Top 10 most powerful street-level superheroes. Your opinion(s)?

I wanted to ask what you guys thought was the top ten most powerful comic street-level superheroes were (that still exist)

In a random encounter and with preparation and also just hand to hand. All superheroes at their best.

My opinion:

Random Encounter

1. Cyclops

2. Wolverine

3. Ultimate Captain America

5. Batman

6. Captain America

Preparation Battle

1. Batman (Bruce Wayne)

What do you guys think? ;D

Hand to hand

Iron Fist is one for random encounter.

Batman is the only street leveler here. Street level is peak human, when you can throw a car you ain't street.

@Dextersinister said:

Batman is the only street leveler here. Street level is peak human, when you can throw a car you ain't street.

Spider-man is considered one as well.

Read it up Bro'!

I think streets should scale down the powercreep.

Wolverine and Spider-Man used to be considered "street" on some boards but look at them now.

Also, Captain America and Cassandra Cain Batgirl insult my intelligence. "No powers" my butt.

@MasterM0r0n said:

@Dextersinister said:

Batman is the only street leveler here. Street level is peak human, when you can throw a car you ain't street.

Spider-man is considered one as well.

Read it up Bro'!

Spider-man is above street, either by that older than dirt comic chart or most peoples judgement. How can someone who bends steel and tosses cars with ease be on the same level as Batman, Daredevil or Hawkeye.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: I use to assume Cap had super strength but he seems like a joke when I found out he is merelky suppose to be peak human. Guy take an explosion to the torso in AvsX and was only singed, the strength of his plot armour is laughable.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

I think streets should scale down the powercreep.

Wolverine and Spider-Man used to be considered "street" on some boards but look at them now.

Also, Captain America and Cassandra Cain Batgirl insult my intelligence. "No powers" my butt.

hahahah awesome!

Totally agree.

@Dextersinister said:

Batman is the only street leveler here. Street level is peak human, when you can throw a car you ain't street.

LMMFAO

Let's see... DD & NW are good candidates. As well as Black Canary & GA.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

I think streets should scale down the powercreep.

Wolverine and Spider-Man used to be considered "street" on some boards but look at them now.

Also, Captain America and Cassandra Cain Batgirl insult my intelligence. "No powers" my butt.

Seconded.

Batman is the only street leveler here. Street level is peak human, when you can throw a car you ain't street.

I'd throw in Nightwing, Red Hood, Grifter, Zealot, David Caine, Bullseye

The Rogues trump everything here.

There's probably a few I forgot but these are all that jumped to mind.

Random Encounter:

1. Spider-man/Wolverine/Scarlet Spider

2. Current Venom

3. Ultimate Captain America

4. Batman

5. Ultimate Hawkeye

6. Captain America

7. Cassandra Cain

8. Nightwing/Bucky Barnes

9. Black Canary

10. Red Hood

With Prep:

1. Batman

2. Spider-man

3. Red Hood

4. Tim Drake

5. Nightwing

6. and I draw blank from here

Spiderman is the most powerful street level hero

HE IS BEYOND THE WRITERS CONTROL!

Spiderman>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone.

Spider man, Wolverine, Batman, Blade, NW, DD.....

Still haven't seen anyone on the Rogues level on this Thread. Heatwave, Captain Cold, Trickster, captain boomerang, Piper, Top.

just above street level, i'd run with Spider-man, Captain America, Deathstroke, Wolverine and Hawkman, Luke Cage and the Taskmaster and Deadpool, and the Midnighter. oh, and the maybe the Black Panther for good measure.

on the street level....i gotta tie it with BATMAN and the Punisher and Nick Fury. These 3 guys got planning an ass whooping down to a science, ones breakin bones and puttin yo ass in jail, the other ones breakin bones and put a bullet in yo ass. Next, I gotta go with Iron Fist, Daredevil, Night Wing, Hawkeye, the Grifter, Bullseye, Green Arrow.

this is my list and i'm sticking to it.....PEACE!!

