What, you don't trust me? As if I would lie about something so trivial.
So fighting team consisted of Powergirl, Alan Scott, Wildcat, Terrific and Jay is impressive?
Well, Thor couldn't do it.
Martian can go intangible and she can't kill him by snapping his neck, he regenerated from pool of his own blood lol, so tell how it isn't PIS? He sudenly forgot he can become intangible or fry her face with heat vision?
You don't read much Martian Manhunter, do you?
Lobo has pulled starts from the sky
I've never heard of this feat. You sure it's not Silver Age?
Why couldn't Thor fight that team?
Why do you think I'm not reading MM?
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Strength of Kryptonians is nothing compared to Lobo's strength.
What, you don't trust me? As if I would lie about something so trivial.
So fighting team consisted of Powergirl, Alan Scott, Wildcat, Terrific and Jay is impressive?
Well, Thor couldn't do it.
Martian can go intangible and she can't kill him by snapping his neck, he regenerated from pool of his own blood lol, so tell how it isn't PIS? He sudenly forgot he can become intangible or fry her face with heat vision?
You don't read much Martian Manhunter, do you?
Lobo has pulled starts from the sky
I've never heard of this feat. You sure it's not Silver Age?
Apologies Thor fanboys but this is the most accurate answer. Kara can solo on her own, even without the ridiculous Loeb scans that have been posted on here. And as for the whole "Thor can bust a planet so that makes him better than Kara nyeyeye!" she's tanked flying through a moon with ease and tanked the Reactron bomb that blew up New Krypton. She was in a radiation chamber which protected her from the kryptonite but the explosion wouldn't have been protected by that cell. Kara is also much, much faster (why is this still contested) much quicker to react. And Thor's been chumped by Rachel Grey (without the Phoenix Force I might add), Moondragon, Red Skull with Xavier's brain and plenty of other no name telepaths too. Kara keeps up a physical assault whilst MM takes his mind. A two frontal assault is something Thor definitely can't handle.
While I think the team probably wins I fail to see how Kara could solo.\
When has Kara shown the kind of power output necessary to take Thor down? Thor has over planet level durability. In addition, while she is much faster than him, he definitely has enough raw power to put her down.
@wolverine08: People keeps pitting Thor against someone way above his league and rightfully so Thor losses.
Thor fans getting tired of Thor losing almost every battle he's in so they flame everyone hoping that this site ban any Thor battle thread like dbz vs x.
@wolverine08: People keeps pitting Thor against someone way above his league and rightfully so Thor losses.
Thor fans getting tired of Thor losing almost every battle he's in so they flame everyone hoping that this site ban any Thor battle thread like dbz vs x.
What are you talking about, Thor is not losing almost every battle, he won nearly all of them when he's not put against Flash or Martian. You said you're Thor fan too.
@lvenger: Ms. Martian and Supergirl vs Thor? Yes, the team have a better chance of winning but Kara solos? Thats a fanboy writing. The feats you named for Kara doesnt add up and is no where near Thors even if it means low balling Thor in the process. Thor is stronger than Supergirl, more durable, better stamina, way more powerful (with more powers) and you still have guts to say 'why is this still a contest'. Unbelievable
This thread's still going on????? Unless Thor's helmet of his protects him from mindr*** and he has an invincible shield like classic juggs, he gets whooped. Fortunately for him, he'll probably enjoy it :)
Apologies Thor fanboys but this is the most accurate answer. Kara can solo on her own, even without the ridiculous Loeb scans that have been posted on here. And as for the whole "Thor can bust a planet so that makes him better than Kara nyeyeye!" she's tanked flying through a moon with ease and tanked the Reactron bomb that blew up New Krypton. She was in a radiation chamber which protected her from the kryptonite but the explosion wouldn't have been protected by that cell. Kara is also much, much faster (why is this still contested) much quicker to react. And Thor's been chumped by Rachel Grey (without the Phoenix Force I might add), Moondragon, Red Skull with Xavier's brain and plenty of other no name telepaths too. Kara keeps up a physical assault whilst MM takes his mind. A two frontal assault is something Thor definitely can't handle.
This thread's still going on????? Unless Thor's helmet of his protects him from mindr*** and he has an invincible shield like classic juggs, he gets whooped. Fortunately for him, he'll probably enjoy it :)
Why do Thor threads always turn into flame wars? The great mystery of man kind.
Because some fans just can't deal with the fact that their character is inferior to some lesser known people. Either that or stupidity, I guess. CIN.
Rachel and Emma with 1/5 of the Phoenix Force weren't able to do literally nothing to Thor's mind. I believe Emma and Rachel with 1/5 of the Phoenix Force (the embodiment of all psionic power from the MU) >>> Ms. Martian.
