#1 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

Who would win in a fight between a sword wielder or a knife throwing user.

The battle starts from 6ft apart

The knife user only has 2 throwing knifes.

Ready Set Fight.

#2 Posted by Mad8Baller (494 posts) - - Show Bio

How long is this sword?
Cause a xiphos isn't going to blocking any knives.

#3 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mad8Baller said:

How long is this sword? Cause a xiphos isn't going to blocking any knives.

The second sword is what the sword user is using.

#4 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't scale this for many reasons.

-Skill level is unknown

-Does the throwing knife user have to pull it or is he ready

-How long is the blade

-Can either contender retreat to think of a plan

-How illusive are the fighters.

#5 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

They have their weapons ready before the match starts.There's no need to draw their weapons out already.

The arena is in middle of nowhere which is 50 ft long and wide.It also has an invisible wall.

The fighters are extremely skilled and illusive.

#6 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

SPIRAL!!!

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PROOF!!

#7 Edited by Mad8Baller (494 posts) - - Show Bio

Multiple endings -
1.  If this is some Chinese Karate movie such as Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon or House of Flying Daggers and both warriors are at their highest level.  Technically it would be a stomp for the swordsman who would just block every dagger thrown.  Course the other knife wielding warrior would know this and instead use the knives as assassination type weapons by holding them backwards/reversed and using them like how you see people use knives in a knife fight.  In that case it would be who gets tired or makes a mistake first.  Swordsman would have advantage of reach.  Knife fighter would have advantage of having 2 blades.
2.  There is the OMG Rounin Kenshin Samurai 1 hit ko light speed slasher style and the knife fighter would instantly lose.
3.  There is the Ninja approach and the Knife fighter wins because he throws his knife and never misses and he has two so he could do some weird teleporting stuff and jump around and just throw when he sees an opening.
 
Edit: Other approach - Draw  - both throw their weapons the instant the wall goes down and both die.

#8 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@moywar700:How long are the knives? If its a one shot kill for sure I'll give it to the knife user although once he misses twice its game over.

#9 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

@FourthDeity said:

@moywar700:How long are the knives? If its a one shot kill for sure I'll give it to the knife user although once he misses twice its game over.

#10 Posted by JediWaffles (746 posts) - - Show Bio

Sword wielder probably wins. Throwing knives is honestly the least practical way to use a knife. The best knife is the one in your hand. This is coming from someone who's been throwing knives for a long time now.

The only time i'd throw a knife over wielding one is to use as a distraction so i could get up close and finish the deal off. Knife throws rarely kill. First off, they're easy to dodge. Second, they're not likely to hit a vital spot that would kill you outright. The best you can hope for is to hamper your enemey's movements so as to weaken him in h2h.

#11 Posted by ShootingNova (15542 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediWaffles said:

Sword wielder probably wins. Throwing knives is honestly the least practical way to use a knife. The best knife is the one in your hand. This is coming from someone who's been throwing knives for a long time now.

The only time i'd throw a knife over wielding one is to use as a distraction so i could get up close and finish the deal off. Knife throws rarely kill. First off, they're easy to dodge. Second, they're not likely to hit a vital spot that would kill you outright. The best you can hope for is to hamper your enemey's movements so as to weaken him in h2h.

#12 Posted by Erik (31623 posts) - - Show Bio

@moywar700 said:

They have their weapons ready before the match starts.There's no need to draw their weapons out already.

The arena is in middle of nowhere which is 50 ft long and wide.It also has an invisible wall.

The fighters are extremely skilled and illusive.

Based on this, I would say the sword wielder has the best chance. He does not lose his weapon after two attempts.

#13 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio
@FourthDeity said:

Can't scale this for many reasons.

-Skill level is unknown

-Does the throwing knife user have to pull it or is he ready

-How long is the blade

-Can either contender retreat to think of a plan

-How illusive are the fighters.

I agree. But the throwing "knives" have greater versatility.
#14 Posted by ShootingNova (15542 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSuperHuman: But they can also be easy to predict and dodge and leave you vulnerable.

