@mrdevil: The light isn't what hurts. It's the bolt that hurts
Thor vs. Flash
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@mrdevil: A lightning bolt only travels 3,700 thousands miles per second. Far slower then light which travels 186,000mps. Still Flash is far faster then light. But i see you changed your mind about the winner. TTYL
However, the light you see from the lightning obviously travels at the speed of light, which is roughly 670 million mph, or 186,000 miles per second. Thor's lightning has traveled from earth's atmosphere to Thor in seconds.
Earth's atmosphere is about 300-400 miles above Earth. Traveling 400 miles in a second is not that fast. Light travels roughly 186282 miles in a single second.
Constantine is the biggest badass on the plate, CW will announce thursday if they are picking up Constantine Season 2 since NBC canceled it and is selling it now.
I really liked the movie as well. The TV show is more adapted from Hellblazer, it's my favorite TV series. The actor already is almost a copy of Constantine from a lot of the comics he is in.
@alpha: What is Odinforce. I hear this a lot and don't judge me
@gottheit: That's because fans like giving Wally the power of Cheat Code BS with the Speed Force which can steal an opponents speed and momentum and effectively render any kind of action obsolete. My problem with Wally's powers is they don't account for awareness or anticipation in the least and make it sound like Wally himself doesn't make mistakes yet Bart Allen usually is.
That said we've also got to assume Thor's smart enough to fly into space and even that's a stretch.
@gottheit: That's because fans like giving Wally the power of Cheat Code BS with the Speed Force which can steal an opponents speed and momentum and effectively render any kind of action obsolete. My problem with Wally's powers is they don't account for awareness or anticipation in the least and make it sound like Wally himself doesn't make mistakes yet Bart Allen usually is.
That said we've also got to assume Thor's smart enough to fly into space and even that's a stretch.
Speed Force is the HOTU of DC, I know that, you know that everybody knows that.
@sirneko: Hahaha! Exactly it's the Konami Code of the DC Universe. =)
That said I do seriously think we should remember that being the Flash and being the Speed Force are 2 very different things. Because let's be honest the Flash family can be downright daft at times and if they were anywhere near as effective with their powers as threads like this would imply then Flash wouldn't have had his own Comic because every issue would be "The villain appears. Back in a flash guys! The villain is defeated. The end." I only mean to tease.
@sirneko: Hahaha! Exactly it's the Konami Code of the DC Universe. =)
That said I do seriously think we should remember that being the Flash and being the Speed Force are 2 very different things. Because let's be honest the Flash family can be downright daft at times and if they were anywhere near as effective with their powers as threads like this would imply then Flash wouldn't have had his own Comic because every issue would be "The villain appears. Back in a flash guys! The villain is defeated. The end." I only mean to tease.
Actually they even talk about the very same thing in the comics, that is exactly why Hunter Zolomon aka Zoom exists as a Flash villain, he wants Wally to live through tragedy so Wally would be as strong as you say here.
Wally had hard time against the Rouges in Rouge War, while Zolomon ran in snapped his fingers and K.Od all the Rouges instantly. He then proceed to beat on Wally saying that he could do the same thing if he didn't care about people so much. He wants Wally to defeat his enemies instantly instead of caring about what happens to them, Wally in comics is scared because Barry had to make a choice and break Thawne's neck or people close to him would have died.
But in battles this kinda mind set is usually taken out if it's a battle where both participants are out for a win.
@sirneko said:
@sirneko: Hahaha! Exactly it's the Konami Code of the DC Universe. =)
That said I do seriously think we should remember that being the Flash and being the Speed Force are 2 very different things. Because let's be honest the Flash family can be downright daft at times and if they were anywhere near as effective with their powers as threads like this would imply then Flash wouldn't have had his own Comic because every issue would be "The villain appears. Back in a flash guys! The villain is defeated. The end." I only mean to tease.
Actually they even talk about the very same thing in the comics, that is exactly why Hunter Zolomon aka Zoom exists as a Flash villain, he wants Wally to live through tragedy so Wally would be as strong as you say here.
Wally had hard time against the Rouges in Rouge War, while Zolomon ran in snapped his fingers and K.Od all the Rouges instantly. He then proceed to beat on Wally saying that he could do the same thing if he didn't care about people so much.
