Thor vs the Collective

Mjolnir should deal with Collective. IMO The Collective is much more powerfull then Thor, but he isn't a Skyfather level and I doubt that anyone below Skyfather can overpower Mjolnir. 
In normal battle (like against Thanos or Gladiator) it won't matter so much, but here it does matter because The Collective depends on limited sorce of energy and Mjolnir will be able to drain him and use his energy to make a shield. 
 
Only chance for The Collective is finish this fast, but I doubt he can one-two shot someone as durable as Thor.

" Mjolnir should deal with Collective. IMO The Collective is much more powerfull then Thor, but he isn't a Skyfather level and I doubt that anyone below Skyfather can overpower Mjolnir.  In normal battle (like against Thanos or Gladiator) it won't matter so much, but here it does matter because The Collective depends on limited sorce of energy and Mjolnir will be able to drain him and use his energy to make a shield.   Only chance for The Collective is finish this fast, but I doubt he can one-two shot someone as durable as Thor. "

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" @czarny_samael said:

" Mjolnir should deal with Collective. IMO The Collective is much more powerfull then Thor, but he isn't a Skyfather level and I doubt that anyone below Skyfather can overpower Mjolnir.  In normal battle (like against Thanos or Gladiator) it won't matter so much, but here it does matter because The Collective depends on limited sorce of energy and Mjolnir will be able to drain him and use his energy to make a shield.   Only chance for The Collective is finish this fast, but I doubt he can one-two shot someone as durable as Thor. "

I think you need to look at Thor as others see Strange or Superman  There are classic version of characters and current Thor hasn't been shown to do any of that lately  Or even close to his classic version "

" @czarny_samael said:

" Mjolnir should deal with Collective. IMO The Collective is much more powerfull then Thor, but he isn't a Skyfather level and I doubt that anyone below Skyfather can overpower Mjolnir.  In normal battle (like against Thanos or Gladiator) it won't matter so much, but here it does matter because The Collective depends on limited sorce of energy and Mjolnir will be able to drain him and use his energy to make a shield.   Only chance for The Collective is finish this fast, but I doubt he can one-two shot someone as durable as Thor. "

I think you need to look at Thor as others see Strange or Superman  There are classic version of characters and current Thor hasn't been shown to do any of that lately  Or even close to his classic version "

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @czarny_samael said:

" Mjolnir should deal with Collective. IMO The Collective is much more powerfull then Thor, but he isn't a Skyfather level and I doubt that anyone below Skyfather can overpower Mjolnir.  In normal battle (like against Thanos or Gladiator) it won't matter so much, but here it does matter because The Collective depends on limited sorce of energy and Mjolnir will be able to drain him and use his energy to make a shield.   Only chance for The Collective is finish this fast, but I doubt he can one-two shot someone as durable as Thor. "

I think you need to look at Thor as others see Strange or Superman  There are classic version of characters and current Thor hasn't been shown to do any of that lately  Or even close to his classic version "

Current Thor is Classic Thor. Current Strange isn't Sorceror Supreme. Current Supe isn't SA Supe.  If someone once show some ability, it will always count. And Thor pretty often is using this power. "

"@blackadam: 
Thanks adam for that showing
I assumed Thor's hammer could absorb a degree of mystical energy 
Anything showing other energies that are current
 
@czarny_samael:  Superman was a bad example Even before he lost his title as Sorcerer Supreme, he still wasn't on is classic level U have anything showing this shield creation?  And remember that the Collective wasn't just energy powers  Do you remember the list of mutants that were shown? "

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

"@blackadam: 
Thanks adam for that showing
I assumed Thor's hammer could absorb a degree of mystical energy 
Anything showing other energies that are current
 
@czarny_samael:  Superman was a bad example Even before he lost his title as Sorcerer Supreme, he still wasn't on is classic level U have anything showing this shield creation?  And remember that the Collective wasn't just energy powers  Do you remember the list of mutants that were shown? "

what does makes you think he can only absorb mystical energy? althought, mystical energies are differenmt form any pther source of energy, that does not he is limited to only absorbd mystical. this is a feat of energy absorbtion.   you said there is a differenre between clasic thor and current, i dont know about that, as of late other classic feats had been reference; in thor 613 they talk about how thor fight the midgard serpent, in astonishing thor he was talkin g about the effect a god bloast would have on ego the living planet, super speed shown in thor 617. so, i am starting to think there is really no difference at all.    "

Thor. Col. hasn't fought anyone that is as durable as Thor. 
Mjolnir can just drain him.

