Strength superman wins that hands down.Durability now that depends If Its a magic attack well thor wins in that department ,now if its just brute force superman wins in that area .as for energy attacks that also can go either way depending on the attack.
I was looking for feats of proof to prove a point but I guess we can just break it down DnD style lol.
@TheSecondOpinion: Also this was base SOLEY on Strength and Durability.
Strength & Durability are on the list. I just added everything else because it's bound to be discussed anyway.
Note: In case you are wondering why I stated that Initial Strength and Durability go to Superman and Potential go to Thor is really quite simple. By Initial, we assume a place and that place is Earth. Superman is powered by the radiation of the sun which is by the way a yellow star. So that is his initial strength and durability. There are much more Red Stars in the universe. In fact, the largest star found today is a Red Star. These are places were Thor deem supreme over Superman.
Yellow Star = Superman strength & durability is initially greater than Thor
Anywhere else with no Star or Red Star, Thor makes Superman look human or less.
Superman after the silver age is an idiot, incapable of doing anything without whining, struggling or crying afterwards. But, he still wipes the floor with Thor in most ever way. Also, thesecondopinion is trolling.
Fighting Ability = Thor, Superman today is a pansy compared to what he used to be in the silver age
Intelligence = Superman
Wisdom = Thor
Energy Projection: Thor
Initial Strength = Superman
Initial Durability = Superman
Potential Strength = Superman ( 15k year sun dip superman > Odin )
Potential Durability = Superman
Will Power = Thor, Superman quits easy
Astral Mental Power = Thor
Speed = Superman
Agility (reflexes, reaction time, nimbleness) = Superman
Superman after the silver age is an idiot, incapable of doing anything without whining, struggling or crying afterwards. But, he still wipes the floor with Thor in most ever way. Also, thesecondopinion is trolling.
Fighting Ability = Thor, Superman today is a pansy compared to what he used to be in the silver age
Intelligence = Superman
Wisdom = Thor
Energy Projection: Thor
Initial Strength = Superman
Initial Durability = Superman
Potential Strength = Superman ( 15k year sun dip superman > Odin )
Potential Durability = Superman
Will Power = Thor, Superman quits easy
Astral Mental Power = Thor
Speed = Superman
Agility (reflexes, reaction time, nimbleness) = Superman
As a number of posters on this site are aware, this particular feat of Thor has oft been used by Thorbags to insinuate that Thor's upperlimit in terms of physical strength is on a planetary scale :
However, what Thor did there , and what a number of people on the battle forums have passed it to be , is similar to the assertion that Superman is capable of blowing planets with his heat vision, or holding them in his hand , based on these scans , where he is in the New Gods world, interacting with the normal(mainstream DC) universe . Similar statements regarding the New Gods can be made as well , based on this scaling up phenomenon :
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Now , to begin with , the Serpent didn't encoil Earth in normal space , it went into the Void(notice its size in Asgard-space , nowhere near continent , country or even city wide) :
Again , here the Serpent is mentioned to be in its ethereal form , in the regular Earth-Space :
That's why , as Thor mentions here , he'll have to venture to Asgard to deal with the Serpent there , as it was crushing Earth in normal space :
Once there , Thor coerces Hamir the Giant to help him travel by the former's ship to the Void between Earth and Asgard and uses the Hamir's Bull as a bait to fish out the Serpent :
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Now that all concerned parties are in the Void , its made (painfully so for the Thorbags) clear that the Serpent is nowhere near continent sized(let alone of planetary proportions) . In fact its of normal monstrous proportions relative to even Thor himself :
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In fact it is essentially stated by the narrative here that in the Void , space and time don't operate normally :
Within the context of Thor # 327(in which the above discussed feat takes place) , the Void(like the differently scaled New Gods Dimension that I showed as an analogical reference point in the beginning of my post) between Asgard-space and Earth-space doesn't follow the normal rules of space-time . Hence why despite being big enough to wrap up the whole planet within its coils while in the Void , the Midgard Serpent was still relatively small enough for Thor to use a mouth-fitting bull to fish it off from Earth . This is why the Serpent is , in proportion to Thor , roughly as big as what a Pleistocene era sea monster would be in comparison to a normal man .
