Thor,Gladiator Vs Darkseid

Fight in nyc,no morals,no bfr,gladiator at 100% coinfidence. Start 1 mile apart..pre 52 darkseid.

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Darkseid pwns.

Darkseid

Yeah, Gladiator's 100% confidence thing never really matters when you take on big boys who could lay cosmic level beatdowns the way Darkseid can -- it's like a Green Lantern thing where he's powered by willpower, without all the actual utility of being a Green Lantern. I actually think Thor's got decent enough feats to fight Darkseid, but he'd lose the majority of the time when you account for his inconsistencies. Darkseid can take pretty much any blow they can give him and I don't think they can take on his OB, Telepathy, and generally above superman strength and speed.

@Dredeuced:

was thinking though thors ability to absorb D/S's O/B with his hammer? plus galds at 100% is a superman level threat?

team wins gladiator is like supes when at 100% and supes can beat darkseid + thor = the win

Mjolnir > OB, ergo Thor solos, since he can take DS best shot, while Gladiator can't.

Team barely wins.

While Mjolnir could theoretically absorb the OB, but seeing how his omega beam, at least not to my knoweledge has never been absorbed and can essentially go around the mjolnir if he so wishes makes it hard to use that a definitive win.

Darkseid isnt as power as he used to be, or as powerful as he gets rated on comicvine and individually i would give Darkseid a lot better odds against either Thor or Gladiator, the team might actually win this. Wont be easy.

I see it going something like 6/10 (in Darkseid's favor).

Team Wins 5.5/10

Darkseid.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Mjolnir > OB, ergo Thor solos, since he can take DS best shot, while Gladiator can't.

Wait, what? Even if Mjolnir could absorb it, Thor couldn't react to it. Superman can't even dodge them, so Thor sure as hell can't. A morals off Darkseid's omega beams would be capable of one shotting Thor.

Plus, what's Thor going to do to him? Doubt he'll be able to brawl with him, and his lightning attack won't do much. He can't BFR him, since Darkseid can do the exact same thing. A godblast is unlikely, and I doubt he'd be able to use in time for him to win (even though I don't think the godblast would permanently put down Darkseid).

@Sethlol said:

Darkseid.

@Killemall said:

While Mjolnir could theoretically absorb the OB, but seeing how his omega beam, at least not to my knoweledge has never been absorbed and can essentially go around the mjolnir if he so wishes makes it hard to use that a definitive win.

I can actually think of one occasion where they were, in Total Justice 3

They've also been blocked or deflected enough times to make it clear it is possible to intercept them without them being able to evade or go around the object, although I think most cases involve someone with better reflexes than Thor.

Team must win

@BigCimmerian said:

Team barely wins.

@Freefa11: Was that when they had all that Darkseid avatar crap? Also, this is a morals off Darkseid, and, honestly, most of the time, it doesn't seem like Darkseid really gives a sh!t.

While Mjolnir could theoretically absorb the OB, but seeing how his omega beam, at least not to my knoweledge has never been absorbed and can essentially go around the mjolnir if he so wishes makes it hard to use that a definitive win.

Darkseid isnt as power as he used to be, or as powerful as he gets rated on comicvine and individually i would give Darkseid a lot better odds against either Thor or Gladiator, the team might actually win this. Wont be easy.

I see it going something like 6/10 (in Darkseid's favor).

@czarny_samael666 said:

Mjolnir > OB, ergo Thor solos, since he can take DS best shot, while Gladiator can't.

Wait, what? Even if Mjolnir could absorb it, Thor couldn't react to it. Superman can't even dodge them, so Thor sure as hell can't. A morals off Darkseid's omega beams would be capable of one shotting Thor.

Plus, what's Thor going to do to him? Doubt he'll be able to brawl with him, and his lightning attack won't do much. He can't BFR him, since Darkseid can do the exact same thing. A godblast is unlikely, and I doubt he'd be able to use in time for him to win (even though I don't think the godblast would permanently put down Darkseid).

@czarny_samael666: Actually, he does not to react to something. Darkseid will start out his battle with omega beams, and if he does, Thor won't, and can't react to them. How would he drain his omega effect? It's not like he's an energy based being.

Wait, did you just say that Darkseid isn't even close to being to the speed of THOR? Thor's a freakin' slowpoke! His reaction time street level at best, while Darkseid has demonstrated microsecond reaction time. A blitz won't do much to Darkseid anyway. A bloodlusted Supes blitzed him, and he countered it with a pimp slap to the face.

@czarny_samael666 said:

1.I was thinking about draining, rather than absorbing. This is no-morals Thor.

I am certainly no Darkseid expert and have mostly read his appearances from Superman issues i find it hard to believe Thor can drain Darkseid. Lets ask one of the Darkseid's expert to hear what he has to say. (@Freefa11: ) has anyone every attempted to drain Darkseid, would you think this would be a viable option?