Thor is much stronger and durable than both of them. Thor would only need a massive lightning bolt to kill Ms. Martian.
Just like that.
Lightning is a kind of fire and actually around 3 times hotter than the core of the Sun. Aren't Martians supposed to have weakness to fire or heat?
And before someone says something. Thor can calibrate both Mjolnir and his lightnings to hit intangible people.
After that, Supergirl (if survived from the lightning bolt, which is HIGHLY unlikely since Thor's lightnings are amped with magic) won't have much of a chance. Thor is stronger, more durable, is more powerful. AND has magic based attacks (some cosmic powers as well). Supergirl's advantage? Speed. Yet, no one actually showed a feat of speed to prove she is in fact faster than Superman (or at least as fast). People are saying Supergirl surpasses Superman in speed by showing travel speed feats (Superman was most likely holding back while Kara wanted to compete with him) and seemingly forget what they said when someone used some travel speed feats from Thor to make a case for Thor's combat speed. So it's okay if we use travel speed feats as combat speed then?
@lvenger: Ms. Martian and Supergirl vs Thor? Yes, the team have a better chance of winning but Kara solos? Thats a fanboy writing. The feats you named for Kara doesnt add up and is no where near Thors even if it means low balling Thor in the process. Thor is stronger than Supergirl, more durable, better stamina, way more powerful (with more powers) and you still have guts to say 'why is this still a contest'. Unbelievable
Again I'm thrown the "fanboy/lowballing" weak ass argument when Thor is one of my favourite characters. Then please tell me how Thor gets a hit on her. When he's been tagged by Mongoose, a guy who couldn't tag Spider-Man, Wolverine, couldn't hit Quicksilver and is constantly shown up in the speed department, how's he going to tag someone nearly as fast as Superman? She can tank Thor's hits as shown with these feats
Plus when she's punted Superman (without the Loeb drivel PIS) and shown comparable physical stats to Superman along with the propensity to speed blitz, Thor's key weakness on here, I don't see how Thor can keep up. He may be a bit stronger and more durable than her but it's not enough that a speed blitz won't wear him down eventually. Supergirl does stand a good chance of soloing Thor on her own I'm afraid so don't accuse competent arguments in favour of this argument as fanboyism and lowballing when you couldn't be absolutely further from the truth. Miss Martian's presence just makes it an even bigger win for the team since she can destroy his weak mental defences whilst Kara beats him physically.
@alessandro_souzamarques: Wow way to miss out a crucial scan where Rachel TPs the living snot out of him without the Phoenix Force. Yep definitely not a misleading argument in the slightest. Let's take a look at the full scan shall we?
Yep looks like Thor's getting chumped in the TP department. Again. And he got mind controlled by the Red Skull with Xavier's telepathic abilities so let's not forget that shall we?
@alessandro_souzamarques: Wow way to miss out a crucial scan where Rachel TPs the living snot out of him without the Phoenix Force. Yep definitely not a misleading argument in the slightest. Let's take a look at the full scan shall we?
Yep looks like Thor's getting chumped in the TP department. Again. And he got mind controlled by the Red Skull with Xavier's telepathic abilities so let's not forget that shall we?
I don't see where she TP'ed him?
She hit him with a psionic energy projection.
She didn't TP him, did you even look at the scan before you posted it?
@lvenger: Can you explain me in details how would this team win?
Supergirl speedblitzes him and can possibly beat him on her own whilst MM breaks down Thor's mind with her TP. Simple as that. For the sake of not having to argue about it, I'll say MM can't solo on her own but Supergirl can. The both of them make it too easy.
@alessandro_souzamarques: Wow way to miss out a crucial scan where Rachel TPs the living snot out of him without the Phoenix Force. Yep definitely not a misleading argument in the slightest. Let's take a look at the full scan shall we?
Yep looks like Thor's getting chumped in the TP department. Again. And he got mind controlled by the Red Skull with Xavier's telepathic abilities so let's not forget that shall we?
I don't see where she TP'ed him?
She hit him with a psionic energy projection.
She didn't TP him, did you even look at the scan before you posted it?
In my defense, the art in that scan is absolutely terrible and it wasn't clear whether it was a psionic energy projection or a TP bolt. My other point about Xavier still stands though.