To sum up : this feat is far less than what its been made out to be for so many years on the Comicvine Battle Forums . Its not even close to planetary-level strength .
Thor is not weak compared to Superman. That's just DC fanboyism rhetoric.
Here's a taste of Thor's power:
And large numbers already are quantified as Thor leg presses millions of tons of rock onto the Destroyer, from Journey Into Mystery #119:
At the conclusion of Acts of Vengeance, Thor closes a chasm of a "million tons of earth" over Loki, from West Coast Avengers #55:
Here Thor crushes a force-field of the Power Cosmic (amped by Loki's power) that keeps him from Mjolnir, from Silver Surfer #4:
Here, Thor destroys another of Silver Surfer's force-fields with a single strike, fromSilver Surfer #4:
Indeed, his punch is so powerful that combined with a punch of equal strength, it is capable of actually closing dimensional rifts, from Avengers #100:
As for pure collateral damage, a single punch met with the same force has leveled a countryside, from Thor #338:
And with repeated blows? Thor and Red Norvell literally wreck Asgard with their fist-fight and almost deafen Heimdall, from Thor #476:
Thor resists a force "as though half a planet" were bearing down on him, from Thor#140:
Thor resists the gravimetric pull akin to "that of a neutron star" and busts out, fromThor #281:
True to the rest of his feats, Thor's pure blunt force durability is immense. Here, he is unharmed by a cheap shot of Wonderman's in Avengers #9:
He takes a full shot by the Wrecker who isn't sharing his power (who has nearly killed Colossus with such a blow), and then is rammed by a subway train, from Thor #171:
Thor survives the concussive blast of vibro-mines which are capable of shattering apart alien steel in Thor #281:
Thor gets pummeled by a gang of villains including Doctor Octopus, Titania and the Wrecking Crew and swats them away, from Secret Wars #4:
And if that's not impressive enough, he's also no-selled a pummelling by both Maxam and Drax (w/ Power Gem) in Thor #469:
And what does "a blow that could shatter diamonds" do? It makes Thor blink, fromAvengers #401:
Thor has resisted extreme ranges of heat throughout his career. Thor doesn't even register a reaction when immersed in lava, from Avengers #5:
Thor walks around inside the furnace of the trolls, whose fires were used to forge Mjolnir, from Thor #211:
Magical fire-bolts engulf Thor to no effect, from Thor #292:
Ghost Rider's pure hellfire blasts are useless in Avengers #214:
Cosmic fire-bolts from the Herald, Firelord, have a similarly negligible effect in Thor#306:
And Thor has literally stood in the center of the Sun while confronting Atum in Thor Annual #14:
On the opposite end of the spectrum, Thor effortlessly resists arctic forces summoned by the Executioner in one of his first fights in Journey Into Mystery #103:
The Deviant, Ereshkigal, also tries to entrap Thor in an icy prison to no avail, fromThor #284:
And he repeats his first feat nearly 30 years later against a replica Executioner, fromThor #403:
Thor's also resisted great magnitudes of energy projection. Here, he resists the "devastating energy of an exploding sun" from the Executioner's axe, from Journey Into Mystery #103:
Thanos' fleet nails Thor with a salvo of energy blasts and the mere indirect impact knocks both Captain Marvel and Ironman unconscious in Marvel Two-In-One Annual#2:
Thor is not only immune to electricity blasts, but indeed refreshed by them as shown in Thor #288:
One of his most impressive feats, Thor survives being rocked by multiple blasts by the Fourth Host of Celestials, from Thor #300:
Thor's unconscious body isn't even destroyed by a Doomsday Bomb capable of destroying a planet, from Thor #387:
Catches Ego(Ego is traveling thousands of times FTL):
While not easily apparent, Thor does have traditional superpowers that are not dependent on Mjolnir. He is after all, the God of Thunder, and he's fired lightning bolts from his hands in Journey Into Mystery #93:
He is also capable of projecting energy in powerful omni-directional blasts. He first does so in Avengers Annual #7:
@boostergold321: To be fair as usual with most Thor scans they are as old as dirt, yes the OP says classic but Thor is rarely if ever presented at that level in recent issues.
