Top 5 strategists/tacticians in DC/marvel comics

Title says it all. Characters should be picked because of pure strategist and tactician abilities, nothing to do with resources, or knowledge of science, technology, magic, etc.

My top 5:

1. Deathstroke

2. Doom

3. Captain america

4. Batman

5. Tony stark

@jay_z94:

Is your list according that sequence that you listed? just ask, cuz it makes no sense that DS is at higher place than Doom, and Cap. America is better than Bruce? I meant, Cap is good, but Bruce is better.

Is it human only? Because super intelligent aliens also have strategic knowledge. Just list any omniscient and they're obviously a better tactician than any of these guys.

Lex Luthor should be there as well. His specialty is subtle manipulations and playing people as you would pieces on a game board.

Vandal Savage as well. He personally engineered most major historical events that changed the course of Pre-New 52 DC earth(and even publicly assumed the role of many of it's most notorious and reputed leaders,innovators, movers and shakers).

@Dredeuced said:

Is it human only? Because super intelligent aliens also have strategic knowledge. Just list any omniscient and they're obviously a better tactician than any of these guys.

yeah that's true, i would say no one at or above herald, skyfather, abstract, etc.

@XiiX said:

Lex Luthor should be there as well. His specialty is subtle manipulations and playing people as you would pieces on a game board.

Yes i thought of putting him on instead of tony stark, i wasn't sure who was the better strategist between them.

do you guys have any of your own top 5's you can think off...

Classic Strange, Richards, Doom, Thanos and Batman. Then Pym, Stark, Savage, Loki, Deathstroke or Norman Osborne

@jay_z94: In no particular order, mine would probably be:

1. Lucifer Morningstar

2. Loki

3. Dr. Doom

4. Lex Luthor

5. Deathstroke/Vandal Savage/Batman

1.) Deathstroke

2.) Vandal Savage

3.) Lex/Doom

5.) Batman

Not in order:

Deathstroke

Batman

Dr.Doom

Lex Luthor

Richards/Hank Pym

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

Classic Strange, Richards, Doom, Thanos and Batman. Then Pym, Stark, Savage, Loki, Deathstroke or Norman Osborne

I can't see Reed or strange being a better tactician than deathstroke, although they do trump him in the knowledge of the mystical arts and science, which i said doesn't count towards tactical and strategic ability. Should black panther be on the list?

1. Lucifer

2. Thanos

3. Doom

4. Deathstroke

5.Constantine

1. Constantine

2. Dr. Doom

3. Thanos

4. Reed Richards

5. Batman

Constantine

Everyone else.

Captain owns everyone

I can't believe Black Panther hasn't even been mentioned. And I'm REALLY curious about what Reed has ever done to justify his place on these lists of master planners.

1. John Constantine
2. Batman
3. Captain America

1. Deathstroke
2. Lex Luthor
3. Doom
4. Black Panther
5. Owlman

Doom everyone else is inferior.

Strategy and tactics are quite distinct from one another, even though similar... I don't know every character but I'll give my 2 cents

For top strategists I'd say Doom followed by the likes of Black Panther, Batman, Nick Fury, Thanos...

Tactics is definitely Cap followed by DS and Batman

Tony Stark is a bit iffy. He is an engineer and while he has proven to be competent strategically he's never been much of a natural warrior

Cap

Slade

Cyclops

Canary should at least get a mention here. Not a place. Just a mention.

Tao beats everyone.

@overachiver: Who's Tao? Sorry for my ignorance.

He's only been in a few issues, but I feel Doctor Chaos deserves an honorable mention. He took on the JSA single handedly.

@beatboks1 said:

In terms of pure tactics It's tough to put specific ranking or narrow a top 5 for me. the only ones I'd consider anywhere near being possibly top 5 would be ( in no soecific order) Vril Dox, Doom, Thanos, Ultra Humanite, T'challa, Batman, Vandal Savage and Per Degaton. Not so sure I'd class Constantine as a strategist, great planner yes but he plans usually to avoid fights

What has Per Degaton done? Is he in Kang's league?

Lucifer Morningstar, Tao, Darkseid.

Not sure who would take the last two spots in a top 5. And those are primarily strategists. People like Deathstroke, Captain America, Black Panther, Cyclops, Spider-Man, etc. are far more often shown as great tacticians, than those like Darkseid, Lucifer, etc.

Panther

Batman

Lex Luthor

Captain

Doom

1) Thanos

2) Doom

3) Lex

4) Panther

5) Batman

Now go inside and cast your vote!

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In my opinion, Reed richards, even though he has the greatest scientific mind doesn't belong on this lift. Also i would have thought Deathstroke would be up there more.....

No particular order:
 
Batman
Deathstroke
Doom
Lucifer
Darkseid

@jay_z94: Deathstroke is up there with Batman and Black Panther. Lex Luthor is up there with Doom.

1.Thanos

2.Lucifer

3.Doom

4.Batman

5.Constantine

Thanos

Doom

Batman

Iron-Man

Deathstroke

Excluding Abstracts and other Cosmic Entities, Skyfathers, Extradimensiolan entities and Elder Gods

1. John Constantine

2. Doom

3. Batman

4. Deathstroke

5. Captain America

1.doom

2.doom

3.doom

4.doom

5.doom

1. Dr Doom 2. Loki 3. Batman 4. Cap America 5. Lex Luthor

Loki and Doom are about even actually.