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#1 Posted by RadiantTheLight (1798 posts) - - Show Bio
    
 
VS 
 
    
 
 
A guy in Youtube told me that PR Beyonder is stronger than TOAA, I dont agree... but just to be sure I made this...
#2 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate

#3 Edited by Sexy Merc (42066 posts) - - Show Bio

People are going to have their own opinions about this. TOAA, The Presence and MoM to me are the strongest beings in comics, but the closest one to them is PR Beyonder. I still think they are above him, but it's how you interpret it.

#4 Posted by RadiantTheLight (1798 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc said:
"People are going to have their own opinions about this. TOAA, The Presence and MoM to me are the strongest beings in comics, but the closest ones to them are PR Beyonder. I still think they are above him, but it's how you interpret it. "

Who's MoM? Seriously I dont know... sry.
#5 Posted by Dark Zoom (2333 posts) - - Show Bio

why...just why?,TOAA

#7 Posted by Sexy Merc (42066 posts) - - Show Bio
@RadiantTheLight: Man of Miracles, look him up on the search engine.
#8 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio
The One Above All
I don't care what they say.
"God" is God.
Anything else is below it.
#9 Edited by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio

TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. 
 
One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding.

#10 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:
" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "
There you go. It's decided.
#11 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:
" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "
That was never stated!!!!  PR Beyonder in his original incarnation was equal to TOAA because he was supposed to be the Supreme Being of his own Megaverse.
#12 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tevnoba said:
" @Voidheart said:
" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "
That was never stated!!!!  PR Beyonder in his original incarnation was equal to TOAA because he was supposed to be the Supreme Being of his own Megaverse. "
Beyonder stated it himself my friend
#13 Posted by Waffle Fries (884 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:
" @Tevnoba said:
" @Voidheart said:
" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "
That was never stated!!!!  PR Beyonder in his original incarnation was equal to TOAA because he was supposed to be the Supreme Being of his own Megaverse. "
Beyonder stated it himself my friend "
 
I literally just read Secret Wars 1@ 2 and I don't remember him saying that. He is the TOAA from his reality and when he was in the 616 universe he was able to do whatever he wanted. The entire pantheon of cosmic beings were like ants to him.
#14 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

TOAA

#15 Edited by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:

" @Tevnoba said:

" @Voidheart said:
" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "
That was never stated!!!!  PR Beyonder in his original incarnation was equal to TOAA because he was supposed to be the Supreme Being of his own Megaverse. "
Beyonder stated it himself my friend "
He never stated that he was in control of everything except 616.  He did state that he was millions of times more powerful than the ENTIRE MULTIVERSE.
#16 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tevnoba: 
 
 
"  (Fantastic Four I#319 (fb) - BTS / Captain America Annual#7 (fb) - BTS / Captain America Annual#7 / Tales of Suspense I#79) - From within a pocket realm adjacent to the Negative Zone, the Beyonders created several discrete packets of reality-altering energy contained within other pocket realms. These realms were accessed by people of the Earth dimension, such as the Skrulls, who contained the energy within a cube of force, creating a Cosmic Cube, which eventually evolved into the Shaper of Worlds. Another packet was accessed on Earth by the scientists of AIM, who also formed a Cosmic Cube; this version eventually became Kubik. "
 
Creation of the other earth's Beside 616
 
" When Owen Reece had the accident that turned him into the Molecule Man, it opened a pinhole into a sentient realm that held the powers of a gestating incomplete Cosmic Cube, placed there by the enigmatic Beyonders. He received part of the powers of that force, and the realm became aware of the universe beyond itself.  "
 
 
Anything aside from 616 Is the beyonder. Anything including 616 is TOAA. 
 