Superman after the silver age is an idiot, incapable of doing anything without whining, struggling or crying afterwards. But, he still wipes the floor with Thor in most ever way. Also, thesecondopinion is trolling.
Fighting Ability = Thor, Superman today is a pansy compared to what he used to be in the silver age
Intelligence = Superman
Wisdom = Thor
Energy Projection: Thor
Initial Strength = Superman
Initial Durability = Superman
Potential Strength = Superman ( 15k year sun dip superman > Odin )
Potential Durability = Superman
Will Power = Thor, Superman quits easy
Astral Mental Power = Thor
Speed = Superman
Agility (reflexes, reaction time, nimbleness) = Superman
External Forces (power) = Superman
Dexterity = Superman
Comprehension = Superman
Vitality = Superman
I agree 15k years of just living on earth still works...
Superman was chosen to be a green lantern but abin sur said it had to be a human so the ring chose Hal. Superman has better will than thor
Did anyone read that entire wall of text and scans above? No? Didn't think so. Superman > Thor.
Good day
Considering that you ignored that there's no sundip Superman, and the fact that you ignored that guy's entire post (Which I DID read btw). I'd say you're not fit to comment on this thread. Good day to you sir
@jashro44: It is wrong. Point of Thor vs. Midgard Serpent, isn't lifting him. It is overmuscling him. Thor overmuscled being that was going to crush whole planet.
Did anyone read that entire wall of text and scans above? No? Didn't think so. Superman > Thor.
Good day
Seriously? Is this how people are "victorious" in debates these days? By ignoring an entire post of text and scans? No disrespect, but that is atrocious.
And yes, I did read it. Not all, but a significant portion.
Did anyone read that entire wall of text and scans above? No? Didn't think so. Superman > Thor.
Good day
Seriously? Is this how people are "victorious" in debates these days? By ignoring an entire post of text and scans? No disrespect, but that is atrocious.
And yes, I did read it. Not all, but a significant portion.
As a baseline, Thor's strength is greater than Superman's, especially with the Megingjord(his belt that can increase his strength). The thing that makes Thor, eventually, lose in a contest of strength, is the fact that his all-round power level is static, while Superman's all-round power level can continue to increase indefinitely.
Off the top of my head, Superman's Durability is more impressive. But on the other hand, Superman has distinct weaknesses in his durability, Kryptonite being the most prominent one, while Red Sunlight and Magic are lesser weaknesses, while Thor, as far as I know, has no distinct weaknesses. There is also the fact though, that just like with Strength, Thor's durability is static, while Superman's can continuously increase.
In an all-round contest, Thor, again, wins as a baseline, due to having a considerably larger variety of powers, abilities and skills, while Superman wins in the long run, due to the static nature of Thor's powers.
@AllStarSuperman: when was Superman chosen to be a green lantern and then rejected because he's not human, which seems weird due to the fact at the time there were no human lanterns
Stop using the "speed-blitzing" for every argument. It doesn't apply the same way to characters of like power levels.
The speed of a strike is determined by the amount of force put into it. The harder a person hits, the faster the strike will travel. The fact that these guys have tremendous power but have light amount body mass in comparison to that power means they will be able to move extremely fast.
Being super-powered usually goes beyond have super-powered muscles since super-powered people are usually different on a genetic level. They should have perceptions different to normal humans. Their senses and thus, the speed at which their brain processes information will be proportionally elevated. Super-powered people who are physical equals (or at least in one way when it comes to those who are strictly speedsters) should be on the same the level when it comes to the speed of the strike and their reaction time. Keeping the pace shouldn't be a problem.
No one can exert full strength and thus operate at top combat-speed 100 percent of the time.
It is power (focused and fully brought out) that determines speed. Speed of travel requires force.
