who wins?
thor vs captain marvel
To anyone that believe that Captain Marvel is greater than Thor in any way, here is truth( this is a post taken from beatboks1). His speed:
Prom Power of Shazam #15 (page 12 IIRC). Also in POS he's struggled to get in front super sonic Jet's, In several showings against Superman, Powergirl, Wonder Woman and others (slower than Superman) he's been shown to be slower. These are all post COIE appearances (since which he has never been shown to be faster than light other than in things like Billy Batson and the magic of Shazam, or Shazam the monster society of evil - both of these are part of DC junior and non canon, just as others showings are like Kingdom Come are not canon.
All in continuity showings of Cap and the Marvel family show him to be around 1/2 (at best) light speed. Just like he's been shown to be hurt by a car runninng into him, had his arm broken by Black Adam (when Mary was powered and he's therefore weaker). Post COIE the Marvel's aren't anywhere near as powerful as many believe. That's why he's had his but handed to him bu Supes a few times. He hasn't been faster than light since before Crisis. As for Superman messing up DS's face, he hasn't. The few times he has have been explained as one of DS' minions posing as him for some plot.
@XLR87T3:
Captain Marvel has blitzed Superman before
In terms of speed feats this is actually a better combat speed feat than any Thor has shown.
As far Superman and Captain Marvel's comparison
Supes admits that Captain Marvel is his equal.
@Hohenheim_of_light:
He clearly says it will take him a while to get to Vebnus under his own power. Captain Marvels words who knows his power. If he could even travel a light speed it would only take 8 to 10 minutes. Superman has feats post crisis of crossing whole galaxies.
Black Adam who's slightly more powered than Cap isn't even as fast as the Jay Garrick Flash who because of his age can't do Light speed without a boost. He can't react to him nor can he keep up with him and he runs out of puff at half light speed.
This is one of several examples on POS where billy had to push himself just to catch up to super sonic jets.
Billy can't even fly through space faster than a Shuttle without the help of Dr Fate to transport him
There's also his battle with an Eclipso possessed Superman (while Superman was fighting the possession) where he couldn't even react to Superman fast enough to protect himself. The times he was beaten by in speed by characters much Slower than Superman (not even capable of interplanetary travel - at east not in their life time). The times that Black Adam has flown circles around him (and I've just shown he runs out of puff at mack 500 (half the speed of light). There's also the fact that BA took 5000 years to travel back to Earth when Shazam transported him across the universe and yet Superman has flown to the edge of the universe in hours. If you like I'll find the scans but it seems pointless to load up over 100 scans of post COIE showings that confirm the fact Cap isn't as fast as Supes since 1985.
Oh, and his strength:
Yes it's canon from Power of Shazam (his only solo title that is) and it's one of around 7 Superman appearances in that title that show Superman as superior.
@Hohenheim_of_light said:
@XLR87T3:First of all try putting those into context, Jay Garrick before the Infinite Crisis could easily run at light speeds, he did so in that same JSA volume and it even states that he could in JSA Classified. It was only after the Infinite Crisis that he could run at light speeds but could only sustain it for so long due to the speed force not sustaining him anymore. Black Adam has also fought evenly with Jay several times in that volume and in the scan of Jay and Black Adam running, Jay had to go faster than light, not light speed but faster which ended up sending him to ancient Egypt where he met Teth and Hawkman thousands of years ago.
So based on the fights with Jay, Adam can easily contend with a light speeder.
Mach 500 isn't half the speed of light either, and in that scan of Adam running with Jay, Jay is stealing his speed so it isn't like mach 500 is his limit.
Also show the scan of Superman flying to the edge of the universe in hours please.
Jay has always been near a light speeder but not FTL. He started out as FTL in the GA but post COIE it was beyond him due to his age. He could in JSA come near to light speed but not exceed it. That is actually the reason he needed BA to run so he could steal his speed to reach light speed to time travel. His power does allow him to go light speed but there have been several showings in the last 8 years where it's also been shown that if he maintains it for longer than a few seconds it would cause his old heart to fail (and that is even since he's regained access to the speed force)
BA in that scan did not go light speed at all. It clearly stated in that issue that he was running out of juice at mach 500 (he was falling behind as well), to his credit he pushed on. When Jay was almost at light speed (where he stole BA speed to exceed it and break the time barrier) BA was clearly well behind him (not even in shot). He could no longer keep up and had already began to fall.
All times that BA actually "handled" jay in the JSA run were during the period that Jay was not even close to a light speeder. When Wally entered the speed force it broke the connection of most the other speedsters taking away their subliminal speeds. So at no time has BA demonstrated being able to handle light speeders.
Not that it matters it's not Black Adam in this Battle. Contrary to popular belief Teth and Billy do not have the same power levels. When Shazam was powering Teth his dauhter Lady blaze did a deal with the evil Egyptian god Set in the hopes of making him evil. As such even though the name Shazam calls on the power his power doesn't come from Shazam or the gods that power Billy. BA is generally stronger than Cap a little behind in speed and Cap has the advantage in durability and stamina.
Captain Marvel is equal to Superman (modern) in strength (behind BA)as long as no other member of the Marvel Family is powered up.
He is slower (there are more instances in their showings together of Cap struggling to keep up with Superman than of his matching Supes in speed and most showings of Cap being faster are non canon). there are also instances of him not keeping up with Jay and WW (both are slower in pure speed than Superman). He's also struggle to avoid BA who has shown to be slower than Jay (except when Jay was a sub light speeder)
His durability is also equal to Superman
His one advantage over Superman is his Stamina. With the Stamina of Atlas he literally never tires (also an advantage of BA and the reason he usually wins).
In a pure physical battle this could go on for some time with not much hope for a victory either way. There is however the power of Mjolnir to consider. With Mjolnir Thor can absorb and manipulate energy and magic, create energy fields, vortexes, control the forces of nature. he could simply do what he did to defeat King Hyperion. He could encase Billy in a magic energy field, shrink him to the size of his hand and contain him there for the win.
I've never seen a Superman v Thor battle as a straight out win for either and I see no reason for a different view against Captain Marvel.
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