TOAA > Beyonder. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

#18 Posted by lagoon_boy (10951 posts) - - Show Bio
Stalemate.
#19 Edited by God Damn Batman (19 posts) - - Show Bio

   The God Damn Batman is at a loss for God Damn Words.
#20 Edited by lagoon_boy (10951 posts) - - Show Bio
@God Damn Batman:  And Why is that?
#21 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:
" @Tevnoba: 
 
 
"  (Fantastic Four I#319 (fb) - BTS / Captain America Annual#7 (fb) - BTS / Captain America Annual#7 / Tales of Suspense I#79) - From within a pocket realm adjacent to the Negative Zone, the Beyonders created several discrete packets of reality-altering energy contained within other pocket realms. These realms were accessed by people of the Earth dimension, such as the Skrulls, who contained the energy within a cube of force, creating a Cosmic Cube, which eventually evolved into the Shaper of Worlds. Another packet was accessed on Earth by the scientists of AIM, who also formed a Cosmic Cube; this version eventually became Kubik. "
 
Creation of the other earth's Beside 616
 
" When Owen Reece had the accident that turned him into the Molecule Man, it opened a pinhole into a sentient realm that held the powers of a gestating incomplete Cosmic Cube, placed there by the enigmatic Beyonders. He received part of the powers of that force, and the realm became aware of the universe beyond itself.  "  Anything aside from 616 Is the beyonder. Anything including 616 is TOAA.   TOAA > Beyonder.                 "
This is your logic????  Your mixing two different continuities together to make an explanation.  I'll get back to this in a bit.
#22 Posted by MKF30 (11635 posts) - - Show Bio

TTOA

#23 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

 @Voidheart
ok now for your "argument" . . .
#1 the comics you've listed are part of the first RETCON of the Beyonder and not the Beyonder from Secret Wars I & II, which is what this is about.
#2 the Multiverse of alternate earths was not created by the Beyonders or their actions, they were actually the results of Mephistos actions (at least in one arc), but otherwise have always existed.
#3 the 616 universe of Marvel is the most prevalent reality because most stories are written there, but it is not above any of the other alternate realities as they are all equal.  It is just the base for comparison of other realities because it was the first written about.
 
There are 3 sotries of the Beyonder (2 retocns).
 
Beyonder #1:  He was written to explain the possibilities of other Supreme Begins of other Megaverses.  He was supposed to be the Supreme Begin of his own Megaverse that had not yet been created. The events of Secret Wars I & II are completely valid and part of the 616 universe (where the events mainly took place).  This is the Beyonder the OP is talking about.
 
Beyonder #2 (retcon #1): He was an incomplete cosmic cube and the events of Secret Wars I & II were only his imagination.   This where you comic evidence is coming from.
 
Beyonder #3 (retcon #2): He is now a Mutant Inhuman of nigh Omnipotent power.  The events of Secret Wars I & II still happened in the 616 universe, but the Beyonder is not supposed to be the Supreme Being of his own Megaverse.
 
Beyonder #1 = TOAA, Beyonder #2 <<<<<<<<<<<TOAA, Beyonder #3 <<<< TOAA.

#24 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supreme Marvel said:
" The One Above All I don't care what they say. "God" is God. Anything else is below it. "
This.
#25 Posted by JediXMan (29242 posts) - - Show Bio

The One Above All should be above the Beyonder.

#26 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" The One Above All should be above the Beyonder. "
That would make sense. It's not THE ONE ABOVE ALL EXCEPT ONE.
#27 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio

Toaa

#28 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @Supreme Marvel said:
" The One Above All I don't care what they say. "God" is God. Anything else is below it. "
This. "
Except when you are comparing 2 different Supreme Beings (i.e. TOAA, the Presence, MoM), then it is a stalemate.  The original Beyonder was supposed to be just that a Supreme Being of his own Megaverse.  Are you trying to say that TOAA is superior to the Presence or MoM?
#29 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tevnoba said:

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @Supreme Marvel said:

" The One Above All I don't care what they say. "God" is God. Anything else is below it. "
This. "
Except when you are comparing 2 different Supreme Beings (i.e. TOAA, the Presence, MoM), then it is a stalemate.  The original Beyonder was supposed to be just that a Supreme Being of his own Megaverse.  Are you trying to say that TOAA is superior to the Presence or MoM? "
They're from different companies aren't they? I don't know who MoM is, but I'm assuming he's Image's Yahweh. Anyway, they all represent Yahweh, so they're all the same. I don't really get what you're trying to say here....
 