Superhuman Durability:
Of course their bodies are super-dense and made to handle to pressure it puts on itself as it goes against the force of other objects, able to withstand their own rebounding force or power that is akin to theirs. Character like the flash I assume, have another temporary and spontaneous solution to keep their bodies together.
"The force of light-speed isn't the end-all and be all" :
May I remind people that the force of light-speed travel and faster-than-light-speed travel is not the end-all and be-all of the universe power because if it was, no one would be discussing how many times in excess of light-speed can someone go. There is always greater force to be achieved. light-speed and any other speed are merely finite measurements in a infinite universe; Finite forces that can always be surpassed by an even greater force.
As for the argument of the "infinite mass punch",
Mass is synonymous with inertia or momentum, an object's resistance to movement in a state of excitement or rest which also the same as energy.
Things going at the speed of light or faster may have "uncountable mass" by our puny earthling standards, increased in inertia to a great degree, but not infinite. Saying things that go at the speed of light or faster have "infinite mass" is like saying any car going at 300mph is all-powerful. The energy of the universe is not limited to power of lightspeed, even if light-speed is extremely fast and furiously mighty by human standards.
when discussing these character please at least follow the most simple laws of physics, three laws of motion:
1. Mass is synonymous with inertia or momentum, an object's resistance to movement in a state of excitement or rest which also the same as energy.
Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.
2. Force is equal to an objects mass times it's acceleration, F= M x A
The relationship between an object's mass m, its accelerationa, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector.
3. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
For example: just because a person is super strong doesn't mean the object they grab or the platform they stand and move on is as strong as them
@AllStarSuperman: when was Superman chosen to be a green lantern and then rejected because he's not human, which seems weird due to the fact at the time there were no human lanterns
my bad idk what comic its in but ive see it on the hal jordan vs superman threads, it didnt have to be a human it just had to be from the same space sector
@jashro44: It is wrong. Point of Thor vs. Midgard Serpent, isn't lifting him. It is overmuscling him. Thor overmuscled being that was going to crush whole planet.
Seems like the only reason he was crushing the earth was because he was in the void to me. That's what the scans are telling me. As Hyper God mentioned in his post I don't see a difference between thors midgard serpent feat and superman holding planets in the new god world.
For the record I am not arguing superman is stronger I just don't see the midgard serpent feat as a showing that puts thor above superman. His other feats are pretty impressive and they might make him stronger...But not the serpent.
Superman does have the physical strength advantage over Thor, but Thor has the durability advantage. Thor was able to tank a supernova, while Superman was KO'ed. Superman is shown tanking hits from high herald level beings, while Thor is tanking hits from Skyfather's, Hell Lords, and even Celestials & Galactus ! To be honest, the only advantages Superman has over Thor is speed, reflexes, and more physical strength. In-which case his physical strength won't be able to match Thor using Mjolnir, which has downed Skyfather's, andput holes in Celestials Amour. Also Thor is one of the heroes out of Marvel & DC to have the most power potential. Thor is the son of Odin the skyfather, and argurably the most powerful skyfather in Mavel. He has just recently redirected a multiversal destroying blast, and in the past has destroyed galaxies. Galaxies contain lots of solar systems, and billions of stars, and planets.So imagine that power. Than we have Gaea the mother godess, and Elder Godess. We have seen time, and time again that Elder Gods are more poweful than Skyfather's. So, just think about Odin's power, but greater. Plus Gaea was supposly the one who helped give Hercules his ultra poweful, multiverse warping powers, and guess what? Thor is the son of both these poweful beings. So he is half Norse God, and half Elder God. Thor over the years has been shown to slowly develop his powers. As when he excepted his heritage from Gaea, he was able to make Quasams, because his mother is the god of earth. Odin wanted Thor to surpass him, which will happen in the future, and when it happens don't expect Superman to be any close to Thor. Thor will be insanly powerful.
@jashro44: It is wrong. Point of Thor vs. Midgard Serpent, isn't lifting him. It is overmuscling him. Thor overmuscled being that was going to crush whole planet.