@lvenger: Ms. Martian and Supergirl vs Thor? Yes, the team have a better chance of winning but Kara solos? Thats a fanboy writing. The feats you named for Kara doesnt add up and is no where near Thors even if it means low balling Thor in the process. Thor is stronger than Supergirl, more durable, better stamina, way more powerful (with more powers) and you still have guts to say 'why is this still a contest'. Unbelievable
Again I'm thrown the "fanboy/lowballing" weak ass argument when Thor is one of my favourite characters. Then please tell me how Thor gets a hit on her. When he's been tagged by Mongoose, a guy who couldn't tag Spider-Man, Wolverine, couldn't hit Quicksilver and is constantly shown up in the speed department, how's he going to tag someone nearly as fast as Superman? She can tank Thor's hits as shown with these feats
Plus when she's punted Superman (without the Loeb drivel PIS) and shown comparable physical stats to Superman along with the propensity to speed blitz, Thor's key weakness on here, I don't see how Thor can keep up. He may be a bit stronger and more durable than her but it's not enough that a speed blitz won't wear him down eventually. Supergirl does stand a good chance of soloing Thor on her own I'm afraid so don't accuse competent arguments in favor of this argument as fanboyism and lowballing when you couldn't be absolutely further from the truth. Miss Martian's presence just makes it an even bigger win for the team since she can destroy his weak mental defences whilst Kara beats him physically.
He gets tagged because Thor murders in all the other category's so if they displayed his speed then there would be nothing worth reading. But that shouldn't mean he isn't fast, there are 3 types of speed, travel = Thor, traverse = Supergirl. Combat speed is arguable,Thor has been stated to be as fast as the lightning he commands
Show me scans of Supergirl's combat being faster than lightning, Supergirl would not be able to speedblitz unless Thor's not looking, even so his reaction is top notch
And the scans you placed (as impressive as they are) didn't prove she can tank Thor's planet busting hits, she was moving at immense speed and picked up a large amount of momentum. Supergirl can possibly take one or two hits but anything more can take her down. So lets do a recap:
Strength: Thor
Durability: Thor
Power: Thor
Stamina Thor
h2h: Thor
Combat Speed is the only argument left which is nothing compared to these stats especially Thor's power (Omni-directional Lightning) which can easily cancel speed. So I repeat (with confidence) Supergirl doesnt stand a chance. And dont bring Miss Martian into this, I already stated that the team have a better chance of winning, I'm addressing your 'Kara solos' statement
He gets tagged because Thor murders in all the other category's so if they displayed his speed then there would be nothing worth reading. But that shouldn't mean he isn't fast, there are 3 types of speed, travel = Thor, traverse = Supergirl. Combat speed is arguable,Thor has been stated to be as fast as the lightning he commands
Wow because Adam Warlock is a totally credible judge of who can move fast. And it's not as if street levellers can't move like lightning
Unless you're Deathstroke that is
But Thor has microsecond reaction you say, that's something no street leveller can replicate
Unless you're Iron Fist that is. So I guess Thor isn't doing anything beyond street level speed and reactions then
Show me scans of Supergirl's combat being faster than lightning, Supergirl would not be able to speedblitz unless Thor's not looking, even so his reaction is top notch
Thanks for the chuckle, I do find it amusing that you've used this absolutely useless scan of Thor swatting arrows as a testimony of his reactions. Truly Supergirl is screwed if Thor can tag arrows when Supergirl moves at hypersonic+ combat speed...
And the scans you placed (as impressive as they are) didn't prove she can tank Thor's planet busting hits, she was moving at immense speed and picked up a large amount of momentum. Supergirl can possibly take one or two hits but anything more can take her down.
Who says Thor's busting out these level of hits? This is an in character fight, Thor doesn't use this level of attack on two unknown foes. Way to undermine your case by leaving out what Thor does in character, that just makes your argument all the worse for it. In any case, Kara tanked her new home planet exploding so I think you're the one who's lowballing now by saying she can only tank a few of Thor's best hits.
Strength: Thor - That I concede but his strength will be useless if Kara can dodge most of his hits which she will be able to since once she uses her speed which will leave Thor massively behind.
Durability: Thor - Can be overcome by Kara's speed blitz and Thor's mental defenses won't last particularly long against a Martian telepath
Power: Thor - True but that power is not applicable in combat. The long charge up times for Thor's bigger attacks make them useless against the faster and more versatilie Supergirl.
Stamina Thor - Not gonna last long against a speedblitz
h2h: Thor - I could seriously make a case for Supergirl being a better H2H combatant because she has actual skill feats but I'll let you have this one. Fighting skills don't come into play much in a powerhouse battle
Combat Speed is the only argument left which is nothing compared to these stats especially Thor's power (Omni-directional Lightning) which can easily cancel speed. So I repeat (with confidence) Supergirl doesnt stand a chance. And dont bring Miss Martian into this, I already stated that the team have a better chance of winning, I'm addressing your 'Kara solos' statement
Omni directional lightning is useless against someone faster than lightning. So I repeat with equal confidence in my argument, Thor can't take a majority against Supergirl. It'll take her longer than her cousin to beat him but she can take a fair majority over Thor. Once again speed and versatility from DC>raw power from Thor with slow reactions and speed to boot.