#15 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman: But they can also be easy to predict and dodge and leave you vulnerable.

That's very true. But throwing knives also have the unpredictability to ricochet, whereas using a sword that slams into something won't necessarily have the same reaction. Plus, you have to worry about the weight of the sword, and even then if you're dual-handed.
#16 Posted by ShootingNova (15542 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSuperHuman: Well, typically, I don't prefer two-handed swords and prefer to wield them one-handed, two hands for support. I don't throw knives unless its compulsory. More or less, there are far more sword fighting styles than ways to throw a knife.

#17 Posted by JediWaffles (746 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSuperHuman said:

@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman: But they can also be easy to predict and dodge and leave you vulnerable.

That's very true. But throwing knives also have the unpredictability to ricochet, whereas using a sword that slams into something won't necessarily have the same reaction. Plus, you have to worry about the weight of the sword, and even then if you're dual-handed.

Nope. Lemme tell you know, outside of a comic book, you will never be able to ricochet a throwing knife and still land a hit. Even if, by the grace of lady luck, you DO land a hit off a ricochet, its force will have been severely lessened due to the ricochet, leading to a weak and essentially useless throw.

#18 Posted by ShootingNova (15542 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediWaffles: Not always. Striking arteries or vital organs can make it more effective. Some people throw knives with certain ways in order for a more effective "rebound effect", as they call it.

#19 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediWaffles said:

@TheSuperHuman said:

@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman: But they can also be easy to predict and dodge and leave you vulnerable.

That's very true. But throwing knives also have the unpredictability to ricochet, whereas using a sword that slams into something won't necessarily have the same reaction. Plus, you have to worry about the weight of the sword, and even then if you're dual-handed.

Nope. Lemme tell you know, outside of a comic book, you will never be able to ricochet a throwing knife and still land a hit. Even if, by the grace of lady luck, you DO land a hit off a ricochet, its force will have been severely lessened due to the ricochet, leading to a weak and essentially useless throw.

I won't argue that, I've had that happen. I don't mess with them anymore, but I threw a dagger and ricocheted it off a flimsy cardboard cut-out, miraculously striking the groin of the image. I was aiming for the belly, actually, so it kind of humored me. Then again, I had to try a second time and it fell short. While getting back on the real topic; swords don't have that long-rage attack method that throwing knives do. Though your shots might be limited to how hard and fast you throw, it won't always hit the target. The sword is generally for close-quarters. We all know that, lol.
#20 Posted by ShootingNova (15542 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSuperHuman said:

@JediWaffles said:

@TheSuperHuman said:

@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman: But they can also be easy to predict and dodge and leave you vulnerable.

That's very true. But throwing knives also have the unpredictability to ricochet, whereas using a sword that slams into something won't necessarily have the same reaction. Plus, you have to worry about the weight of the sword, and even then if you're dual-handed.

Nope. Lemme tell you know, outside of a comic book, you will never be able to ricochet a throwing knife and still land a hit. Even if, by the grace of lady luck, you DO land a hit off a ricochet, its force will have been severely lessened due to the ricochet, leading to a weak and essentially useless throw.

I won't argue that, I've had that happen. I don't mess with them anymore, but I threw a dagger and ricocheted it off a flimsy cardboard cut-out, miraculously striking the groin of the image. I was aiming for the belly, actually, so it kind of humored me. Then again, I had to try a second time and it fell short. While getting back on the real topic; swords don't have that long-rage attack method that throwing knives do. Though your shots might be limited to how hard and fast you throw, it won't always hit the target. The sword is generally for close-quarters. We all know that, lol.

I know this sounds absurd, but in desperate situations, people have been known to throw swords as well...

#21 Posted by JediWaffles (746 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSuperHuman: Yeah, but in an actual fight, all the sword wielder has to do is run in and slash. At 50 ft apart, that's at best, 2 throws. Which could miss, be dodged, not hit anything vital, blocked, etc etc.