Seems like the only reason he was crushing the earth was because he was in the void to me. That's what the scans are telling me. As Hyper God mentioned in his post I don't see a difference between thors midgard serpent feat and superman holding planets in the new god world.
For the record I am not arguing superman is stronger I just don't see the midgard serpent feat as a showing that puts thor above superman. His other feats are pretty impressive and they might make him stronger...But not the serpent.
I am not taking any side here either. To clarify: -Midgard Serpent was going to destroy Earth (it was said in that scan) -Thor overmuscled him, when MS was using that kind of strength. Ergo: Thor proved to be stronger than being that can crush whole planet.
@czarny_samael666: Yea but thing is thor was in the void. The only reason the Serpent was crushing the Earth was because he was in the Void. And Thor had to go there with him. If it took place on the same dimensional plane as the Earth I doubt the serpent would have crushed the Earth.
@czarny_samael666: Yea but thing is thor was in the void. The only reason the Serpent was crushing the Earth was because he was in the Void. And Thor had to go there with him. If it took place on the same dimensional plane as the Earth I doubt the serpent would have crushed the Earth.
What proof was there that lame Hypergod made that the Void makes it lesser? Assumption only?
So the original "Thor lifting the Midgard serpent" has been debunked, but what about issue 379 where thor (weakened by a curse from hela) actually lifts a part of the Midgard serpent, then disguised as Fin Fang Foom. He lifts his leg which supports about half the weight of the whole serpent. In the next issue, the serpent is so large you cannot see his end and may infact wrap around the world.
So the original "Thor lifting the Midgard serpent" has been debunked, but what about issue 379 where thor (weakened by a curse from hela) actually lifts a part of the Midgard serpent, then disguised as Fin Fang Foom. He lifts his leg which supports about half the weight of the whole serpent. In the next issue, the serpent is so large you cannot see his end and may infact wrap around the world.
Superman for both. Will elaborate later, but it is thrilling to see that this thread follows the proud Thor thread standard of as many out of context scans as are possible to post.
Superman for both. Will elaborate later, but it is thrilling to see that this thread follows the proud Thor thread standard of as many out of context scans as are possible to post.
@czarny_samael666: Yea but thing is thor was in the void. The only reason the Serpent was crushing the Earth was because he was in the Void. And Thor had to go there with him. If it took place on the same dimensional plane as the Earth I doubt the serpent would have crushed the Earth.
What proof was there that lame Hypergod made that the Void makes it lesser? Assumption only?
We see that when the midgard serpent is in asgard its not that big. Thor went to asgard to move the serpent for a reason. It was also stated that the void doesn't follow the normal rules of space and time so who knows what that does to the feat as well. There are a lot of factors in the feat that make it to hard to gauge. I am sure thor has other planet feats but I don't think the midgard serpent is one of them.
@TheGodofThunder said:
So the original "Thor lifting the Midgard serpent" has been debunked, but what about issue 379 where thor (weakened by a curse from hela) actually lifts a part of the Midgard serpent, then disguised as Fin Fang Foom. He lifts his leg which supports about half the weight of the whole serpent. In the next issue, the serpent is so large you cannot see his end and may infact wrap around the world.
Is there an on panel statement where it is stated the serpent coils the entire planet? Or are you guessing based on the fact we can't see the end of the tail?
@Killemall I know you have read the issue with the midgard serpent do you think you can probably explain it better?
@jashro44: No, there is no statement of how big he actually is, but he is quite large at least, lol. If you look at the bottom of the picture you can see him stretch into the horizon. The horizon is 17 miles away so he is at least 17 miles long.
Did anyone read that entire wall of text and scans above? No? Didn't think so. Superman > Thor.
Good day
Seriously? Is this how people are "victorious" in debates these days? By ignoring an entire post of text and scans? No disrespect, but that is atrocious.
And yes, I did read it. Not all, but a significant portion.
You can talk all you want about these 2 catogories, but no one wins since both have equal amount of feats. Thor is marval's main man, while superman is dc's main man. This is just a debate over fanboys and fangirls debating over their favorite characters.
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