" @blackadam said:

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

"@blackadam: 
Thanks adam for that showing
I assumed Thor's hammer could absorb a degree of mystical energy 
Anything showing other energies that are current
 
@czarny_samael:  Superman was a bad example Even before he lost his title as Sorcerer Supreme, he still wasn't on is classic level U have anything showing this shield creation?  And remember that the Collective wasn't just energy powers  Do you remember the list of mutants that were shown? "

what does makes you think he can only absorb mystical energy? althought, mystical energies are differenmt form any pther source of energy, that does not he is limited to only absorbd mystical. this is a feat of energy absorbtion.   you said there is a differenre between clasic thor and current, i dont know about that, as of late other classic feats had been reference; in thor 613 they talk about how thor fight the midgard serpent, in astonishing thor he was talkin g about the effect a god bloast would have on ego the living planet, super speed shown in thor 617. so, i am starting to think there is really no difference at all.    "

Outside of his classic feats, I haven't seen Thor absorb energies outside of mystical (ex: Power Cosmic, Psionic or Hulk's gamma)  I have seen him deflect these energies   The difference between them are in their feats "

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

"@blackadam: 
Thanks adam for that showing
I assumed Thor's hammer could absorb a degree of mystical energy 
Anything showing other energies that are current
 
@czarny_samael:  Superman was a bad example Even before he lost his title as Sorcerer Supreme, he still wasn't on is classic level U have anything showing this shield creation?  And remember that the Collective wasn't just energy powers  Do you remember the list of mutants that were shown? "

what does makes you think he can only absorb mystical energy? althought, mystical energies are differenmt form any pther source of energy, that does not he is limited to only absorbd mystical. this is a feat of energy absorbtion.   you said there is a differenre between clasic thor and current, i dont know about that, as of late other classic feats had been reference; in thor 613 they talk about how thor fight the midgard serpent, in astonishing thor he was talkin g about the effect a god bloast would have on ego the living planet, super speed shown in thor 617. so, i am starting to think there is really no difference at all.    "

" @czarny_samael:  Superman was a bad example Even before he lost his title as Sorcerer Supreme, he still wasn't on is classic level U have anything showing this shield creation?  And remember that the Collective wasn't just energy powers  Do you remember the list of mutants that were shown? "

" Thor. Col. hasn't fought anyone that is as durable as Thor. Mjolnir can just drain him. "

"@blackadam said:

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

"@blackadam: 
Thanks adam for that showing
I assumed Thor's hammer could absorb a degree of mystical energy 
Anything showing other energies that are current
 
@czarny_samael:  Superman was a bad example Even before he lost his title as Sorcerer Supreme, he still wasn't on is classic level U have anything showing this shield creation?  And remember that the Collective wasn't just energy powers  Do you remember the list of mutants that were shown? "

what does makes you think he can only absorb mystical energy? althought, mystical energies are differenmt form any pther source of energy, that does not he is limited to only absorbd mystical. this is a feat of energy absorbtion.   you said there is a differenre between clasic thor and current, i dont know about that, as of late other classic feats had been reference; in thor 613 they talk about how thor fight the midgard serpent, in astonishing thor he was talkin g about the effect a god bloast would have on ego the living planet, super speed shown in thor 617. so, i am starting to think there is really no difference at all.    "

He also one-shoted comet that was able to destroy Earth and rescue Rulk from death in Black Hole.
 
@StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @czarny_samael:  Superman was a bad example Even before he lost his title as Sorcerer Supreme, he still wasn't on is classic level U have anything showing this shield creation?  And remember that the Collective wasn't just energy powers  Do you remember the list of mutants that were shown? "

1.Unitil it is said that someone is depowered, all his feats count. Time between current comics and oldest doesn't matter. 2.It isn't a clear shield like Cap's. He channeling energy and blocking his enemy from releasing from it or using any other pwoer on Thor. It works like shield, but it isn't shield. I am sure that we already had that discussion, so I thought You would know what I've mean. Do You remember my scans with Thor draining Presence? 3.Pointer don't have their powers. He convert them into pure energy. "

"
@StrongestOneThereIs:  
 
Just added every mutant NAMED on panel as being power sources for the Collective during New Avengers if it helps any.  
 
