Takes place on Earth. No BFR. Monguls rungs are at full power at start of battle. Thor knows Mongul is coming and is a powerhouse but is unaware of Monguls rings.
Thor vs Mongul (With rings)
" Thor ftw Mjolnir>any rings in power, and Thor can deflect or drain any power thrown at him. "Can he really? I was thinking he could but I thought maybe i was wrong.
" @bumnut said:" Thor ftw Mjolnir>any rings in power, and Thor can deflect or drain any power thrown at him. "Can he really? I was thinking he could but I thought maybe i was wrong. "
He's disabbled Juggy's ff briefly with it, took out that virus at the end of Secret Invasion, taken out both SS & Warlock together with it. A ring that houses energy and needes replenishing is not a good thing around Mjolnir.
Mongul was smacking around Yat and several other Lanterns at the same time, Thor's plot device hammer won't save him here
taken out both SS & Warlock together with itDidn't Thor have a one of those Gems at the time, or was that Warlock that had one and Thor was in Warrior's Madness?
I think Tho can do it. His Hammer is PIS power, it can absorb Mogul's rings energy.
Yat was getting smacked around because he couldn't get access to the ion powers and his yellow sun energy was depleted. So Mogul with rings was technically fighting a normal green lantern until Yat sacrificed himself.
" @bumnut said:taken out both SS & Warlock together with itDidn't Thor have a one of those Gems at the time, or was that Warlock that had one and Thor was in Warrior's Madness?"
No, he didn't get the pg till the next issue/part after this, when he took on the watch and got it off Drax. He took on and soundly defeated SS & Warlock, who had the soulgem and used a karmic blast on Thor to no effect, and both ran at the end of the battle with Warlock having to lift SS out of the battle on Surfers own board as Warlock could control it, if he hadn't Surfer, and Warlock would have been out of contention. For the record, this was the second time he hammerd SS, first was only a few issues prior when he was about to take out BRB with a killing blow till SS rocked up, then he got the same. This was without any powerups, that didn't come till later when he aquired the PG from Drax, which was the next issue in the storyline, in Thor (469 part 5 which is at the bottom of this post) which came after the story below, which is part 4. Everything Thor did in this issue below was under his own powerset, no upgrades, he just wasn't holding back period and letting loose, being a little crazy.
"That's your basis of argument?? Critisizing the art?? "
Who are you to critcize my opioion?! The sheer arrogance! These are FICTIONAL characters!!!!11!
At any rate thats the basis of my art critcism, your argument just fails in general.
Using Thor pounding on the Surfer and warlock despite them holding back and trying to calm him isn't a good argument for beating Mongul who's stronger than either.
@TheJuggernautpunch: I thought Odin said thor was mentally imbalanced not Warrior's madness. He even created that Valkyrie from his fractured mind. Thor was crazy not Warriors madness i believe
@bumnut: not saying who wins but that Thor was fighting at full rage going crazy while SS/Warlock were trying to reason with him. So SS/Warlock were at "sparring" levels while Thor was at "fighting for the title" levels.I believe that's where alot of people get confused with Blood & Thunder, that Thor wasn't in Warrior Madness mode, but mentally unbalanced.
@TheJuggernautpunch: I thought Odin said thor was mentally imbalanced not Warrior's madness. He even created that Valkyrie from his fractured mind. Thor was crazy not Warriors madness i believe
@Poooty: SS/Warlock being in 'Sparring' mode doesn't really ring true for me or the story, they were there to stop Thor, sure, they didn't really want to hurt him, but in the end, they didn't/couldn't even incapacitate him, and ran before he could do more damage. He was a serious threat, and were trying to contain him, and new he was gonna be a threat to innocents anywhere he was involved, so i'm sure they didn't do a runner cause they simply didn't want to hurt him, I honestly believe cause they didn't have sufficient power to contain him given his state of mind, imo.
I get confused.. is this Mongul the original Mongul with some power rings? Or is it still one of his Sons/Offspring? The Original Mongul used to be a Darkseid level threat, but once Darkseid joined the DCU formerly they just used him less since there were alot of similarities between the characters and Darkseid brought with him a more interesting stable of supporting characters. Mongul's son's and offspring have never impressed me.. but if this is the orginal article I definatly think he has a chance of taking Thor.
