top 5 most cunning characters

Which characters would be in the top 5 strategists. However cunning and wit come into play, not just pure intelligence or knowledge.

i say:
1. batman
2. Lex luthor
3. joker
4. Deathstroke
5. Dr doom

Lex Luther

Joker

Myx

Loki

Not a Battle

Joker deserves top spot.

batman and joker are both cunning in different ways, which makes their "relationship" so interesting

Batman

1. Lex Luthor
2. Dr. Doom
3. Batman
4. The Punisher
5. Joker

and not a battle

I think it is a fallacy that John Constantine hasn't been mentioned. That guy defines cunning in every sense of the word. He's definitely the top of my list for this category.

How has Thanos not been mentioned?

1. Batman
2. Dr. Doom
3. Lex Luthor
4. John Constantine

Aizen.

Add Jack Donaghy

No one has mentioned Emperor Palpatine? There is nothing sweeter then reading/watching the 'Grand Plan' take place.

1.thanos

2.dr doom

3.black Adam

4. Deathstroke

5.loki

Aizen has the ultimate plans/trolling.

1 Dr Doom

2 Thanos

3 Lex Luther

4 Darkseid

5 Batman

Thanos

Dr Doom

Loki

Darkseid

Lex luthor

Joker gets honorable mention due to his sick a$$ mind...lol...

Constantine.. not even a competition

This.

Thanos by a mile. Who else would figure out a way, successfully, to take on the entire universe from Living Tribunal on down?

Thanos

John Constantine

Dr Doom

Lex Luthor

Desaad

Can anybody define cunning? Because if it is what i think it is... Then Doom and Thanos have the top positions.

• Gravel
• Grifter
• Midnighter
• Classic Strange

Seconded. John Constantine should top this list pretty easily.

2. Thanos

3. Lex Luthor

4. Dr. Doom

5. Loki

1.John Constantine

2.Lex Luthor

3.Darkseid

4.Doctor Doom

5.Loki

QFT

People sleep on Palpatine. he had what most of these others lack..... patience and wasn't arrogant.

In no particular order..

Villians-

Deathstroke, thanos, Loki, luthor, Dr.doom

Good guys-

Bats, spidey, cap, stark, ...damian wayne?

Loki

odin

Doc doom

thanos

squirell girl

1. John Constantine

2. Batman

3. Iron Man

4. Lex Luthor

5. Doctor Doom

overall

1. Thanos / Constantine

3. Dr Doom / Ultra Humanite

5. Reed / Stark / Bat's / T'Challa / Querl /Midnighter

11. Vril Dox / Kang / Loki

14. Slade (Deathstroke) / Luthor / Niles Caulder ( Doom Patrol - Chief)

Palpatine easily tops the list he manipulated/outsmarted literally everyone for 20 years. Followed by Loki, doom, Batman, Thanos

1. Ozymandias.

2. Batman/Doctor Doom.

3. Batman/Doctor Doom.

4. Lex Luthor/Black Panther.

5. Lex Luthor/Black Panther.

Edit after 1 year and 10 days now that I'm a little smarter:

1. Constantine

2. Bats

3. Tyrion Lannister

4 and below-don't really know. Or care.

Right. Palpatine held onto power longer then any of these other people.

sidious.

FTW

Morrigan Aensland

Offbeat list -

MODOK

Marvel Athena

Amodeus Cho

Apocalypse

Mephisto

Red Skull, Batman, Norman Osborn, Dr. Doom, Joseph Joestar. No particular order.

Bruce Banner- He easily beat a prepped Doom and even made him a retard while doing it.

Cunning and intelligence are very different.

1. John Constantine

2. Lex Luthor

3. Joker

4. Lucifer Morningstar

5. Batman

I can't think of any Marvel characters that best them.

Bruce was using both.

Aizen-taichou

Palpatine, Thanos, Doom, Loki Constantine.

Thanos #1 easily

John Connn

Loki

Fantomex

idk... probably Lex

1. Joker

2. Loki

3. Dr. Doom

4. Thanos

5. Ultron

John Constantine

Lucifer Morningstar

Tao (Wildstorm)

Lex Luthor

Dr Doom

Spider-Man

Batman

Loki

Kraven

Thanos

Revolver Ocelot.