2. You missed the point cause he can see her coming so there wont be speed-blitzing but even if she tried surprise attack his reaction can prevent it. The arrows were inches away and Thor still had the time to turn his arm with Mjolnir and swat them away
3. A scan is needed of supergirl surviving the new planet explosion and true, Thor may not hit that hard cause its not needed as there are many other means to gain victory (wind, lightning, blunt force) while Thor's durability would stop Kara's attacks (Punches, heat vision) from winning on her part. Thor can exceed Kara's durability with his powers while it doesnt go like-wise
4.
Strength - You haven't provided evidence of Kara's combat speed so its not superior therefore strength is relevant
Durability - There's no speed-blitz
Power - Its applicable because he can emit lightning
I stated Omni-directional specifically cause of Kara's speed but she can only dodge so much and would eventually get hit (Thor's objective). Charging is not needed as long as it hits and causes damage leaving er vulnerable for other attacks. She stands no chance against Thor and why do you keep including Miss Martian? Unless you recognize Supergirl needs aid cause she cant take him on alone :)
@lvenger: Can you explain me in details how would this team win?
Supergirl speedblitzes him and can possibly beat him on her own whilst MM breaks down Thor's mind with her TP. Simple as that. For the sake of not having to argue about it, I'll say MM can't solo on her own but Supergirl can. The both of them make it too easy.
@alessandro_souzamarques: Wow way to miss out a crucial scan where Rachel TPs the living snot out of him without the Phoenix Force. Yep definitely not a misleading argument in the slightest. Let's take a look at the full scan shall we?
Yep looks like Thor's getting chumped in the TP department. Again. And he got mind controlled by the Red Skull with Xavier's telepathic abilities so let's not forget that shall we?
I don't see where she TP'ed him?
She hit him with a psionic energy projection.
She didn't TP him, did you even look at the scan before you posted it?
In my defense, the art in that scan is absolutely terrible and it wasn't clear whether it was a psionic energy projection or a TP bolt. My other point about Xavier still stands though.
Fair enough.
But I think Xavier's TP ability (even though it was Red Skull utilizing it) is greater than Ms. Martian's
In fairness, in that scan of Thor using lightning it doesn't actually seem like it even hits the wolf. It merely goes around him and he isn't even moving to avoid it. Plus at the bottom of the scan it shows that the majority of the lightning is being summoned from the clouds above, not coming from Thor's body(besides some coming from his eyes, which again is probably just to look cool).
Why do Thor threads always turn into flame wars? The great mystery of man kind.
It's because people blow his feats and low end feats out of proportion... either he's overrated or underrated. I would say he loses to Superman for the same reason as Hulk, not in a stomp but a very close fight, he's still more durable and arguably stronger than Superman. However, not all kryptonians are Superman... Which is something people tend to use as an excuse to overrate them. i.e using Superman's feats for Power Girl and Kara.
Well in the first picture, Mjolnir is starting the lightning while its spreading. The second pic shows the wolf being harmed and Thor lays him while its generated even more. The rest its overkill but if its that hard to tell then I'll post others at Lvenger's request
You can see the rumble sound effect of Thor's thunder in the first page, right after the alien finishes his prayer. I don't see the timeframe here being any longer than one minute (EXTREME LOW END). Thor states it was "a universe away" and "across the cosmos".
multi quadrillion times light speed reaction time and movement speed with mjolnir (can be applied to striking speed as well) FTW (extreme low end)
why do i have this feeling that someone is going to come and pathetically try to lowball this feat?
You can see the rumble sound effect of Thor's thunder in the first page, right after the alien finishes his prayer. I don't see the timeframe here being any longer than one minute (EXTREME LOW END). Thor states it was "a universe away" and "across the cosmos".
multi quadrillion times light speed reaction time and movement speed with mjolnir (can be applied to striking speed as well) FTW (extreme low end)
why do i have this feeling that someone is going to come and pathetically try to lowball this feat?
awesome scans. although now everyone seems to be changing their debate style and saying "thats just character statement it means nothing, just like spiderman saying so and so stalemated so and so" and also they say " wonderwoman said zoom hits harder than superman but thats not true because superman has almost one shot her and zoom didnt do that much damage".
so those people will say your scans are invalid because its thor saying it and not the writer. although theyre pretty damn awesome.
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