Collective  "

" @czarny_samael:
 @blackadam:  Was it ever said that Strange was depowered before losing the title? I don't think so. And everyone here notes classic Strange is different in power level   Not sure what is being stated by the blackhole thing "

" @Achilles. said:

" Thor. Col. hasn't fought anyone that is as durable as Thor. Mjolnir can just drain him. "

Drain what?  That is what we are discussing. You have some insight to this? We are debating energies other than mystical  And Sentry has shown a level of durability equal to Thor in my opinion "

" @czarny_samael: current thor is no way the same as classic thor the feat what he did in chaos war is yet to be explain (read the top of your scan)an after doing such a feat he would have no change back to Donald Blake an this is 1 of his biggest feat so far hope marvel gives a good explanation for this  it would be nice to see him become the powerhouse again "

" @tensor said:

" @czarny_samael: current thor is no way the same as classic thor the feat what he did in chaos war is yet to be explain (read the top of your scan)an after doing such a feat he would have no change back to Donald Blake an this is 1 of his biggest feat so far hope marvel gives a good explanation for this  it would be nice to see him become the powerhouse again "

Current Thor isn't as powerfull as Classic. He also isn't near that powerfull. He also isn't more powerfull. 
He is Classic Thor. He don't have to prove anything. He never was depowered. He only got up-grade like Runes or Odinforce. He lost them, but he know is the same one who fought with Celestials and used God Blast on Galactus. "

" @czarny_samael said:

" @tensor said:

" @czarny_samael: current thor is no way the same as classic thor the feat what he did in chaos war is yet to be explain (read the top of your scan)an after doing such a feat he would have no change back to Donald Blake an this is 1 of his biggest feat so far hope marvel gives a good explanation for this  it would be nice to see him become the powerhouse again "

Current Thor isn't as powerfull as Classic. He also isn't near that powerfull. He also isn't more powerfull. 
He is Classic Thor. He don't have to prove anything. He never was depowered. He only got up-grade like Runes or Odinforce. He lost them, but he know is the same one who fought with Celestials and used God Blast on Galactus. "

I can't agree with you here Their are many characters that show greater feats in the past And lesser ones that negate them now And there has been nothing stated that depowers themExamples would be Gladiator, Strange, Hulk (before the current)   Thor use to match Hulk mostly in strength (which never seemed right)Now he can't beat him using strength alone "

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @czarny_samael said:

" @tensor said:

" @czarny_samael: current thor is no way the same as classic thor the feat what he did in chaos war is yet to be explain (read the top of your scan)an after doing such a feat he would have no change back to Donald Blake an this is 1 of his biggest feat so far hope marvel gives a good explanation for this  it would be nice to see him become the powerhouse again "

Current Thor isn't as powerfull as Classic. He also isn't near that powerfull. He also isn't more powerfull. 
He is Classic Thor. He don't have to prove anything. He never was depowered. He only got up-grade like Runes or Odinforce. He lost them, but he know is the same one who fought with Celestials and used God Blast on Galactus. "

I can't agree with you here Their are many characters that show greater feats in the past And lesser ones that negate them now And there has been nothing stated that depowers themExamples would be Gladiator, Strange, Hulk (before the current)   Thor use to match Hulk mostly in strength (which never seemed right)Now he can't beat him using strength alone "

All of thier loses to weaker characters is PIS. Until someone is depower, he shouldn't lose to wekaer character. Lesser ones don't negate best feats. "

" @czarny_samael: current thor is no way the same as classic thor the feat what he did in chaos war is yet to be explain (read the top of your scan)an after doing such a feat he would have no change back to Donald Blake an this is 1 of his biggest feat so far hope marvel gives a good explanation for this  it would be nice to see him become the powerhouse again "

" @czarny_samael:
  @blackadam:  Was it ever said that Strange was depowered before losing the title? I don't think so. And everyone here notes classic Strange is different in power level   Not sure what is being stated by the blackhole thing "

" @blackadam: ok fine i agree on that, miss that bit out just look it over an saw that, but marvel need to explain the  power that  help him  pull through the battle what is it? "

"@StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @czarny_samael:
  @blackadam:  Was it ever said that Strange was depowered before losing the title? I don't think so. And everyone here notes classic Strange is different in power level   Not sure what is being stated by the blackhole thing "

the black hole thing is to show thor is faster than light in space; light can't scape a black hole. so, was flying ftl to scape the gravitational pull of the black hole "

" @czarny_samael said:

" All of thier loses to weaker characters is PIS. Until someone is depower, he shouldn't lose to wekaer character. Lesser ones don't negate best feats. "

History negates their best feats Do you have a reason why Thor wouldn't fall under the same conditions as the others Or do you disagree with the masses that these characters are different from their classic versions? "

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @czarny_samael said:

" All of thier loses to weaker characters is PIS. Until someone is depower, he shouldn't lose to wekaer character. Lesser ones don't negate best feats. "

History negates their best feats Do you have a reason why Thor wouldn't fall under the same conditions as the others Or do you disagree with the masses that these characters are different from their classic versions? "

No, it don't. All heroes have better and worse showings. Would You say that Firelord is weak because he losed to Spider-Man? PIS don't count. If someone did something once, he can do it again (if he wasn't depowered). Masses? Who cares about masses? And for the record, most people here belives in all feats. No matter when they happened. "