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#1 Posted by WillPayton (9581 posts) - - Show Bio

Team: Aquaman, Guy Gardner, Hawkman, Red Tornado, Steel

VS

Thor

Pre-52, standard equipment. Aquaman has Water Hand and is out of the water 15 minutes. Win by KO, incapacitation, or death.

Thor is bloodlusted, but in character. The team is not bloodlusted, but they know Thor is and they're not holding back. They know he can take their best hits. They'll try to KO him is possible, but killing him is not out of the question.

Can the team put down the God of Thunder?

#2 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins. Steel can possibly solo with the Entropy Aegis, he brought Superman to his knees in 2 pages.

Also how can Thor be both bloodlusted and in character?

#3 Posted by WillPayton (9581 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins. Steel can possibly solo with the Entropy Aegis, he brought Superman to his knees in 2 pages.

Also how can Thor be both bloodlusted and in character?

No Entropy Aegis for Steel, sorry. Just his regular non-Aegis armor/equipment.

Being bloodlusted and being in-character are different things.

#4 Edited by Fallschirmjager (18460 posts) - - Show Bio

You need to take away Aquaman's water hand, because with it team stomps. Dispels magic + possible instant kill via dehydration. I don't know that Thor could die this way, but the dispelling of his magic would cause serious problems he could not over come, at least.

also...I object to Aquaman being labeled a b-teamer. :)

#5 Posted by Kid_Cool (182 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably the B team, they could overwhelm the Thunder God. + Does Thor have any godlike abilities? Cause a guy said he's omnipotent.

#6 Posted by GhostRavage (9211 posts) - - Show Bio

I can see Thor losing after a good battle... Probably the same stuff as in Siege.

#7 Edited by brainstorm01 (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kid_Cool:

no he is not omnipotent(not even near)

for this fight if team have strategy they wins if not then thor

#8 Posted by Kid_Cool (182 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Edited by Ancient_0f_Days (12346 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman and Red Tornado can possibly solo. Actually they can solo, Aquaman with telepathy (enhanced by the water hand) and magic disruption, Red was able to solo the Justice League twice when his morals were off and wasn't holding back due to the fact that he is a wind elemental.

I feel that if Hawkman stepped back and let Steel take his Nth Metal Mace, he'd have a good chance of taking on Thor by himself based on the fact that he was able to tango with the Eradicator and a Doomsday clone who could adapt on the fly and regenerate. Steel wouldn't beat Thor at all under those conditions, but it'd be at least a few minutes before he'd go down. Guy has about the same chances as Steel with Hawkman's Mace. All in all, Team wins 8/10

#10 Posted by HolySerpent (12657 posts) - - Show Bio

The team wins. Guy Garner by himself will give thor trouble

#11 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1707 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman and Red Tornado can possibly solo. Actually they can solo, Aquaman with telepathy (enhanced by the water hand) and magic disruption, Red was able to solo the Justice League twice when his morals were off and wasn't holding back due to the fact that he is a wind elemental.

I feel that if Hawkman stepped back and let Steel take his Nth Metal Mace, he'd have a good chance of taking on Thor by himself based on the fact that he was able to tango with the Eradicator and a Doomsday clone who could adapt on the fly and regenerate. Steel wouldn't beat Thor at all under those conditions, but it'd be at least a few minutes before he'd go down. Guy has about the same chances as Steel with Hawkman's Mace. All in all, Team wins 8/10

Aquaman is not going to solo via TP. Thor has massive TP resistance, it has only been said about a million times.

#12 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman and Gardner are enough on a good day.

All five of them take Thor down convincingly.

#13 Posted by XiiX (8809 posts) - - Show Bio

JLA.

#14 Posted by jojjimbo (2472 posts) - - Show Bio

JL in a good fight.

#15 Edited by DarkRaiden (7769 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor stomps.

1. Show me Aquaman dispelling Skyfather magic, as Mjolnir is backed by Odin (nothing else is really magic for Thor)

2. THor's TP resistance is far greater than Aquaman's TP

3. Even without his hammer, he's strong enough to lift 20 planets and resist the gravity of stars, he oneshots everyone.

So yeah until these guys get planet+ durability to take on a Thor that's actually trying, they get stomped with ease. Thor bloodlusted can take on the JLA A team, the B-team he destroys. Spite.