Ok, now I do. Sorry about that. I think it's kind of odd to have multiple megaverses stemming from a single source, in this case; Marvel Comics, because a megaverse holds all, otherwise, it's not a megaverse. Meaning that the Beyonder's omniverse must be a part of the One Above All's omniverse, meaning that, as he is God, the One Above All is superior. That's how I understand it anyway.
#30 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tevnoba said:
"  @Voidheart   Beyonder #1:  He was written to explain the possibilities of other Supreme Begins of other Megaverses
thats all i needed
#31 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio

Plus why do you think he is called the beyonder, it's because He#s not from there.
 

#32 Posted by Dark Zoom (2333 posts) - - Show Bio

TOAA

#33 Posted by Death From Above (867 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre retcon beyonder 
 
 
 
because he actually has feats =/
#34 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio
@Death From Above: Everything you see in the MU is a feat of TOAA
#35 Posted by Death From Above (867 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:
" @Death From Above: Everything you see in the MU is a feat of TOAA "

and wheres the scan of that
#36 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tevnoba said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @Supreme Marvel said:
" The One Above All I don't care what they say. "God" is God. Anything else is below it. "
This. "
Except when you are comparing 2 different Supreme Beings (i.e. TOAA, the Presence, MoM), then it is a stalemate.  The original Beyonder was supposed to be just that a Supreme Being of his own Megaverse.  Are you trying to say that TOAA is superior to the Presence or MoM? "
I'm saying in the Marvel universe no one is more powerful than The One Above All. Same goes for DC's Presence.
#37 Posted by gobstakid777 (1815 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm saying Stalemate

#38 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio
@Death From Above said:
" @Voidheart said:
" @Death From Above: Everything you see in the MU is a feat of TOAA "
and wheres the scan of that "
you really need a scan of the Creator.... Creating?
#39 Posted by Death From Above (867 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:
" @Death From Above said:
" @Voidheart said:
" @Death From Above: Everything you see in the MU is a feat of TOAA "
and wheres the scan of that "
you really need a scan of the Creator.... Creating?"


i really needs some scans of some guy saying toaa is the creator...creating 

meh im bored of this already 

toaa wins with his zero feats

#40 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio
@Death From Above:
Hows about stan lee. Need feats of him?
#41 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio
  @Death From Above: 

Are you dense, are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think he is? He's the god damn The One Above All!

 
Not...   
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @JediXMan said:

" The One Above All should be above the Beyonder. "

That would make sense. It's not THE ONE ABOVE ALL EXCEPT ONE. "
#42 Posted by Death From Above (867 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart said:
" @Death From Above: Hows about stan lee. Need feats of him?"

no 
 
he was in mallrats so he's good.........for now 
 
  
  
#43 Edited by Death From Above (867 posts) - - Show Bio

@Supreme Marvel:
no i'm death from above...duh =/ 

You know what...now im called....the one above all who is above all...so now me>>>the one above all =/

#44 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio
@Death From Above:
Death doesnt apply to something that is undying, therefore that nullifies eachother.
#45 Posted by Death From Above (867 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart:
2+2 = 4
#46 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio

Ha but the way you put it
 
Death From above > The One above all
+1 alive / -1 dead
One above all = 0 
Death from above > The one above all / death
 from above > The one above all / from above
= The One.

#47 Edited by Death From Above (867 posts) - - Show Bio

Death from above >Yoda > the one above all >Neo
#48 Posted by warlock360 (27909 posts) - - Show Bio

0
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celullar seperation .... head asplode.

#49 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio

stalemate

#50 Posted by SilverGalford (3258 posts) - - Show Bio

the One Above All  hands down
he is above pre retcon beyonder
and he is the writer
 
he  wins.