Aw, that's actually quite sweet. See this is what I like a character with character it makes him a lot more relatable and kinda proves that a non bloodlusted Flash does have his vulnerabilities. Thanks for that Sirneko it's actually really nice chatting to people on here and getting some sincere insight. I wish I could say the same for Thor but being a war god I suppose it makes sense destruction is the only thing he knows.
Honestly this battle could be resolved in so many ways I think it really could go either way.
@sirneko said:
@sirneko: Hahaha! Exactly it's the Konami Code of the DC Universe. =)
That said I do seriously think we should remember that being the Flash and being the Speed Force are 2 very different things. Because let's be honest the Flash family can be downright daft at times and if they were anywhere near as effective with their powers as threads like this would imply then Flash wouldn't have had his own Comic because every issue would be "The villain appears. Back in a flash guys! The villain is defeated. The end." I only mean to tease.
Actually they even talk about the very same thing in the comics, that is exactly why Hunter Zolomon aka Zoom exists as a Flash villain, he wants Wally to live through tragedy so Wally would be as strong as you say here.
Wally had hard time against the Rouges in Rouge War, while Zolomon ran in snapped his fingers and K.Od all the Rouges instantly. He then proceed to beat on Wally saying that he could do the same thing if he didn't care about people so much.
Aw, that's actually quite sweet. See this is what I like a character with character it makes him a lot more relatable and kinda proves that a non bloodlusted Flash does have his vulnerabilities. Thanks for that Sirneko it's actually really nice chatting to people on here and getting some sincere insight. I wish I could say the same for Thor but being a war god I suppose it makes sense destruction is the only thing he knows.
Honestly this battle could be resolved in so many ways I think it really could go either way.
Wally uses his speed scaling from how strong is the enemy. He doesn't want to kill and badly hurt people, he thinks there is always another way, he didn't even like Barry killing Thawne, saying there is always another way.
But he goes confidently against characters like Mongul, depends how fast Wally realizes that Thor is a god and can take a beating.
Also depends what he is fighting for. When Zoom killed his twins, Wally went all out throwing millions of IMP while covering every inch of the world in less than a second against Zoom. He also uses his SF abilities according how pissed he is or strong the enemy is. He took Inertia's speed after Bart died because of him. He didn't want to kill Inertia because Wally doesn't get bloodlusted. He tried to take Zoom's speed pretty much in their first encounter because neither Jay or Wally could even see Zoom and though he is too fast to be let roam around.
My bets on flash, he's got more ways to kill and he will not be caught by any on slowdinsons attacks
flash wins, striking him with the hammer won't kill him, he tanked enough antimatter to destrpy a universe, the flash easily wins
People saying Flash murders any version of Thor? what the heck is wrong with you vine. Rune King Thor godstomps every flash
@orion_savage: Thor can't even hit Superman.
Slow-dinson is going down. Speed blitz.
lol
@biggest_d: Flash has many ways to put Thor down. Speed steal thus turning Thor into a statue. Slowing the electrons in Thors brain causing him to pause out. Accelerating Thors electrical synaptics causing him to pass out. Wally phased into Martian Manhunters head causing him pain. If bloodlusted then Wally phases out body parts or runs through Thor causing his molecules to explode. And wally will have plenty of time to try all of these tactics
@biggest_d: Flash has many ways to put Thor down. Speed steal thus turning Thor into a statue. Slowing the electrons in Thors brain causing him to pause out. Accelerating Thors electrical synaptics causing him to pass out. Wally phased into Martian Manhunters head causing him pain. If bloodlusted then Wally phases out body parts or runs through Thor causing his molecules to explode. And wally will have plenty of time to try all of these tactics
Has he killed a person that way? If so post examples. Otherwise is easier for Flash to eat Uru, Lightning or Storms than to beat Thor.
@biggest_d: Thor will definitely feel it when Flash starts landing IMPs to the face. Or Flash can win in any of the other ways mentioned. Thor really wont even know what's going on.