@nickthedevil said:

The Rogues trump everything here.

You're right, I totally forgot about them

maybe Nite-Owl ?

@Luster77: Midnighter is not street level.

To me a street level person is a person who a gang would still be dangerous to. If a room full of soldiers with machine guns is not really a threat, you are not street level.

@Strider92 said:

Random Encounter:

1. Spider-man/Wolverine/Scarlet Spider

2. Current Venom

3. Ultimate Captain America

4. Batman

5. Ultimate Hawkeye

6. Captain America

7. Cassandra Cain

8. Nightwing/Bucky Barnes

9. Black Canary

10. Red Hood

With Prep:

1. Batman

2. Spider-man

3. Red Hood

4. Tim Drake

5. Nightwing

6. and I draw blank from here

This.

@MisterWhisper said:

@Luster77: Midnighter is not street level.

To me a street level person is a person who a gang would still be dangerous to. If a room full of soldiers with machine guns is not really a threat, you are not street level.

So Spider-man wouldn't be street level in your opinion. If you think so, I agree.

sry if this is a stupid question but why are they classified as "street" lvlers

I consider street levelers to be people who who are human, or maybe slightly super human. The kind of people who deal with real world human issues, like drugs, gangs, organized crime, and the occasional super villain.

Example: Daredevil, Captain America, Nightwing, classic Night Thrasher, Punisher, Hawkeye, Black Widow, maybe stretching up far enough to get people like Bane, Bullseye, most of the mentioned street leveler's villains or Batman (in his own comics, not i carry anti-You device in my belt Batgod)

@nickthedevil said:

Still haven't seen anyone on the Rogues level on this Thread. Heatwave, Captain Cold, Trickster, captain boomerang, Piper, Top.

Aren't the rouges beyond street level?They fight the flash so I don't think they qualify. Except maybe captain bommerang but I don't know if he would make the top.

@jashro44 said:

@nickthedevil said:

Still haven't seen anyone on the Rogues level on this Thread. Heatwave, Captain Cold, Trickster, captain boomerang, Piper, Top.

Aren't the rouges beyond street level?They fight the flash so I don't think they qualify. Except maybe captain bommerang but I don't know if he would make the top.

They are part of that 'Grey' Area. Like Karate Kid and Midnighter level.

@nickthedevil said:

@jashro44 said:

@nickthedevil said:

Still haven't seen anyone on the Rogues level on this Thread. Heatwave, Captain Cold, Trickster, captain boomerang, Piper, Top.

Aren't the rouges beyond street level?They fight the flash so I don't think they qualify. Except maybe captain bommerang but I don't know if he would make the top.

They are part of that 'Grey' Area. Like Karate Kid and Midnighter level.

I guess but personally I don't count those people.

@jashro44 said:

@nickthedevil said:

@jashro44 said:

@nickthedevil said:

Still haven't seen anyone on the Rogues level on this Thread. Heatwave, Captain Cold, Trickster, captain boomerang, Piper, Top.

Aren't the rouges beyond street level?They fight the flash so I don't think they qualify. Except maybe captain bommerang but I don't know if he would make the top.

They are part of that 'Grey' Area. Like Karate Kid and Midnighter level.

I guess but personally I don't count those people.

Seeing as how Captain Boomerang's fought the bat's and robins on occasion, I count him. Pied Piper's proven himself above street level, but he fight's common thugs.

@nickthedevil: I agree about captain boomerang but he is the one exception to my knowledge only because of his low showings.

Bloodshot, Grifter, Batman, Chapel, Ult. Hawkeye, Shadowman, Nightman, Gambit. Taskmaster, Black Canary, Cassandra Cain, Richard Dragon, Kraven, Bronze Tiger. Spider-Man, Cap America, Bucky, Crossbones, U.S. Agent, American Eagle.

Based off feats, there are no 'street levelers' in comics really if we're strictly defining it as 'peak human'.

Show me a peak human who reps out with 1000+ pounds on the bench press (to lend one example) and prove me wrong ... right then...

