Thor/Superman vs Wonder Woman/Captain Marvel

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No bfr, random encounter, noone is holding back, win by death, takes place in an empty forest.

Thor is using all of his hammer's powers and his combat speed(since I have to specify)

Team 1.

And Thor has the Odinforce

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Team 1.

yep.

@Jayfournines said:

And Thor has the Odinforce

that would be a mismatch.

@CitizenBane said:

You forgot to add "Thor is using his combat speed"

@ChaosBlazer said:

@Jayfournines said:

And Thor has the Odinforce

that would be a mismatch.

No he doesn't have the OF.

@Billy Batson said:

Oh Cap. You sly fox.
BB

LMAO.

bump

Team 2.

Both are still too fast for him.

If Thor can manage to not get mowed to death by Billy or Diana at super speed...then Team 1 takes it.

If Thor can manage to not get mowed to death by Billy or Diana at super speed...then Team 1 takes it.

@blackadamFTW said:

Team 2.

Both are still too fast for him.

@ghost_rider1: Thor is not FTL. His combat speed is around upper street level (Deathstroke or someone like that).

Also, he will definitely get speedblizted with morals off.

@ghost_rider1 said:

@blackadamFTW

@ghost_rider1: Thor is not FTL. His combat speed is around upper street level (Deathstroke or someone like that).

Also, he will definitely get speedblizted with morals off.

U should definately stop posting now that u said that. Thor is FTL. He can fly from earth to the sun in MINUTES....that's right!!!!! MINUTES!!!! U say his combat speed is comparable to deathstroke?? That's the best joke I've heard all day. Thor has beaten gladiator, stalemated surfer, killed sentry. Oh and by the way....sentry reflexes are fast enough to catch a sniper bullet. And sniper bullets travel at a speed of mach 4. But thor killed him. So how is that comparable to deathstroke? Thor cannot be speed blitzed here. Now that I jus tld u he has fought those 3 and beaten them who all have super combat speed. If u still say that thor is getting speed blitzed then ur troling cuz I'm proving otherwise that he is more than capable of beating them

If you post scans of Thor showing FTL reaction time (again, not travel speed...since Mjolnir is the one that actually flies that fast and simply pulls Thor) then I will concede.

@ghost_rider1: You think that Thor flying to the sun in minutes makes him FTL in combat speed? That's TRAVEL speed. That has nothing to do with combat speed.

Your point? Deathstroke has beaten Flash. Point countered.

Catching a bullet makes you FTL? I didn't know that *cough* sarcasm *cough*

Thor beat a Sentry who wanted to die. It also wasn't in part to his combat speed.

I just countered your points, so, I'll say it again:

Thor gets blitzed.

@ghost_rider1 said:

@blackadamFTW

@ghost_rider1: Thor is not FTL. His combat speed is around upper street level (Deathstroke or someone like that).

Also, he will definitely get speedblizted with morals off.

U should definately stop posting now that u said that. Thor is FTL. He can fly from earth to the sun in MINUTES....that's right!!!!! MINUTES!!!! U say his combat speed is comparable to deathstroke?? That's the best joke I've heard all day. Thor has beaten gladiator, stalemated surfer, killed sentry. Oh and by the way....sentry reflexes are fast enough to catch a sniper bullet. And sniper bullets travel at a speed of mach 4. But thor killed him. So how is that comparable to deathstroke? Thor cannot be speed blitzed here. Now that I jus tld u he has fought those 3 and beaten them who all have super combat speed. If u still say that thor is getting speed blitzed then ur troling cuz I'm proving otherwise that he is more than capable of beating them

If you post scans of Thor showing FTL reaction time (again, not travel speed...since Mjolnir is the one that actually flies that fast and simply pulls Thor) then I will concede.

@ghost_rider1: Thor's never actually beaten Surfer, and Gladiator is full of CIS. Street levelers have reacted to Flash before, and human's have been able to punch Superman in the face. Doesn't mean they have great combat speed.

@ghost_rider1: IIRC, during the fights, Thor was trying to beat Surfer, and Surfer was only trying to subdue Thor.

That means that he wasn't close to going all out.

@blackadamFTW

@ghost_rider1: Thor's never actually beaten Surfer, and Gladiator is full of CIS. Street levelers have reacted to Flash before, and human's have been able to punch Superman in the face. Doesn't mean they have great combat speed.

Thor never beaten surfer but surfer never beaten him either. But the fact that they fought evenly means he is more than capable of using super speed

@ghost_rider1 said:

@blackadamFTW

@ghost_rider1: IIRC, during the fights, Thor was trying to beat Surfer, and Surfer was only trying to subdue Thor.

That means that he wasn't close to going all out.

