Who wins?
Damn no replies? I wanna go with the Transporter. Not gonna lie, Ting was damn near unstoppable, but so was Frank Martin. Greater agilty? That's a debatable. Considering Frank leaped outta the way of two cars heading at a modrate speed in a head on collision. Strength? Also debatable and their damage soak should be the same. Both were trained to be soildiers/fighters, but the combat training that Frank Martin has should close any gaps. I'll gibe it to Frankie 8/10.
@Guardiandevil83: I have to agree with you, in that it is a complete debate as to who is more agile. With Frank Martin leaping between cars, skating on oil and wrecking people; and Ting with his running up walls, his insane jump kicks and ground techniques, its a complete toss up. Its a tie in agility.
I also have to say that strength goes to Frank Martin. He is clearly the stronger of the two individuals. His ability to physically overpower enemies larger than him proves this. Ting's ability to grapple and throw men off-balance was due to finess, and not necessarily strength. Ting was very strong for his size, but so was Frank, and since Frank is clearly the larger, he is stronger.
Another tie would have to go to their determination or unstopability (thats a word, right?). Neither show the slightest signs of weariness, just varying degrees of gall. They both took immense amount of damage, and were able to fight through it.
But, I have to disagree as to who is more skilled/trained as a fighter. I do not think that it is equal. Frank Martin was a very well trained X-military martial-artist. That scene when he fights the gang while hampered by an oil slick was flippin awesome; however, In Ong Bak 2, in the greatest 2 minutes of fight coreography I have ever seen, Ting fought 2 assailants using 2 different styles of fighting (Wing Chunn and Tiger Claw). In that scene he was able to adjust his technique and simultaneously use both of their styles against them. Now, that being said, Frank Martin is one of the most entertaining fighters i have seen on film, but did not see him display the same quality of technique that Ting (Tony Jaa) had in Ong Bak 2. And, I think, Ting's ability to change and alter his style, mid fight, is what makes him a more potent martial-artist, in terms of skill/training.
As to who would win.......5/10 tie, or 6/10 to Ting! In my oppinion anyway.
But, I'd like to think they dont fight, and rather star as a new duo in crime fighting. That would be an epic team-up for today's martial-arts in cinema.
MORE PEOLE NEED TO RESPOND ON THIS THREAD...GREAT BATTLE!!!!!!!!!!
@nerdork said:
@Guardiandevil83: I have to agree with you, in that it is a complete debate as to who is more agile. With Frank Martin leaping between cars, skating on oil and wrecking people; and Ting with his running up walls, his insane jump kicks and ground techniques, its a complete toss up. Its a tie in agility.
I also have to say that strength goes to Frank Martin. He is clearly the stronger of the two individuals. His ability to physically overpower enemies larger than him proves this. Ting's ability to grapple and throw men off-balance was due to finess, and not necessarily strength. Ting was very strong for his size, but so was Frank, and since Frank is clearly the larger, he is stronger.
Another tie would have to go to their determination or unstopability (thats a word, right?). Neither show the slightest signs of weariness, just varying degrees of gall. They both took immense amount of damage, and were able to fight through it.
But, I have to disagree as to who is more skilled/trained as a fighter. I do not think that it is equal. Frank Martin was a very well trained X-military martial-artist. That scene when he fights the gang while hampered by an oil slick was flippin awesome; however, In Ong Bak 2, in the greatest 2 minutes of fight coreography I have ever seen, Ting fought 2 assailants using 2 different styles of fighting (Wing Chunn and Tiger Claw). In that scene he was able to adjust his technique and simultaneously use both of their styles against them. Now, that being said, Frank Martin is one of the most entertaining fighters i have seen on film, but did not see him display the same quality of technique that Ting (Tony Jaa) had in Ong Bak 2. And, I think, Ting's ability to change and alter his style, mid fight, is what makes him a more potent martial-artist, in terms of skill/training.
As to who would win.......5/10 tie, or 6/10 to Ting! In my oppinion anyway.
But, I'd like to think they dont fight, and rather star as a new duo in crime fighting. That would be an epic team-up for today's martial-arts in cinema.
MORE PEOLE NEED TO RESPOND ON THIS THREAD...GREAT BATTLE!!!!!!!!!!