@ShootingNova said:

@JediWaffles: Not always. Striking arteries or vital organs can make it more effective. Some people throw knives with certain ways in order for a more effective "rebound effect", as they call it.

Yeah, but it just reduces your chances of hitting your target even more. Also, this is a moving target that can react, as opposed to a stationary target that is typically practiced upon.

#22 Posted by ShootingNova (15542 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediWaffles: I have heard of curve throws where the knife flies in a curve back towards you.... have you heard of such a thing?

#23 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman said:

@JediWaffles said:

@TheSuperHuman said:

@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman: But they can also be easy to predict and dodge and leave you vulnerable.

That's very true. But throwing knives also have the unpredictability to ricochet, whereas using a sword that slams into something won't necessarily have the same reaction. Plus, you have to worry about the weight of the sword, and even then if you're dual-handed.

Nope. Lemme tell you know, outside of a comic book, you will never be able to ricochet a throwing knife and still land a hit. Even if, by the grace of lady luck, you DO land a hit off a ricochet, its force will have been severely lessened due to the ricochet, leading to a weak and essentially useless throw.

I won't argue that, I've had that happen. I don't mess with them anymore, but I threw a dagger and ricocheted it off a flimsy cardboard cut-out, miraculously striking the groin of the image. I was aiming for the belly, actually, so it kind of humored me. Then again, I had to try a second time and it fell short. While getting back on the real topic; swords don't have that long-rage attack method that throwing knives do. Though your shots might be limited to how hard and fast you throw, it won't always hit the target. The sword is generally for close-quarters. We all know that, lol.

I know this sounds absurd, but in desperate situations, people have been known to throw swords as well...

Yeah, but to what level of accuracy? Something like that sounds about 1/10.
#24 Posted by JediWaffles (746 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: Yeah, but only if you don't hit anything. Which is obviously not what we're looking for here haha.

#25 Posted by ShootingNova (15542 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSuperHuman: It depends on the thrower, I'm just saying that that has happened before. I'm sure a true swordsman wouldn't do that...

#26 Posted by ShootingNova (15542 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediWaffles: Yup.

#27 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman: It depends on the thrower, I'm just saying that that has happened before. I'm sure a true swordsman wouldn't do that...

I've scene several Ninja movies where the Ninja throws the sword straight (as if caught on a wire and quickly piercing their target). It's a common move, mostly, but how effective it is in the real world is beyond me.
#28 Posted by Mad8Baller (494 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheSuperHuman said:
@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman: It depends on the thrower, I'm just saying that that has happened before. I'm sure a true swordsman wouldn't do that...

I've scene several Ninja movies where the Ninja throws the sword straight (as if caught on a wire and quickly piercing their target). It's a common move, mostly, but how effective it is in the real world is beyond me.
Probably in real life, it would fall from it's weight before it actually hit a target more than like 20 ft away.
Swords aren't light things unless it's those ninja swords that are only about 1-2ft long and basically long daggers.
#29 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

Sword.

#30 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mad8Baller said:
@TheSuperHuman said:
@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman: It depends on the thrower, I'm just saying that that has happened before. I'm sure a true swordsman wouldn't do that...

I've scene several Ninja movies where the Ninja throws the sword straight (as if caught on a wire and quickly piercing their target). It's a common move, mostly, but how effective it is in the real world is beyond me.
Probably in real life, it would fall from it's weight before it actually hit a target more than like 20 ft away. Swords aren't light things unless it's those ninja swords that are only about 1-2ft long and basically long daggers.
My thoughts exactly.
#31 Posted by ShootingNova (15542 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSuperHuman said:

@Mad8Baller said:
@TheSuperHuman said:
@ShootingNova said:

@TheSuperHuman: It depends on the thrower, I'm just saying that that has happened before. I'm sure a true swordsman wouldn't do that...

