TOAA vs Pre Retcon Beyonder

Stalemate

People are going to have their own opinions about this. TOAA, The Presence and MoM to me are the strongest beings in comics, but the closest one to them is PR Beyonder. I still think they are above him, but it's how you interpret it.

"People are going to have their own opinions about this. TOAA, The Presence and MoM to me are the strongest beings in comics, but the closest ones to them are PR Beyonder. I still think they are above him, but it's how you interpret it. "

why...just why?,TOAA

TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. 
 
One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding.

" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "

" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "

" @Voidheart said:

" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "

That was never stated!!!!  PR Beyonder in his original incarnation was equal to TOAA because he was supposed to be the Supreme Being of his own Megaverse. "

" @Tevnoba said:

" @Voidheart said:

" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "

That was never stated!!!!  PR Beyonder in his original incarnation was equal to TOAA because he was supposed to be the Supreme Being of his own Megaverse. "

Beyonder stated it himself my friend "

TOAA

" @Tevnoba said:

" @Voidheart said:

" TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616.   One Universe of a difference. And yet, deciding. "

That was never stated!!!!  PR Beyonder in his original incarnation was equal to TOAA because he was supposed to be the Supreme Being of his own Megaverse. "

Beyonder stated it himself my friend "

"  http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/pre-retcon-beyonder-vs-toaa/406042/ "

" @Tevnoba: 
 
 
"  (Fantastic Four I#319 (fb) - BTS / Captain America Annual#7 (fb) - BTS / Captain America Annual#7 / Tales of Suspense I#79) - From within a pocket realm adjacent to the Negative Zone, the Beyonders created several discrete packets of reality-altering energy contained within other pocket realms. These realms were accessed by people of the Earth dimension, such as the Skrulls, who contained the energy within a cube of force, creating a Cosmic Cube, which eventually evolved into the Shaper of Worlds. Another packet was accessed on Earth by the scientists of AIM, who also formed a Cosmic Cube; this version eventually became Kubik. "
 
Creation of the other earth's Beside 616
 
" When Owen Reece had the accident that turned him into the Molecule Man, it opened a pinhole into a sentient realm that held the powers of a gestating incomplete Cosmic Cube, placed there by the enigmatic Beyonders. He received part of the powers of that force, and the realm became aware of the universe beyond itself.  "  Anything aside from 616 Is the beyonder. Anything including 616 is TOAA.   TOAA > Beyonder.                 "

TTOA

 @Voidheart
ok now for your "argument" . . .
#1 the comics you've listed are part of the first RETCON of the Beyonder and not the Beyonder from Secret Wars I & II, which is what this is about.
#2 the Multiverse of alternate earths was not created by the Beyonders or their actions, they were actually the results of Mephistos actions (at least in one arc), but otherwise have always existed.
#3 the 616 universe of Marvel is the most prevalent reality because most stories are written there, but it is not above any of the other alternate realities as they are all equal.  It is just the base for comparison of other realities because it was the first written about.
 
There are 3 sotries of the Beyonder (2 retocns).
 
Beyonder #1:  He was written to explain the possibilities of other Supreme Begins of other Megaverses.  He was supposed to be the Supreme Begin of his own Megaverse that had not yet been created. The events of Secret Wars I & II are completely valid and part of the 616 universe (where the events mainly took place).  This is the Beyonder the OP is talking about.
 
Beyonder #2 (retcon #1): He was an incomplete cosmic cube and the events of Secret Wars I & II were only his imagination.   This where you comic evidence is coming from.
 
Beyonder #3 (retcon #2): He is now a Mutant Inhuman of nigh Omnipotent power.  The events of Secret Wars I & II still happened in the 616 universe, but the Beyonder is not supposed to be the Supreme Being of his own Megaverse.
 
Beyonder #1 = TOAA, Beyonder #2 <<<<<<<<<<<TOAA, Beyonder #3 <<<< TOAA.

" The One Above All I don't care what they say. "God" is God. Anything else is below it. "

The One Above All should be above the Beyonder.

" The One Above All should be above the Beyonder. "

Toaa

" @Supreme Marvel said:

" The One Above All I don't care what they say. "God" is God. Anything else is below it. "

This. "

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @Supreme Marvel said:

" The One Above All I don't care what they say. "God" is God. Anything else is below it. "

This. "

Except when you are comparing 2 different Supreme Beings (i.e. TOAA, the Presence, MoM), then it is a stalemate.  The original Beyonder was supposed to be just that a Supreme Being of his own Megaverse.  Are you trying to say that TOAA is superior to the Presence or MoM? "

"  @Voidheart   Beyonder #1:  He was written to explain the possibilities of other Supreme Begins of other Megaverses. 

Plus why do you think he is called the beyonder, it's because He#s not from there.
 

TOAA

" @Death From Above: Everything you see in the MU is a feat of TOAA "

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @Supreme Marvel said:

" The One Above All I don't care what they say. "God" is God. Anything else is below it. "

This. "

Except when you are comparing 2 different Supreme Beings (i.e. TOAA, the Presence, MoM), then it is a stalemate.  The original Beyonder was supposed to be just that a Supreme Being of his own Megaverse.  Are you trying to say that TOAA is superior to the Presence or MoM? "

I'm saying Stalemate

" @Voidheart said:

" @Death From Above: Everything you see in the MU is a feat of TOAA "

and wheres the scan of that "

" @Death From Above said:

" @Voidheart said:

" @Death From Above: Everything you see in the MU is a feat of TOAA "

and wheres the scan of that "

you really need a scan of the Creator.... Creating?"

i really needs some scans of some guy saying toaa is the creator...creating 

meh im bored of this already 

toaa wins with his zero feats

Are you dense, are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think he is? He's the god damn The One Above All!

" @JediXMan said:

" The One Above All should be above the Beyonder. "

That would make sense. It's not THE ONE ABOVE ALL EXCEPT ONE. "

" @Death From Above: Hows about stan lee. Need feats of him?"

@Supreme Marvel:
no i'm death from above...duh =/ 

You know what...now im called....the one above all who is above all...so now me>>>the one above all =/

Ha but the way you put it
 
Death From above > The One above all
+1 alive / -1 dead
One above all = 0 
Death from above > The one above all / death
 from above > The one above all / from above
= The One.

0
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celullar seperation .... head asplode.

stalemate

the One Above All  hands down
he is above pre retcon beyonder
and he is the writer
 
he  wins.