#16 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Steel has taken blows from Eradicator, Doomsday, Supergirl, Earthquake and other people. He would survive a blow from Thor. Guy Gardener would be trouble as well, and also Aquaman with his hand.

#17 Posted by DarkRaiden (7769 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Steel has taken blows from Eradicator, Doomsday, Supergirl, Earthquake and other people. He would survive a blow from Thor. Guy Gardener would be trouble as well, and also Aquaman with his hand.

None of those people have the strength of Thor. Doomsday, Supergirl, none of them have 20+planet strength. If their hit even phases Steel, then Thor will oneshot them, as they're all planetary at best and he's at least 20x that.

#18 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

Red Tornado is a liability.

#19 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_viper said:

@darkraiden: Steel has taken blows from Eradicator, Doomsday, Supergirl, Earthquake and other people. He would survive a blow from Thor. Guy Gardener would be trouble as well, and also Aquaman with his hand.

None of those people have the strength of Thor. Doomsday, Supergirl, none of them have 20+planet strength. If their hit even phases Steel, then Thor will oneshot them, as they're all planetary at best and he's at least 20x that.

Supergirl didn't even bother him. Dommsday did, but only after a few good hits.

You're ignoring the other guys too... Guy, being a Lantern, is waaay faster than him and can avoid and tank everything he has with constructs. And also Aquaman's water hand packs some nice gizmos (not a huge expert on it though).

#20 Posted by DarkRaiden (7769 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@the_red_viper said:

@darkraiden: Steel has taken blows from Eradicator, Doomsday, Supergirl, Earthquake and other people. He would survive a blow from Thor. Guy Gardener would be trouble as well, and also Aquaman with his hand.

None of those people have the strength of Thor. Doomsday, Supergirl, none of them have 20+planet strength. If their hit even phases Steel, then Thor will oneshot them, as they're all planetary at best and he's at least 20x that.

Supergirl didn't even bother him. Dommsday did, but only after a few good hits.

You're ignoring the other guys too... Guy, being a Lantern, is waaay faster than him and can avoid and tank everything he has with constructs. And also Aquaman's water hand packs some nice gizmos (not a huge expert on it though).

Guy...it depends on if Aquaman can nullify Mjolnir or not. If he can't Mjolnir snacks on Guy's constructs, if he can, Thor should still be able to break the constructs and call down some lightning to hit Guy. Aquaman's hand.....I'm almost 99.9% sure it's strong but can't exactly do much to Thor.

Also Guy flies faster, but then again he doesn't if Thor has Mjolnir,. As for reaction speeds, Thor has a few speedster feats of his own. I couldn't comfortably say Guy is way faster.

#21 Edited by Dratini1331 (7040 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: This is in character. Thor doesn't often use his energy draining, so it seems unlikely that he would use it on the lantern.

#22 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12346 posts) - - Show Bio

Fanboys will fanboy

#23 Posted by darkbeam (2463 posts) - - Show Bio

All the team needs is Aquaman,Guy Gardner,and Red tornado the rest could go home.

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#24 Posted by DarkRaiden (7769 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: This is in character. Thor doesn't often use his energy draining, so it seems unlikely that he would use it on the lantern.

Eh,...but he's also bloodlusted. That does a lot of things to you, and if Thor feels the quickest way to kill Guy is via energy absorption....I guess he would take it? It's hard to tell with character on, yet bloodlusted with people like Thor. They're almost 2 contradictory statements.

#25 Posted by Dratini1331 (7040 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: I assumed Bloodlusted meant basically WM, which means he should probably still destroy them IMO.

#26 Posted by pooty (11437 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: I assumed Bloodlusted meant basically WM, which means he should probably still destroy them IMO.

Bloodlusted means he will be like he was in "Blood and Thunder" when he was beating the snot out of Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill and Adam Warlock. That was just normal power level Thor not holding back. WM Thor would be not holding back PLUS 10x his normal power. Either way Thor wins this fight.

#27 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

i think thor takes this B team down

#28 Edited by BigCimmerian (8604 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor wins in effortless curbstomp.

#29 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331 said:

@darkraiden: This is in character. Thor doesn't often use his energy draining, so it seems unlikely that he would use it on the lantern.

Eh,...but he's also bloodlusted. That does a lot of things to you, and if Thor feels the quickest way to kill Guy is via energy absorption....I guess he would take it? It's hard to tell with character on, yet bloodlusted with people like Thor. They're almost 2 contradictory statements.