I've scene several Ninja movies where the Ninja throws the sword straight (as if caught on a wire and quickly piercing their target). It's a common move, mostly, but how effective it is in the real world is beyond me.
Probably in real life, it would fall from it's weight before it actually hit a target more than like 20 ft away. Swords aren't light things unless it's those ninja swords that are only about 1-2ft long and basically long daggers.
My thoughts exactly.
#32 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah I give it to the throwing knife user if he's very skilled for the reasons stated above.

#33 Posted by Nefarious (18677 posts) - - Show Bio

Throwing Knives.

#34 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19910 posts) - - Show Bio

Sword. If they are extremely experienced he could easily block it. Also after a few attempts, they would be lucky for a legshot, and they could probably tank that. Basicly sword vs hand 2 hand.

Sword wins. (in this case)

#35 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediWaffles said:

Sword wielder probably wins. Throwing knives is honestly the least practical way to use a knife. The best knife is the one in your hand. This is coming from someone who's been throwing knives for a long time now.

The only time i'd throw a knife over wielding one is to use as a distraction so i could get up close and finish the deal off. Knife throws rarely kill. First off, they're easy to dodge. Second, they're not likely to hit a vital spot that would kill you outright. The best you can hope for is to hamper your enemey's movements so as to weaken him in h2h.

do you think throwing knifes are good in a zombie Apocalypse?

#36 Posted by JediWaffles (746 posts) - - Show Bio

@moywar700 said:

@JediWaffles said:

Sword wielder probably wins. Throwing knives is honestly the least practical way to use a knife. The best knife is the one in your hand. This is coming from someone who's been throwing knives for a long time now.

The only time i'd throw a knife over wielding one is to use as a distraction so i could get up close and finish the deal off. Knife throws rarely kill. First off, they're easy to dodge. Second, they're not likely to hit a vital spot that would kill you outright. The best you can hope for is to hamper your enemey's movements so as to weaken him in h2h.

do you think throwing knifes are good in a zombie Apocalypse?

Serious question? If so, then absolutely not. Why would you waste a knife? You're essentially throwing away your best shot at survival to take out a single zombie.

#37 Posted by Blacklightning13 (916 posts) - - Show Bio

If both people are experts the thrower should be able to throw faster then the sword wielder can block. But the thrower would need to let the sword user get into the 5-3 meter range before throwing all the daggers in rapid secession.

#38 Edited by kajitatsu (532 posts) - - Show Bio

Sword because the knife thrower will find it more difficult to land a lethal strike and it costs them their weapons. A sword slash or stab would be a lot more fatal. The open setting gives an edge to the larger weapon even more. Also there are no characters in this fight.

#39 Posted by MisterWhisper (1810 posts) - - Show Bio

Throwing a knife at a master swordsman is not really a great plan. There is only so fast a human can throw a knife, if they are lucky they might get it up to 50MPH, even as a master thrower. At a distance of more than like 20 feet the swords man will have time to block/dodge, closer and he will close the distance before the knife is thrown. It takes much more movement to throw a knife than to swing a sword.

Also they started 6 feet away, at that point screw throwing anything, just attack with the 2 knives.

Equal skill Thrown knife vs Sword, the sword is almost always going to win.

Equal skill 2 knives vs sword, 50/50 maybe even 60/40 leaning to the knife user.

P.S. That is a crappy looking sword.

#40 Edited by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember this thread.I think 2 is too little.How about 6 or 5 knives?

#41 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio

I've gotta go with the sword. Throwing knives just are not practical in a combat situation. Considering the small starting distance the knife guy has 1 throw, if he's really quick, before the swordsman cuts him down.

#42 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

@Matchstick said:

I've gotta go with the sword. Throwing knives just are not practical in a combat situation. Considering the small starting distance the knife guy has 1 throw, if he's really quick, before the swordsman cuts him down.

ok about how 17 ft then?

#43 Posted by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

and the knife thrower has more knives.Like 9 or 7.

#44 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio

@moywar700: Then I've got to give it to the knife thrower.