Tim Drake vs Hawkeye

New 52 red robin, current 616 Hawkeye, full gear for both, no prep, morals on. Start 50 feet away in a park in Gotham with cover and trees around. Fight to death or KO.

Hawkeye.

Hawkeye with a little trouble.

No one has faith in tim?

Francis

Tim has fighting skill equal to or greater than Hawkeye's and can use stealth or a gadget to limit Clint's ability to see him or target him with his arrows.

Clint

@dondave: Huh?

Anyways...umm, I think I'd go with Tim. Clint's been having trouble fighting the track suit bros which are total fodder enemies for Tim.

@jaken7 Clint's middle name is Francis

Tim has a chance. His fighting skills are on par with Clint but Hawkeyes Marksmanship may keep Drake at a Distance. Tim's Gadgets may be able to counter Hawkeye's Arrows and eventually maybe he can beat Hawkeye at his own game and stall while dodging his arrows and leaving Hawkeye out of arrows and Tim out of Gadgets. Then maybe Tim can out doe Clint up close winning the match for him.

@dondave: Umm...ok? Do you also call Tim "Jackson?" I've seen you do this before, why do you call them by names that they don't go by?

I think the tone of Hawkeye's current book makes it inappropriate to use it for battle feats. The book is awesome, but just for the purposes of battles the book should be considered WIS.

Francis isn't manly and pretty fun to call a character like Hawkeye. Some people refer to Dick as Richard which he doesn't go by but is his name.

Based on what? Clint's beaten Captain America in CQC before..

My mistake I meant On par. I still think Tims would win if it came down to no Gadgets or Arrows but barley.

@stormshadow_x: Yes, but people call him Richard in the comics all the time. That's a false equivalency. We're talking about middle names, no one calls him "John."

@jaken7:

Meh Let him have his fun.

Well I was gonna make this so...bump.