That's what I don't understand. Being in character AND bloodlusted kinda contradicts itself.

#30 Posted by WillPayton (9581 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@dratini1331 said:

@darkraiden: This is in character. Thor doesn't often use his energy draining, so it seems unlikely that he would use it on the lantern.

Eh,...but he's also bloodlusted. That does a lot of things to you, and if Thor feels the quickest way to kill Guy is via energy absorption....I guess he would take it? It's hard to tell with character on, yet bloodlusted with people like Thor. They're almost 2 contradictory statements.

That's what I don't understand. Being in character AND bloodlusted kinda contradicts itself.

It doesnt contradict. Let me try to explain:

A person can be in-character or not. This just means whether they're limited to doing things they normally do or are allowed to do their full range of possible actions. An example is Superman fighting in-character. He can vibrate himself intangible, but he hardly ever does. He normally just slugs it out. That's "in-character" for him, whether he's bloodlusted or not. But, for Martian Manhunter, he almost always goes intangible right away. It would be in-character to do so at the start of a battle, but out of character for him to start brawling.

Bloodlusted is different. I means whether they have morals or not, whether they'll try to kill or not. So, for Superman, this would be the difference between him hitting someone at full strength, or only enough to KO them. It'd be the difference between him punching them into a building full of people, or holding back so as to avoid killing innocent bystanders.

So, for Superman:

In-character, non-bloodlusted (his normal state): Slugs it out, does not try to kill.

In-character, bloodlusted: Slugs it out, tries to kill.

Out-of-character, non-bloodlusted: Vibrates to avoid physical contact, begins attack with heat vision, does not try to kill.

Out-of-character, bloodlusted: Vibrates to avoid physical contact, begins attack with heat vision, tries to kill.

Hope that helps.

#31 Posted by Hyperlight (6222 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: that was actually a pretty good explanation as far as I can tell.

anyway... I think thors aerokinetic abilities are greater than red tornados. aquaman cant fight him physically and I do magic from the lady of the lake can dispel high level magic used my mjolnir. steel will get hurt bad and so will hawkman. I think guy garner and red tornado are going to be the tough ones. AM would be too if we were sure that his water hand could dispel thors magic

#32 Edited by WillPayton (9581 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by BigCimmerian (8604 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: It's very good explanation, but bloodlusted Thor is too much here, he defeated Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock while being bloodlusted.

#34 Edited by termiteone4ever (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

GUy Gardner with his Kill shot Would Probably KIll thor . Adding Aquaman and the rest of the team is over kill . The only person on this team with the highest moral is probably RED Tarnado . THe rest is always willing to Kill. Hawk man have some ridiculous powerful weapon if i recall he did KO superman with a punch with one of his weapon which was said to be a planetary.

#35 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

GUy Gardner with his Kill shot Would Probably KIll thor . Adding Aquaman and the rest of the team is over kill . The only person on this team with the highest moral is probably RED Tarnado . THe rest is always willing to Kill. Hawk man have some ridiculous powerful weapon if i recall he did KO superman with a punch with one of his weapon which was said to be a planetary.

what is guy gardners kill shot and how powerful is it??

#36 Posted by RetconCrisis (4268 posts) - - Show Bio

@termiteone4ever: You're right, in one comic, I forgot which unfortunately, Superman stated that Hawkman's full swing of his mace felt like being hit by a planet at full velocity.

#37 Posted by RetconCrisis (4268 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian: I think HM's mace is a lot stronger than BRB's hammer. It is a planet busting mace.

#38 Posted by BigCimmerian (8604 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian: I think HM's mace is a lot stronger than BRB's hammer. It is a planet busting mace.

lol it's not planet busting mace, it's just regular alien mace. Beta Ray Bill's hammer can bust planets easily, but this mace is just regular weapon, don't be silly dude.