I think 'street level' in the wonderful world of Marvel & DC comprises an amalgamation of power sets and the level upon which the hero fights crime. Do they fight city level threats or even planetary level threats more often than street level threats and do they have the power set to back up the claim? If so, they are not street level.

By that pedigree, Spider-Man, Wolverine and Iron Fist are still considered street levelers. Top tier street levelers, but street levelers nonetheless IMHO.

I understand the confusion and plethora of raised eyebrows over this distinction. If we're to consider peak human as the paradigm of 'street level' then where do we draw the line? Is Gambit not street level because he can blow up a bus? Is DD not street level because his radar sense sees him catching bullets?

I can see folks like Iron Man defending a city versus a city level threat. I can see Thor defending against a planetary level threat. Spider-Man or Wolverine? Not so much ...

@jashro44 said:

@nickthedevil: I agree about captain boomerang but he is the one exception to my knowledge only because of his low showings.

Low showings? The guy solo-ed a dark Jay garrick, beat the holy crap out of Nightwing and humiliated Tim Drake...

@nickthedevil: Is you talking captain boomerang jr. ?

@lilcraig92 said:

@nickthedevil: Is you talking captain boomerang jr. ?

Are

And yes. But Captain Boomerang has beaten the Bat before, and was a decorated member of task force X. the guy ripped heads off with a swipe.

Bloodlusted Black Canary is a candidate... she's been shown to be perfectly able of dodging bullets, and her Canary Cry can damage Amazo, who regularly takes on the JLA. However she never uses it from the start with morals on.

well if you talkin bout jr. He got smash by nightwing but idk bout his pops doe

@nickthedevil said:

@jashro44 said:

@nickthedevil: I agree about captain boomerang but he is the one exception to my knowledge only because of his low showings.

Low showings? The guy solo-ed a dark Jay garrick, beat the holy crap out of Nightwing and humiliated Tim Drake...

I'm not an expert on the character but I have also seen scans of nightwing countering his attacks and he seemed to have an upper hand (Which is the low showing I had in mind I would think a flash villain would wreck nightwing), and tim drake isn't really that great in comparison to many street levelers. Not sure about the dark Jay Garrick feat but is that consistent?

@MasterM0r0n said:

I wanted to ask what you guys thought was the top ten most powerful comic street-level superheroes were (that still exist)

In a random encounter and with preparation. All superheroes at their best.

My opinion:

Random Encounter

1. Venom (Flash Thompson)

2. Spider-man (Peter Parker)

...(still thinking)

Preparation Battle

1. Batman (Bruce Wayne)

2. Spider-man (Peter Parker)

....(still thinking LOL)

What do you guys think? ;D

Venom & Spider-Man are not Street Levelers.

@ImmortalOne said:

Bloodlusted Black Canary is a candidate... she's been shown to be perfectly able of dodging bullets, and her Canary Cry can damage Amazo, who regularly takes on the JLA. However she never uses it from the start with morals on.

I agree, BL or not she's definetely up there. Though it's her Canary scream that puts her at the top perhaps. Her skill is incredible, but not the best.

I kind of have a soft spot for The Shroud. Can summon absolute darkness which dove tails nicely with his blind Daredevil-like radar (can see through solid walls, unlike Daredevil, but can't read newsprint like Daredevil can). Olympic level athlete with martial arts skill.

I think 'street level' in the wonderful world of Marvel & DC comprises an amalgamation of power sets and the level upon which the hero fights crime. Do they fight city level threats or even planetary level threats more often than street level threats and do they have the power set to back up the claim? If so, they are not street level.

By that pedigree, Spider-Man, Wolverine and Iron Fist are still considered street levelers. Top tier street levelers, but street levelers nonetheless IMHO.

I can see folks like Iron Man defending a city versus a city level threat. I can see Thor defending against a planetary level threat. Spider-Man or Wolverine? Not so much ...

@MisterWhisper said:

To me a street level person is a person who a gang would still be dangerous to. If a room full of soldiers with machine guns is not really a threat, you are not street level.