If I could post scans I would shut u up about this subject. I can think of twice off the top of my head that surfer and thor has fought. And surfer wasn't jus trying to subdue him. He was trying to beat thor. Thor fought evenly with him. Ur jus making up excuses, even IF surfer wanted to subdue him. Surfer super speed should hav made it easy if thor was so slow. I'm done talking to u. Ur pointless to talk to

No need to get abrasive about it. After all, these are comic book characters we're talking about here.

superman solos in my opinion

@thejokesonyoubats said:

superman solos in my opinion

nah, he's not soloing anything

@ghost_rider1 said:

@ghost_rider1

@blackadamFTW

@ghost_rider1: Thor's never actually beaten Surfer, and Gladiator is full of CIS. Street levelers have reacted to Flash before, and human's have been able to punch Superman in the face. Doesn't mean they have great combat speed.

Thor never beaten surfer but surfer never beaten him either. But the fact that they fought evenly means he is more than capable of using super speed

Oh, and guess what. Surfer DID lose to a crazed thor. Surfer intervened and stopped him from killing Beta Ray Bill. Surfer then fought thor in a hard battle but was also defeated by THOR! U know nothing about thor so u should go read up on him before saying his combat speed is slow

Please stop being so rude to other people with different opinions than yours. Thor does not possess FTL combat speed, he's not even able to tag Quicksilver. He does, however, possess FTL travel speed.

Whenever he tags Surfer it's either PIS or Surfer is not using his full speed...Just think about it, Deathstroke has tagged Flash....Wally West Flash, who is ridiculously faster than the people we are arguing about...does that give Slade FTL reaction time? nah, we can either chalk it up to Flash not using his full speed or PIS

No one is holding back? Billy fries Superman with magic or Diana slits his throat with her tiara and they both speed bang Thors face.

@blackadamFTW said:

@ghost_rider1: Thor's never actually beaten Surfer

Yes he has.

@blackadamFTW said:

and Gladiator is full of CIS.

Thor vs Gladiator isn't CIS. Thor curbstomped Glads and Glads admitted even his full confidence power wasn't enough to put Thor down.

@blackadamFTW said:

Street levelers have reacted to Flash before,

That's PIS and on top of that Flash wasn't moving at his full speed.

@blackadamFTW said:

human's have been able to punch Superman in the face.

Because Superman lets them.

@Jayfournines said:

Please stop being so rude to other people with different opinions than yours. Thor does not possess FTL combat speed, he's not even able to tag Quicksilver.

That's because Thor didn't need to. Classic Thor was capable of creating trenches before his enemies that not even Quicksilver could react to. Thor can tag Quicksilver if he wants.

@Jayfournines said:

He does, however, possess FTL travel speed.

Which means nothing in a fight.

@NerdsFTW said:

@blackadamFTW said:

@ghost_rider1: You think that Thor flying to the sun in minutes makes him FTL in combat speed? That's TRAVEL speed. That has nothing to do with combat speed.

Your point? Deathstroke has beaten Flash. Point countered.

Catching a bullet makes you FTL? I didn't know that *cough* sarcasm *cough*

Thor beat a Sentry who wanted to die. It also wasn't in part to his combat speed.

I just countered your points, so, I'll say it again:

Thor gets blitzed.

@blackadamFTW said:

@ghost_rider1: Thor's never actually beaten Surfer, and Gladiator is full of CIS. Street levelers have reacted to Flash before, and human's have been able to punch Superman in the face. Doesn't mean they have great combat speed.

@Jayfournines said:

If you post scans of Thor showing FTL reaction time (again, not travel speed...since Mjolnir is the one that actually flies that fast and simply pulls Thor) then I will concede.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing Thor gets speedblitzed!

New rule: speed is equal.

So basically you just gave Thor an advantage like you ALWAYS do? Thor using all the powers he has ever displayed ever plus amped combat speed to match everyone around him? Man, you will never stop being a Thor fanboy

-abandons thread-

@Jayfournines said:

So basically you just gave Thor an advantage like you ALWAYS do? Thor using all the powers he has ever displayed ever plus amped combat speed to match everyone around him? Man, you will never stop being a Thor fanboy

-abandons thread-

Slow down here.

1. I didn't make speed equal, reread op, it was a joke.

2. I'm not a thor fanboy

3. Even if I made speed equal it wouldn't give Thor an advantage. He's fought beings as fast and even faster than Superman on numerous occasions. He's not getting blitzed here.

@NerdsFTW said:

@Jayfournines said:

So basically you just gave Thor an advantage like you ALWAYS do? Thor using all the powers he has ever displayed ever plus amped combat speed to match everyone around him? Man, you will never stop being a Thor fanboy

-abandons thread-

Slow down here.

1. I didn't make speed equal, reread op, it was a joke.

2. I'm not a thor fanboy

3. Even if I made speed equal it wouldn't give Thor an advantage. He's fought beings as fast and even faster than Superman on numerous occasions. He's not getting blitzed here.