@bumnut said:" Thor ftw Mjolnir>any rings in power, and Thor can deflect or drain any power thrown at him. "Can he really? I was thinking he could but I thought maybe i was wrong.
Needless bump but i say Thor after the fight of his life. Mongul has handed it to superman more than once in the past.I think your thinking of his father, Mongul Snr. I don't believe Jnr has ever handled Superman effeciently, in fact, I think it's the other way around, Superman has never needed any help with Jnr, from what I can remember.
@pooty said:
@bumnut: If either Warlock or Surfer went crazy and bloodlusted and Thor was only trying to contain either of them, they would wipe the floor with him as well. When battling Thor if you hold back he will beat you. But we have seen Thor vs Surfer and it was never that easy. Thor was never that dominate. And the comic writers needed to bring Thanos and Odin into the story. Another reason they ran.You know how you here alot being said that Thor generally holds back alot, well, I believe one of the purposes of this (Blood & Thunder) storyline was to also see a Thor unleashed who doesn't hold back, imo, and as was shown, was quite a scary thing. I do understand where your comming from and trying to say, Pooty :-)
@scarbearer said:
I get confused.. is this Mongul the original Mongul with some power rings? Or is it still one of his Sons/Offspring? The Original Mongul used to be a Darkseid level threat, but once Darkseid joined the DCU formerly they just used him less since there were alot of similarities between the characters and Darkseid brought with him a more interesting stable of supporting characters. Mongul's son's and offspring have never impressed me.. but if this is the orginal article I definatly think he has a chance of taking Thor.No, it's not original Mongul. There was Mongul during PC days. Then post COIE after the retcon, Mongul came back as he did in the pc days, as in he was a warlord who controlled Warworld and Superman ran into him when he exiled himself from earth after killing the alternate earth Zod and his gan, and over guilt of killing them with K, he exiled himself into deepspace, and was a bit of a shamble, with beard and no costume, and got caught/collected by Mongul for his gladiatorial games. He eventually defeated Mongul and returned to earth not long after. His second apearance I believe is when the Cyborg Superman aka Hank Henshaw, took control of Warwold and Mongul (since he was in charge at that point) and used Mongul and Warwarld iin Reign of the Superman and it was Mongul who destroyed Coast City on Cyborg/Henshaw's orders. GL Jordan defeated him (with a broken arm, no less). Mongul Snr died, pretty much instantly in Underworld when Neron snapped his neck and took his soul. That's when Mongul Jnr entered after that, and his sister Mongal, who'm Mongul Jnr later killed by punching her head off! Hope that helps you out.
@bumnut said:Your arrogance knows no bounds!!!!!!!"That's your basis of argument?? Critisizing the art?? "Who are you to critcize my opioion?! The sheer arrogance! These are FICTIONAL characters!!!!11! At any rate thats the basis of my art critcism, your argument just fails in general. Using Thor pounding on the Surfer and warlock despite them holding back and trying to calm him isn't a good argument for beating Mongul who's stronger than either.
anyways.... It's not a great argument, but as posted earlier in this thread, surfer and warlock couldn't even slow thor down.
Also mongul may be stronger than either, but surfer should be able to take him. Hm. maybe i should start that thread...
@bumnut: IMO if Surfer and Thor fought with the same mindset it would be a massive battle with no clear winner. It's not a stomp for either person. In "Blood/Thunder" it was a stomp because one was holding back.
there about to fight with the same mind set in next issue of thor...
& this would be a good battle, very tough on whoever wins
Sodam Yat would absolutely crush Thor and Mongul annihilated him and many more lanterns simultaneously so in reality this is a mismatchI don't believe so, imo. Thor's hammer>>rings on Mongul's fingers. Thor's fought and taken down much more serious heavy cosmic hitters than Mongul Jnr. Thor in a good fight.
Without PIS Thor takes it. If you put into account Mongul has consistently beaten WW who i believe is stronger than Thor. But that's just me. Mongul's a lot stronger and he fights dirty. I just can't decide. If it was Classic Mongul,Thor dies.
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