To be fair, neither of those are danger to anyone in comics

@Yai_Inn said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

I think 'street level' in the wonderful world of Marvel & DC comprises an amalgamation of power sets and the level upon which the hero fights crime. Do they fight city level threats or even planetary level threats more often than street level threats and do they have the power set to back up the claim? If so, they are not street level.

By that pedigree, Spider-Man, Wolverine and Iron Fist are still considered street levelers. Top tier street levelers, but street levelers nonetheless IMHO.

I can see folks like Iron Man defending a city versus a city level threat. I can see Thor defending against a planetary level threat. Spider-Man or Wolverine? Not so much ...

But by that logic where do you rank the rogues of Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Iron Fist? Venom, Sandman, Goblins, Mysterio, Electro, Daken, Omega Red, and the Immortal Weapons? Without plot device these guys are wrecking most 'street levelers' who have been mentioned thus far.

By what logic? Nothing you said contradicts or puts to question anything I wrote.

Do you see any of the antagonists as team level threats? Can any of them bring a city to its knees? Of those mentioned, only Sandman could feasibly wreak city wide destruction ... but he's too dumb to tie his own shoe laces. Realistically, Spider-Man has no business beating someone of Sandman's power pedigree. He does so by outsmarting him (or Sandman just being dumb as a stump) and / or via help from plot. Does someone being more 'wily' than another and thereby beating them make them just as powerful? Same can be said of skill, intellect, martial ability ...

Colossus or the Thing, for example, while lacking the chops to take out most A-Teams, have the brute force to topple a city over time should they choose to. As such, I wouldn't label them as 'street level'. That said, I wouldn't bet against Wolverine, possibly Iron Fist and even possibly Spider-Man (with a little help from tech and plot), being able to put them down. ABC logic does not, however, likewise make them capable of citywide destruction (EDIT: although Iron Fist dropping a hellicarrier with a punch makes him very borderline I believe) ... So just because a street leveler can take down someone more powerful than them on paper doesn't make them just as powerful nor is it a sign that they share the same pedigree 'power-wise'.

Intellect, planning, skill, martial prowess, tech, equipment, weapons ... these are all elements that factor in when seeing 'street levelers' take out adversaries that are more powerful than they are on paper. That's what make street levelers so appealing IMHO.

@Dextersinister said:

@MasterM0r0n said:

@Dextersinister said:

Batman is the only street leveler here. Street level is peak human, when you can throw a car you ain't street.

Spider-man is considered one as well.

Read it up Bro'!

Spider-man is above street, either by that older than dirt comic chart or most peoples judgement. How can someone who bends steel and tosses cars with ease be on the same level as Batman, Daredevil or Hawkeye.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: I use to assume Cap had super strength but he seems like a joke when I found out he is merelky suppose to be peak human. Guy take an explosion to the torso in AvsX and was only singed, the strength of his plot armour is laughable.

Agree

I've had more than one Cap fan tell me he's meant to be at some amped level, but he's officially at "peak human" in stats.

This is Steve's official power grid. Notice the high discrepancy between his actual stats and the stats that fans voted him as being. For reference, a six on the strength scale is up to but not over 100 tons. This puts him on the same level as the Thing.

What I am most baffled at, though, is him having a four in energy projection. What?

ANYWAY.

The term street leveler is too loosely defined. The DC street leveler tournament on this battle forum had participants like Grace Choi (100+ strength) and it's just... I don't know. To top it off, it had Grace Choi losing to Wildcat. Like, really?

Psylocke is a street-leveler by stats. Does she belong here? Who knows?

@Yai_Inn: I'm not sure rouges count as the OP says "Superheroes" but current Venom is a lot weaker now and perfectly beatable, Daken can as has been beaten (by Spider-man and Wolverine), most of the goblins lack the experience to beat people like Logan (except for Norman and Urich due to his tech), Mysterio isn't really a huge threat, Sandman does have VERY big potential and people like Spider-man beating him is plot convenience (unless he has prep), Electro is like Sandman except he's held back by his intelligence rather than a plot device.