Dude, I understand you favor Thor ALL the time, your threads speak for themselves on the way how you usually change the rules when Thor doesn;t win, but if you really are tired of hearing the speedblitz argument then stop putting him in battles against people who are MUCH faster than him.

Also, of course you changed the OP, I saw it when you edited it to include 'NEW RULE,EVERYONE HAS EQUAL SPEED CAUSE I'M TIRED OF HEARING SPEEDBLITZ', but of course, you edited it afterwards when I called you a fanboy. In any case, we all know what the deal is in these threads.

@Jayfournines said:

Dude, I understand you favor Thor ALL the time, your threads speak for themselves on the way how you usually change the rules when Thor doesn;t win, but if you really are tired of hearing the speedblitz argument then stop putting him in battles against people who are MUCH faster than him.

It's obvious you ignored my third point: I'm tired of hearing the speedblitz argument because Thor has fought beings with super speed all the time and survived, just because they are faster doesn't mean they will use their speed in this fight.

@Jayfournines said:

And Thor has the Odinforce

Plus, where did you get this idea from?

@texasdeathmatch: How do you believe the battle will turn out?

@texasdeathmatch said:

@NerdsFTW: Tough to say. I've always found Superman and Captain Marvel to be evenly matched, so it really depends on Thor and Wonder Woman, in my opinion.

Only way for Diana to win is to blitz Thor, if she decides to duke it out, well, let's just say:

mjolnir>lasso of truth.

@NerdsFTW: I think Superman takes a majority on Captain Marvel, and Thor can hold off Diana until Superman tag teams her. Thor lacks the speed to all out defeat Diana but he's stronger and more durable than her so he can last in a fight against her.

@ChaosBlazer: I don't think Diana would use speed against someone she doesn't know, she didn't use it when she fought a bloodlusted superman in superman sacrifice #1.

@NerdsFTW: well, if wonder woman isn't going all out from the get-go Thor will take her out. He is stronger than her.

In regard to Thor's combat speed, these scans from Thor: Deviants Saga #2 appear to show him fighting at at least light speed against Tutinax. That was my interpretation at least, I may be wrong. I am in no way trying to imply that he is the fastest fighter by any measure but I do think he is capable of near light speed or light speed combat movement. Sorry if the scan quality is on the low side.

team 1 should win but it will be a long fight.

@ghost_rider1 said:

@ghost_rider1

@blackadamFTW

@ghost_rider1: Thor's never actually beaten Surfer, and Gladiator is full of CIS. Street levelers have reacted to Flash before, and human's have been able to punch Superman in the face. Doesn't mean they have great combat speed.

Thor never beaten surfer but surfer never beaten him either. But the fact that they fought evenly means he is more than capable of using super speed

Oh, and guess what. Surfer DID lose to a crazed thor. Surfer intervened and stopped him from killing Beta Ray Bill. Surfer then fought thor in a hard battle but was also defeated by THOR! U know nothing about thor so u should go read up on him before saying his combat speed is slow

Please stop being so rude to other people with different opinions than yours. Thor does not possess FTL combat speed, he's not even able to tag Quicksilver. He does, however, possess FTL travel speed.

Whenever he tags Surfer it's either PIS or Surfer is not using his full speed...Just think about it, Deathstroke has tagged Flash....Wally West Flash, who is ridiculously faster than the people we are arguing about...does that give Slade FTL reaction time? nah, we can either chalk it up to Flash not using his full speed or PIS

@ghost_rider1 said:

@Jayfournines

@ghost_rider1 said:

@ghost_rider1

@blackadamFTW

@ghost_rider1: Thor's never actually beaten Surfer, and Gladiator is full of CIS. Street levelers have reacted to Flash before, and human's have been able to punch Superman in the face. Doesn't mean they have great combat speed.

Thor never beaten surfer but surfer never beaten him either. But the fact that they fought evenly means he is more than capable of using super speed

Oh, and guess what. Surfer DID lose to a crazed thor. Surfer intervened and stopped him from killing Beta Ray Bill. Surfer then fought thor in a hard battle but was also defeated by THOR! U know nothing about thor so u should go read up on him before saying his combat speed is slow

Please stop being so rude to other people with different opinions than yours. Thor does not possess FTL combat speed, he's not even able to tag Quicksilver. He does, however, possess FTL travel speed.