2.And I forgot that since itis "Out of morals" fight, Gladiator as well as Thor can speedblitz Darkseid.

This i dont agree, while Gladiator might be capable of blitzing Darkseid, Thor ability to blitz, well anyone seems a little off to me. He isnt really known for his reaction speed in the modern continuity, after Stan Lee stopped writing Thor. Also i for one dont remember Thor ever blitzing anyone, but i am missing most of his avengers appearances, maybe if there is anything you have seen.

Also the only speed feat from Darkseid that i can find is this.

Superman Volume 2, Issue 03

Just to be sure that nothing here seem mis-interpreted, this takes place during Legend story arc, although this particular feat (which is by no means a quantifiable speed) becomes questionable because Darkseid's appearnce in later part of the same story arc was effectively retconned as being Desak with Darkseid's power, which was pretty much to eliminate Superman getting the better of Darkseid in a straight up fight before being BFRed. So i am not entirely sure if that retcon affects this particular feat.

@czarny_samael666: Actually, he does not to react to something. Darkseid will start out his battle with omega beams, and if he does, Thor won't, and can't react to them. How would he drain his omega effect? It's not like he's an energy based being.

Wait, did you just say that Darkseid isn't even close to being to the speed of THOR? Thor's a freakin' slowpoke! His reaction time street level at best, while Darkseid has demonstrated microsecond reaction time. A blitz won't do much to Darkseid anyway. A bloodlusted Supes blitzed him, and he countered it with a pimp slap to the face.

@czarny_samael666: Could you show me a scan of Thor straight up absorbing an energy blast without reacting to it?

When Darkseid showed mikrosecond reaction?

He said he had to react in a microsecond, and he did. Don't remember when or where I saw it, but I remember it.

And Thor actually has at least microsecond reaction speed.

Since when?

Actually if he is able to grab Red Hulk instead of flying trough him in speed greater than light's one, he has to have even nanosecond reaction speed.

If he stopped and grabbed Red Hulk before he got sucked through the black hole (if it's the feat I'm thinking about) I could see that being a good reaction time feat, but he was just using his travel speed, and grabbing him. That doesn't really constitute a good reaction feat.

And since Thor is out of morals, I can use that feat here.

I'm pretty sure you could use that even if it was morals on (I don't know why you would use that feat, though).

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Darkseid pwns.

@czarny_samael666: Yeah, that was the instance. Anyways, how does fusing with someone weaker than him give him a boost? Etrigan has next to no combat speed, whatsoever, so I don't see how that affects the feat.

Ah, a chock-full-of-PIS classic feat. I "love" those.

Anyways, Green Lanterns have been flying FTL, casually talking to each other and dodging objects. Does that make them FTL in reaction speed? Also, it doesn't even look like he grabbed him. It just looks like he flew into him.

@czarny_samael666: Yeah, that was the instance. Anyways, how does fusing with someone weaker than him give him a boost? Etrigan has next to no combat speed, whatsoever, so I don't see how that affects the feat.

Ah, a chock-full-of-PIS classic feat. I "love" those.

Anyways, Green Lanterns have been flying FTL, casually talking to each other and dodging objects. Does that make them FTL in reaction speed? Also, it doesn't even look like he grabbed him. It just looks like he flew into him.

@czarny_samael666: The examples you provided still didn't have anything to do with speed. Sure, adding Etrigan's power probably made him stronger and more powerful, but added someone's power who has zero combat speed won't effect your speed (which is what we're arguing about) at all. I still don't see how it affects the feat.

2.Not PIS, bloodlusted Thor in Blood and Thunder, before he get Power Gem was moving in high speed (lightning one) in his fight with Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer. Thor is fast, it just isn't in his character to use it. That is why I wouldn't use it in fight with morals on.

How is not PIS? He hasn't shown anything close to that afterwards, and at this point, he's saying Wolverine is faster than him (since he tagged him pretty easily). He had to use an AoE attack on Quiksilver, since he couldn't react to him, so why should I believe that Thor has microsecond reaction time when he hasn't shown anything like that ever again?

3.If they could talk, than it is possible they were flying slower than sound. And Kyle Ryner has similar feat that confirmed his speed and he is considered as a light-speeder in opposite to other Lanterns. And if Thor would just fly into him, he would kill him.

No. They were traveling FTL to Oa, I believe, and they were talking due to their shields, I believe. They were still going FTL, and they still reacting to obstacles (John, Guy, and Kyle). I don't consider them to be FTl, though.

Rulk's durability would allow him to survive it, and I don't see how he "caught" him wasn't just him flying into him.

@ImTheDamnBatman said:

Darkseid pwns.