@carter_esque: Why are you acting as if Thor was using the full extent of his powers? Stop making excuses that can go both ways. Thor defeated Surfer fairly.
Thor vs Hulk vs Silver Surfer
@stupid_people: Of-course, now I'm sure you've seen the feat were that same board was unable to catch Mjolnir, where it transcends time and space, returned from the farthest corner of the galaxy under 60 secs (under Odins command)
@carter_esque: Why are you acting as if Thor was using the full extent of his powers? Stop making excuses that can go both ways. Thor defeated Surfer fairly.
lol well excuse me, I guess it just "looked" like Surfer wasn't trying hardat all in their most recent encounter. And @NorrinBoltagonPrime21 already debunked the case you made about their earlier fight bc SS wasn't holding back while Thor clearly wasn't. My point is that Thor can't beat SS in a fair fight where there aren't any plot shields or conditions set up for him to win. Surfer is too versatile for Thor and he has yet to fight w/ the full extent of his power in any of their fights, End of Story.
@experio: Doesn't it seem a little odd to you the ONLY time Mjolnir has outraced Norrin is under Odin's command? SS has crossed millions of light years in seconds so "farthest corner of the galaxy" isn't too impressive.
@carter_esque: It supposedly 'looked' like it because that's how you want to see it, your friend NorrinBoltagon was wrong, Surfer and Thor were both blood-lusted when Thor laid the hammer down o him. So that 'Surfer was holding back' excuse isn't gonna cut it, nor will 'he wasn't using his versatility' when it blatantly goes both ways. There's no need to complain because the person you want to win lost. Deal with it.
@stupid_people: It wasn't Odin controlling Mjolnir when it outraced Norrin, that was Thor. Odin was involved with the 60 sec feat.
@experio: Either way, though Norrin was indeed trying to catch it he was definately not going his fastest feat wise so why should we consider it faster than he? Not to mention Thor still has to throw it faster than norrin can blitz. Which I doubt. (Bloodlust on of course)
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@carter_esque: It supposedly 'looked' like it because that's how you want to see it, your friend NorrinBoltagon was wrong, Surfer and Thor were both blood-lusted when Thor laid the hammer down o him. So that 'Surfer was holding back' excuse isn't gonna cut it, nor will 'he wasn't using his versatility' when it blatantly goes both ways. There's no need to complain because the person you want to win lost. Deal with it.
Prove that SS was blood-lusted in that fight... w/ complete scans this time.
@carter_esque: See for your-self, page 5, post 204.
@stupid_people: Because he was determined to catch it, but the hammer was 'so fast' and eventually 'too fast'
@experio: It was "so fast" but never "too fast". It entered a wormhole(?) and was out of his reach. It never looked like he couldnt catch up, he was just too late.
@norrinboltagonprime21: Incorrect, both were blood-lusted.
No, they weren't. Actions>words. There is nothing to suggest that during that fight, Surfer was bloodlusted.
@carter_esque: See for your-self, page 5, post 204.
Again, context is important. SS was admitting to no longer holding back from "fighting" Thor, not from from holding back his potential. You just twisted around his words to conveniently support your argument... do better. SS stomps base Thor and from the looks of things, you're one of the only users in this thread who can't seem to comprehend that due to being blinded by your loyal "fan goggles".
@carter_esque said:
Surfer was trying as much as Thor was. You have to remember or be aware that Matt Fraction was heavily inspired by Kirby and Stan's run and was aiming for the sci fi cosmic mythological blend of tone set by Kirby/Lee. Writers like Fraction, Stan Lee, Kirby, Gillen, JMS don't really care about 90 percent of the things a lot of Battles forum posters care about or think is important, Thor and Silver Surfer have always been contemporaries. Fraction's take on both characters was writing both as a bit more cocky than many other writers in modern times, both were criticized as being out of character for more reasons than that though. Fraction also had Thor inflicting a large dent against Surfer's head, Thor was being aggressive and cocky, Surfer was being reserved and cocky, fight ended with no clear winner and enough room for lots of people to draw various fair conclusions. It was also Thor's book, so Thor has to be written looking as impressive. Of course if someone wants to try to undermine Fractions writing here, thats pretty easy as well, he can ignore large chucks of characters histories.
For the other Thor and Silver Surfer scans, that was in Blood and Thunder. Jim Starlin is a pretty big Thor fan as well and a pretty big Kirby fan too, its really no surprise that he would write Thor beating Silver Surfer mind you Thor was unhinged and crazy during that arc, so much so that some Asgardians believed he suffered from Warriors Madness, he didn't actually have that but he was acting unusual and not showing any restraint. Silver Surfer was also shown to not be restraining himself either, probably because the writers didn't want to shortchange fans by giving an ambiguous situation. Writers like Starlin and Kirby don't always show restraint with pacifism, Thor also use to be a character known for his restraint, it was a part of the humility package that defined him for around 30 years, so Blood and Thunder was one of the few instances we got to see both characters go for it. Then again if someone wishes to undermine Starlin's writing then thats pretty easy too, arguably he tended not to give Silver Surfer too many good showings. Hope that helps with context. Heh heh.