Whenever he tags Surfer it's either PIS or Surfer is not using his full speed...Just think about it, Deathstroke has tagged Flash....Wally West Flash, who is ridiculously faster than the people we are arguing about...does that give Slade FTL reaction time? nah, we can either chalk it up to Flash not using his full speed or PIS

They done fought twiice one time was in asgard and another time thor was going bonkers, he would hav kiilled beta ray bill if the surfer didn't step in. And then he beat surfer and would have killed him also. U refuse to accept the fact he has super combat speed. Instead u call it PIS. And I'm tellin u its not PIS cuz they hav fought twice. Surfer has not beaten thor yet. And thor didn't need to hit quicksilver. Void, surfer, and glads have super combat speed and fought them before on equal terms. The fact u still say he DON'T have super speed means ur jus in denial and u refuse to listen to reason. U and blackadam are in denial!

twice in 60 years? yeah....not buying it. Again, you will forgive me if I don't trust your awesome knowledge, could you post proof of Thor's reaction speed?

@ghost_rider1 said:

@Jayfournines

@ghost_rider1 said:

@ghost_rider1

@blackadamFTW

@ghost_rider1: Thor's never actually beaten Surfer, and Gladiator is full of CIS. Street levelers have reacted to Flash before, and human's have been able to punch Superman in the face. Doesn't mean they have great combat speed.

Thor never beaten surfer but surfer never beaten him either. But the fact that they fought evenly means he is more than capable of using super speed

Oh, and guess what. Surfer DID lose to a crazed thor. Surfer intervened and stopped him from killing Beta Ray Bill. Surfer then fought thor in a hard battle but was also defeated by THOR! U know nothing about thor so u should go read up on him before saying his combat speed is slow

Please stop being so rude to other people with different opinions than yours. Thor does not possess FTL combat speed, he's not even able to tag Quicksilver. He does, however, possess FTL travel speed.

Whenever he tags Surfer it's either PIS or Surfer is not using his full speed...Just think about it, Deathstroke has tagged Flash....Wally West Flash, who is ridiculously faster than the people we are arguing about...does that give Slade FTL reaction time? nah, we can either chalk it up to Flash not using his full speed or PIS

They done fought twiice one time was in asgard and another time thor was going bonkers, he would hav kiilled beta ray bill if the surfer didn't step in. And then he beat surfer and would have killed him also. U refuse to accept the fact he has super combat speed. Instead u call it PIS. And I'm tellin u its not PIS cuz they hav fought twice. Surfer has not beaten thor yet. And thor didn't need to hit quicksilver. Void, surfer, and glads have super combat speed and fought them before on equal terms. The fact u still say he DON'T have super speed means ur jus in denial and u refuse to listen to reason. U and blackadam are in denial!

twice in 60 years? yeah....not buying it. Again, you will forgive me if I don't trust your awesome knowledge, could you post proof of Thor's reaction speed?

@ghost_rider1 said:

@Jayfournines

@ghost_rider1 said:

@Jayfournines

@ghost_rider1 said:

@ghost_rider1

@blackadamFTW

@ghost_rider1: Thor's never actually beaten Surfer, and Gladiator is full of CIS. Street levelers have reacted to Flash before, and human's have been able to punch Superman in the face. Doesn't mean they have great combat speed.

Thor never beaten surfer but surfer never beaten him either. But the fact that they fought evenly means he is more than capable of using super speed

Oh, and guess what. Surfer DID lose to a crazed thor. Surfer intervened and stopped him from killing Beta Ray Bill. Surfer then fought thor in a hard battle but was also defeated by THOR! U know nothing about thor so u should go read up on him before saying his combat speed is slow

Please stop being so rude to other people with different opinions than yours. Thor does not possess FTL combat speed, he's not even able to tag Quicksilver. He does, however, possess FTL travel speed.

Whenever he tags Surfer it's either PIS or Surfer is not using his full speed...Just think about it, Deathstroke has tagged Flash....Wally West Flash, who is ridiculously faster than the people we are arguing about...does that give Slade FTL reaction time? nah, we can either chalk it up to Flash not using his full speed or PIS

They done fought twiice one time was in asgard and another time thor was going bonkers, he would hav kiilled beta ray bill if the surfer didn't step in. And then he beat surfer and would have killed him also. U refuse to accept the fact he has super combat speed. Instead u call it PIS. And I'm tellin u its not PIS cuz they hav fought twice. Surfer has not beaten thor yet. And thor didn't need to hit quicksilver. Void, surfer, and glads have super combat speed and fought them before on equal terms. The fact u still say he DON'T have super speed means ur jus in denial and u refuse to listen to reason. U and blackadam are in denial!

twice in 60 years? yeah....not buying it. Again, you will forgive me if I don't trust your awesome knowledge, could you post proof of Thor's reaction speed?

I can't get scans...all I have is knowledge. NerdsFTW also tld u he has beaten surfer. But, since I can't get scans. How about u try and find some scans! I would LOVE to get some scans. Actually, someone in a previous post put some scans of thor reaction speed. How about looking at them.

Lemme ask @CitizenBane, he knows more about that Tutinax situation than I do.