#39 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis said:

@bigcimmerian: I think HM's mace is a lot stronger than BRB's hammer. It is a planet busting mace.

lol it's not planet busting mace, it's just regular alien mace. Beta Ray Bill's hammer can bust planets easily, but this mace is just regular weapon, don't be silly dude.

its not regular. where the heck did THAT come from? Seriously? Why lie about it? its not "Regular". In fact one of its BEST features is that it disrupts the magic. the very source of thors power

#40 Posted by BigCimmerian (8604 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:
@retconcrisis said:

@bigcimmerian: I think HM's mace is a lot stronger than BRB's hammer. It is a planet busting mace.

lol it's not planet busting mace, it's just regular alien mace. Beta Ray Bill's hammer can bust planets easily, but this mace is just regular weapon, don't be silly dude.

its not regular. where the heck did THAT come from? Seriously? Why lie about it? its not "Regular". In fact one of its BEST features is that it disrupts the magic. the very source of thors power

LOL I know it's not regular, but it's closer to regular than it's to planet busting mace, and you should know it's not mace that is capable of planetary level strikes, it's his CLAW OF HORUS, but it's not part of his standard equipment. As for his mace it will not disrupt magic after Thor sends him to sun with one hit.

#41 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@foreverevil said:
@bigcimmerian said:
@retconcrisis said:

@bigcimmerian: I think HM's mace is a lot stronger than BRB's hammer. It is a planet busting mace.

lol it's not planet busting mace, it's just regular alien mace. Beta Ray Bill's hammer can bust planets easily, but this mace is just regular weapon, don't be silly dude.

its not regular. where the heck did THAT come from? Seriously? Why lie about it? its not "Regular". In fact one of its BEST features is that it disrupts the magic. the very source of thors power

LOL I know it's not regular, but it's closer to regular than it's to planet busting mace, and you should know it's not mace that is capable of planetary level strikes, it's his CLAW OF HORUS, but it's not part of his standard equipment. As for his mace it will not disrupt magic after Thor sends him to sun with one hit.

i agree that thor could easily send hawkman anywhere but thats IF that happens. theoretically hawkman could hit him first which would disrupt his magic. and thor could just as easily one shot him IF he gets the first hit. theres just more on hawkmans side for him to get the shot in. so its more likely that hawkman hits him first. wouldnt you agree?

#42 Edited by Cable_Extreme (9641 posts) - - Show Bio

You need to take away Aquaman's water hand, because with it team stomps. Dispels magic + possible instant kill via dehydration. I don't know that Thor could die this way, but the dispelling of his magic would cause serious problems he could not over come, at least.

also...I object to Aquaman being labeled a b-teamer. :)

Remember Thor often fights Loki, who is a much more dangerous spell caster than Aquaman :D

#43 Edited by TommyJones1945 (751 posts) - - Show Bio

Team takes it, but it wont be an easy fight.

#44 Posted by Lvenger (20864 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor wins in effortless curbstomp.

Why do you say things like this? Why, seriously? Do you know anything about the B team he's facing? Aquaman's water hand can dispel magic and dehydrate people so if Aquaman wants to, he can just cut Thor off from oxygen and hey presto, Thor's not going to be winning the fight. Or he could TP him out cold. Red Tornado has proven to keep the League at bay with his unleashed wind elemental powers and Guy can keep Thor at bay too. Can you please have a familiarity with the characters before making biased comments like this? I prefer Thor to all these guys but he doesn't beat the team if they use the right tactics.

#45 Posted by ImmortalOne (3504 posts) - - Show Bio

Team takes it.

#46 Posted by Mxyzptlk_CV (1165 posts) - - Show Bio

The team takes this without much effort...too many for thor alone to handle

#47 Posted by BigCimmerian (8604 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@bigcimmerian said:

Thor wins in effortless curbstomp.

Why do you say things like this? Why, seriously? Do you know anything about the B team he's facing? Aquaman's water hand can dispel magic and dehydrate people so if Aquaman wants to, he can just cut Thor off from oxygen and hey presto, Thor's not going to be winning the fight. Or he could TP him out cold. Red Tornado has proven to keep the League at bay with his unleashed wind elemental powers and Guy can keep Thor at bay too. Can you please have a familiarity with the characters before making biased comments like this? I prefer Thor to all these guys but he doesn't beat the team if they use the right tactics.

Thor doesn't need oxygen, he's been flying in space since forever and he ressisted stronger telepaths than Aquaman before. I admit I know nothing about Red Tornado, but I'm very familiar with other characters here, bloodlusted Thor in character defeated Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock, all of them are more powerful than this entire team.

#48 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: Thor was amped in blood and thunder

#49 Posted by BigCimmerian (8604 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: Thor was amped in blood and thunder

In his fights with BRB, Surfer and Warlock he wasn't. He later got power gem, but he defeated them before he had it.

#50 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian: Thor was bloodlusted, and his feats in that series are totally unmatched with his feats anywhere else