@norrinboltagonprime21: @carter_esque: Incorrect, Surfer was not holding back and was utilizing his potential. Both the context and image back the statement up, the wikis, respect threads have all interpreted Surfer as being bloodlusted for a good reason. You don't want to accept the conclusion, i'm not here to convince
@stupid_people: So fast that be could not catch it
@experio: In the small amount of time he had while not going his fastest? Weird right?
@stupid_people: He had time to catch but Mjolnir was going speeds beyond he could move. Thats why he complimented so fast, it proved to be faster. There was no reason for Surfer to hold back his speed.
@experio: No reason but yet he wasn't doing anything near his higher feats. And not only did it get a head start, he caught up until it disappeared into the hole. This whole thread has been you trying so hard to change everything to compliment Thor, but it's not working man, people know better than that. Not only is he not fast enough, but he is not powerful enough to win against a smart and serious SS.
I'm done here.
*Stupid_People died later that night choking on a piece of pizza, and was never heard from on this thread again.
@stupid_people: Please explain to me how you can tell he wasnt going max? Did the writer tell you? Cause the art wasnt the same as his high end feat? Surfer was determined to catch Mjolnir but failed, the accusation of he could have caught it is an assumption based on 'if'. I interpret a scan on what I see and understand, not change it to fit my criteria.
This seriously isn't a fight. Anyone i'll do a cav, thor vs surffer. Right now. S drains hulk and one xhos thor. Easy.
This wasn't bloodlusted Thor, it was rather a Thor showing Hulk a pitty, this happened before Your scan:
Thor wasn't fighting anymore. IT just proves, he never wanted to really harm Hulk.
And it doesn't prove that Hulk would be able to tank Thor's best lightning. You would have to prove that Hulk's energy durability is greater and that he can fight and win with over-planetary level threats.
All scans about mindless Hulk and Thor fights shows that they are equal rivals, Hulk won some rounds and Thor won some.
And as you see this is mindless, stupid Hulk. After planet hulk-wwh , hulk become much more stronger than that since he can control his movements and his mind, and this means Hulk has superiority on Thor. Unless there is some new scans shows that Thor can match up with new advanced Hulk.
No. If SS is using the full extent of his potential (which he hasn't on panel) then I'm confident that he'd stomp base-level Thor every time.
His potential means nothing, unless he decide to use it. In all scans between Thor vs. SS shows that SS is not superior to Thor. If you have some scan SS beating Thor, then i can change my mind.
This seriously isn't a fight. Anyone i'll do a cav, thor vs surffer. Right now. S drains hulk and one xhos thor. Easy.
All of Silver Surfer and Thor fights ended with no winner, or the winner was Thor.
@bigcimmerian: Unless those fights were post ahniliation and Loeb wasn't writing then they don't count, as surfer has always been dipicted as the superior.
@bigcimmerian: Unless those fights were post ahniliation and Loeb wasn't writing then they don't count, as surfer has always been dipicted as the superior.
One of them was post annihiliation.
@bigcimmerian: one where he litteraly beat surfur fair, and surfuer wasn't holding back?
@bigcimmerian: one where he litteraly beat surfur fair, and surfuer wasn't holding back?
One where both of them were fighting to beat each other up, no idea if they were holding back, but Thor was still hurt from the wound he got several issues before Surfer fight, so he was weakened a bit.
Please correct me if I am wrong but Stan Lee's opinion of THOR holds too much weight here. Jack Kirby had his hand in each of these characters even more so than Lee. They evolved over time and individual writers opinion weighs less than characters evolution. HULK has beat surfer on a few occasions and always beats THOR.
Thor has beaten silver surfer many times and he is supposed to be as strong as hulk and has more powers than hulk. Thor should win this. He has hut Norrin without his hammer before too
Norrin.
Hulk confused as too what Hulk be doing fighting characters with super speed.
Flexing your pecs is always the answer.
@erkan12: you got that backwards
@maninthemountain: I didn't see anything impressive from SS in these match-ups, except that ''Draining gamma radiation'' (which is not winning more like cheating) SS never won any single match against Thor or Hulk in Earth-616.
Hulk's superiority is certain against Thor without Mjolnir ;
Hulk vs. Surfer ;
Hulk lands some serious blows to Silver Surfer ;
And here, I showed this to you before though ;
Silver Surfer : Mjolnir is mightier than my cosmic force !
Also I recommend this blog, it is well prepared by Cimino ;
http://hero-envy.blogspot.com.tr/2012/05/thor-vs-silver-surfer.html
Strength and Durability: Hulk
Skill and Mindset: Thor
Overall Versatility: Silver Surfer
1. Surfer
2. Thor
3. Hulk
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