The reason these guys lose is because the hero generally goes up against them realizes he can't win and comes up with a plan (intelligence and skill is also a big factor in the fights not just ability) but out of your list the only people that applies to is Sandman, Electro and Omega Red. The rest are perfectly beatable by a high tier street leveler in a random encounter.

@Yai_Inn said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

I think 'street level' in the wonderful world of Marvel & DC comprises an amalgamation of power sets and the level upon which the hero fights crime. Do they fight city level threats or even planetary level threats more often than street level threats and do they have the power set to back up the claim? If so, they are not street level.

By that pedigree, Spider-Man, Wolverine and Iron Fist are still considered street levelers. Top tier street levelers, but street levelers nonetheless IMHO.

I can see folks like Iron Man defending a city versus a city level threat. I can see Thor defending against a planetary level threat. Spider-Man or Wolverine? Not so much ...

But by that logic where do you rank the rogues of Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Iron Fist? Venom, Sandman, Goblins, Mysterio, Electro, Daken, Omega Red, and the Immortal Weapons? Without plot device these guys are wrecking most 'street levelers' who have been mentioned thus far.

By what logic? Nothing you said contradicts or puts to question anything I wrote.

Do you see any of the antagonists as team level threats? Can any of them bring a city to its knees? Of those mentioned, only Sandman could feasibly wreak city wide destruction ... but he's too dumb to tie his own shoe laces. Realistically, Spider-Man has no business beating someone of Sandman's power pedigree. He does so by outsmarting him (or Sandman just being dumb as a stump) and / or via help from plot. Does someone being more 'wily' than another and thereby beating them make them just as powerful? Same can be said of skill, intellect, martial ability ...

Colossus or the Thing, for example, while lacking the chops to take out most A-Teams, have the brute force to topple a city over time should they choose to. As such, I wouldn't label them as 'street level'. That said, I wouldn't bet against Wolverine, possibly Iron Fist and even possibly Spider-Man (with a little help from tech and plot), being able to put them down. ABC logic does not, however, likewise make them capable of citywide destruction (EDIT: although Iron Fist dropping a hellicarrier with a punch makes him very borderline I believe) ... So just because a street leveler can take down someone more powerful than them on paper doesn't make them just as powerful nor is it a sign that they share the same pedigree 'power-wise'.

Intellect, planning, skill, martial prowess, tech, equipment, weapons ... these are all elements that factor in when seeing 'street levelers' take out adversaries that are more powerful than they are on paper. That's what make street levelers so appealing IMHO.

@Yai_Inn: I'm not sure rouges count as the OP says "Superheroes" but current Venom is a lot weaker now and perfectly beatable, Daken can as has been beaten (by Spider-man and Wolverine), most of the goblins lack the experience to beat people like Logan (except for Norman and Urich due to his tech), Mysterio isn't really a huge threat, Sandman does have VERY big potential and people like Spider-man beating him is plot convenience (unless he has prep), Electro is like Sandman except he's held back by his intelligence rather than a plot device.

The reason these guys lose is because the hero generally goes up against them realizes he can't win and comes up with a plan (intelligence and skill is also a big factor in the fights not just ability) but out of your list the only people that applies to is Sandman, Electro and Omega Red. The rest are perfectly beatable by a high tier street leveler in a random encounter.

hmmmm. how about Shang Chi? My official vote is Daredevil though..............

@Yai_Inn: Oh I agree 100% that Superheros are protected by plot armor. For example there is absolutely no way for Spider-man to beat Sandman without prep or PIS. Simple as that.

The thing with alternate realities is they can literally be played however the writer wants. The Mysterio in that time is probably much better with prep than the one in that reality.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

I think streets should scale down the powercreep.

Wolverine and Spider-Man used to be considered "street" on some boards but look at them now.

Also, Captain America and Cassandra Cain Batgirl insult my intelligence. "No powers" my butt.

I probably shouldn't mention Deathstroke woops..