@biggest_d: Thor will definitely feel it when Flash starts landing IMPs to the face. Or Flash can win in any of the other ways mentioned. Thor really wont even know what's going on.
sure it will
let's see what it takes to hurt Thor and what Thor can take without much problem:
he is strong enough to withstand a explosion that dwarfed planets
He is bullrushed by the Sentry at speeds that bend time and space, hurling their atoms at many times the speed of light towards a planet, Sentry then grabs him by the neck and punch him with enough force to be felt in the entire planet
Is not the first time he is been bullrushed by someone at many times the speed of light, Silver Surfer has also done the same to Thor, thought in that case was a weakened Thor, and the impact apparently hurt more Silver Surfer than it did to Thor
This one is a little bit interesting, not just takes a full blast from Star Brand that had casually BFR Hulk before, it deflects Hyperion's Atomic Vision, which in the past has been capable of sending the Hulk flying, that same blast damages Iron Man's Marvel Now armor, and Captain America's Uru, Bibranium and Adamantium Shield, without actually hitting them directly.
He is easily capable of taking a bullrush from Sentry answering later to Sentry with just a smack and sending him flying but he is capable of taking multiple supervillains' attack including between them Vector who is capable of repel reality, the resultant explosion ends in what it looks like a atomic bomb
He is also capable of sumerging inside a pool of cosmic energy and emerge without any apparent damage, but 2099 Hulk is burned down to his bones.
Is resilliant enough to take Thanos' punches
and strong enough to resist Thanos' blast, while everything else is destroyed and fellow avengers like Hyperion are sent flying away
He isn't just capable of taking his huge energies attacks but also resist Thanos' eye-beams without any problem
Tanks a beatdown from Loki with the hammer
Hammer give Loki Thor's powers. And considering what Thor can dish out, is not anything below moon lv.
Walks through enough energy to actually destroy the earth if it ins't stopped.
He is punched by Galactus wand is send flying through the planet and destroys the moon, and supposedly with the force of Supernovas.
Tanks multiple blasts from Galactus
Considering Galactus claims in the fight he was burning like a billion Supernovas, that isn't anything below planet.
And is capable of taking Zeus' lightnings
Same Zeus after that did this
you will judge for yourself the lv of that.
Now that we went into what it takes to hurt him, let's see in what it takes to knock him out.
Strong enough to survive a Phoenix Force Cyclops' blast,
Considering Cyclops at normal power using his fullest blast can do this
Is not anything below planet lv.
Absorbs and redirects Glory's blast, causing a explosion powerful enough, to, well it took a explosion that tears through reality.
And finally but not least, this is what it takes to Gor to finally put down 3 Thor, and couldn't even kill them with that.
Using enough power to blakening the Sun, which isn't easy just BTW, and is even more since the weapon Gorr uses is meant to kill Gods.
Flash won't be doing him anything. Not actually counting Thor's advantage on flight, and the fact he can pretty much blow up the planet if he wanted to.
DC OPs all their characters, which is why they'll never be as liked as Marvel besides Batman. Flash wins via hacks.
@biggest_d: Flash has many ways to put Thor down. Speed steal thus turning Thor into a statue. Slowing the electrons in Thors brain causing him to pause out. Accelerating Thors electrical synaptics causing him to pass out. Wally phased into Martian Manhunters head causing him pain. If bloodlusted then Wally phases out body parts or runs through Thor causing his molecules to explode. And wally will have plenty of time to try all of these tactics
Has he killed a person that way? If so post examples. Otherwise is easier for Flash to eat Uru, Lightning or Storms than to beat Thor.
This battle isn't to the death. KO or incapacitation is enough. Speed steal alone is enough. Here is Flash using it in less then a second against Amazo who had the entire JLA powers. Thor is defeated in a second. Thor won't even know he's in a fight because Thor is frozen compared to wally.
@biggest_d: Those are nice, but honestly some are not as impressive as they seem. And Flash's IMPs can hit with the power of a White Dwarf star and 1-shot KO Superman-level White Martians. There's a reason why Superboy Prime is afraid of the Flashes. Even Wonder Woman has said that Flash could hit her millions of times and she wouldnt be able to stop it.
Also, being able to fly is not much of an advantage for Thor because he'll be down before he even knows it. And Flash can use the Speed Force to fly as well.
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