Wait. Wasn't OB2 a prequel? That would mean that Ting's ancestor was more skilled then Frank and not Ting himself. But Ting did show the ability to adapt to his enimes fighting styles. So you may be correct. I agree that this fight would be epic! Oh and your right about the team-up. Did you see Expendables, when there is this scene of JS and Jet just going ham on these soildiers. SIIIICK!! If Jason dosen't get a crack at Van Damm i'll be so pissed.
@k4tzm4n said:
It's all about the flying knees, man!
If he was his character from the Protector...then Frank would be dead.
@Guardiandevil83 said:
@k4tzm4n said:
It's all about the flying knees, man!
If he was his character from the Protector...then Frank would be dead.
Yeah, I just felt obligated to say that. To be honest, I haven't seen Ong or Transporter in years.
@Guardiandevil83: DUDE! I hope, with every fiber of my being, that Jason and Jean get it on...uh fight, i mean.
Yes, you are correct, again. Ting was in Ong Bak 1, I dont know what his ancestor's name was.
@k4tzm4n: Oh man! Those knees and elbows are dangerous and deadly. I love it when he runs up to an enemy and plants a foot on their thigh to propell himself up, then, using his upward momentum, brings his knee straight up into the guys chin, sending him flying far far away.
Oh, on another note. Did you guys see Ong Bak 3? I thought i was way lame, in comparison to the first 2. Especially compared to the 2nd one. Those movies, for me, were about the new fighting style Tony Jaa, kind of, creates for each film he is in. Ong Bak was a Muai Thai style, Ong Bak 2 had more Wing Chunna and other Kung Fu styles, Ong Bak 3 was some kind of lame ballet dance-fighting. And i dont mean Capoeira, i mean gracefully swaying in the wind, kind of dancing. Just was not impressive.
@nerdork said:
@Guardiandevil83: DUDE! I hope, with every fiber of my being, that Jason and Jean get it on...uh fight, i mean.
Yes, you are correct, again. Ting was in Ong Bak 1, I dont know what his ancestor's name was.
@k4tzm4n: Oh man! Those knees and elbows are dangerous and deadly. I love it when he runs up to an enemy and plants a foot on their thigh to propell himself up, then, using his upward momentum, brings his knee straight up into the guys chin, sending him flying far far away.
Oh, on another note. Did you guys see Ong Bak 3? I thought i was way lame, in comparison to the first 2. Especially compared to the 2nd one. Those movies, for me, were about the new fighting style Tony Jaa, kind of, creates for each film he is in. Ong Bak was a Muai Thai style, Ong Bak 2 had more Wing Chunna and other Kung Fu styles, Ong Bak 3 was some kind of lame ballet dance-fighting. And i dont mean Capoeira, i mean gracefully swaying in the wind, kind of dancing. Just was not impressive.
Yea Tings ancestor would walk all over Frank. That dude was thrown into a pit of Crocs as a youngster and survived. Who knows what Frank was like as a kid. Tings ancestor was a freaking force of nature though. lol
@Guardiandevil83: Im pretty sure that Ting's ancestor wasnt a real personal at all, but a martial-arts terminator sent back through time by Skynet to stop the rise of Muai Thai from taking over the world by beating all of its skilled fighters to a pulp.
@P0rtal: That WOULD be a great fight! But i have to give it to Chev Chelios, i dont want to, but i have to. His raw, unrelenting determination, driven by a desperation that cannot be compared would push him to feats that, even, Frank Martin could not match. 8/10 to Chev... maybe 7/10.
@WaveMotionCannon said:
Tony Jaa 7/10. Just too brutal
@nerdork said:
@Guardiandevil83: DUDE! I hope, with every fiber of my being, that Jason and Jean get it on...uh fight, i mean.
Yes, you are correct, again. Ting was in Ong Bak 1, I dont know what his ancestor's name was.
@k4tzm4n: Oh man! Those knees and elbows are dangerous and deadly. I love it when he runs up to an enemy and plants a foot on their thigh to propell himself up, then, using his upward momentum, brings his knee straight up into the guys chin, sending him flying far far away.
Oh, on another note. Did you guys see Ong Bak 3? I thought i was way lame, in comparison to the first 2. Especially compared to the 2nd one. Those movies, for me, were about the new fighting style Tony Jaa, kind of, creates for each film he is in. Ong Bak was a Muai Thai style, Ong Bak 2 had more Wing Chunna and other Kung Fu styles, Ong Bak 3 was some kind of lame ballet dance-fighting. And i dont mean Capoeira, i mean gracefully swaying in the wind, kind of dancing. Just was not impressive.
Didn't see it..but did hear that it sucked.
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