Thor Vs Apocalypse

@SC said:

@doomsummers said:

@SC: For 2 issues of HOA vs Thor and the Avengers. Thor couldn't do anything to HOA. It was even stated by Cable that in the future that there was no Avengers because of Apocalypse's reign. I'm pretty sure Thor didn't hold back when the world was ending. Thor asked Cable to delay HOA while he gets this power charged up. Thor hits HOA with this power that sends HOA to a different dimsension. HOA adapts and escapes. Thor wasn't holding back. HOA could have kept adapting to all of the Avenger's abilities but Apocalypse used molecule manipulation to turn HOA into a bomb so that Apocalypse's reign can be set into events that have his reign come true. Your being too hypothetical in a debate forum. You have to be more assertive. If you wanted to be hypothetical in the first place you should have sent me as personal message to explore your theories.

 
Here, I'll demonstrate something for you okay, to illustrate why I don't think its a good idea that you try and engage my in a debate of opinion, aside from the fact that you think I am being too hypothetical. Whatever that means. Don't forget you, quoted me first and hey, if you wanted to ask me a question, or tell me your opinion, why not send me a PM? Oh wait, probably because people can reply how they see fit no? So I am sorry, no private messages from me sorry lol *smile* 
 
Okay, you contradict yourself above, but lets move to a much more clear demonstration of why I think your argument is flawed and hence not a good reason for me to change my min, but demonstrative of why you probably believe the stance you do.  
 
@doomsummers said:

Apocalypse has control of every single molecule in his body meaning he can be as dense as he wants to be. 

 Lets look at this yes? If Apocalypse has control over every single molecule in his body, then he can not, objectively, be as dense as he wants to be, unless the extent of his knowledge limits him to thinking being as dense on a molecular level is as dense as one can be, which just isn't the case at all. Except given Apocalypse's intelligence, and knowledge it would be extremely unlikely he holds this view, and so your statement here is easily dismissed as false. Wrong. Not jiving with my turky. Now you understand I can do this to more of your statements right? Except because I am limited for time, I am applying my own semi fallacious argument, and saying, if you are making statements like above, and holding them as true, then we have vastly different ways of observing fact, objectivity and subjectivity, and that most of your argument can and probably eventually would be dismissed in similar fashion. Its pointless. For you, since such types of arguments won't sway my opinion, and I am not really concerned in changing your opinion, more just defend my own. How's that for assertion my friend? *smile*   I respect your opinion. Your assertions however lack evidence sufficient enough to dispute what I have said. 

 I'll just re-quote this and leave this here for you to address. If you wish to.  If your posting irrelevant scans please realize you don't have to quote me, or reply to me. Like I said, I'm cool with you having your opinion. One of you most recent posts addressed to no one, was very well written. (one with the scan from the VS Dracula mini) Great. Still, I don't care for the general argument, if you wish to address stuff I have actually said, I kindly ask that you do. If your just interesting in quoting and or reply to me, with non sequitur arguments and scans, then I'll just quote this post right here as my reply to you, making sure to highlight the part of my argument, that leaves little to no room, for demonstrating who argument was more objectively correct.   Essentially I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree, since I need actual arguments and reasons to change my mind, and you have not addressed any of my points so I suspect your just going to hold onto your opinion no matter what anyone would or could say. 

                    @SC: Are you high? He was intelligent enough to use Celestial Technology to turn somebody into a stone. The other scan I showed, displayed him creating a mantis creature out of nothing. Do you really know how to debate? I can refer you to some classes in San Mateo California that will show you the basics of arguing.

                   

               

l@SC said:

@doomsummers:  Yes I am high thanks. No, that wasn't him, that was the stone using Celestial Technology to make Apocalypse intelligent. Your other scans was of an insect? No I don't know how to debate, I am only a minor. Oh its okay, I need no class for basics or arguing, thank you for the offer. Here is a present from me to you by the way. 
 
@SC said:

@SC said:

@doomsummers said:

@SC: For 2 issues of HOA vs Thor and the Avengers. Thor couldn't do anything to HOA. It was even stated by Cable that in the future that there was no Avengers because of Apocalypse's reign. I'm pretty sure Thor didn't hold back when the world was ending. Thor asked Cable to delay HOA while he gets this power charged up. Thor hits HOA with this power that sends HOA to a different dimsension. HOA adapts and escapes. Thor wasn't holding back. HOA could have kept adapting to all of the Avenger's abilities but Apocalypse used molecule manipulation to turn HOA into a bomb so that Apocalypse's reign can be set into events that have his reign come true. Your being too hypothetical in a debate forum. You have to be more assertive. If you wanted to be hypothetical in the first place you should have sent me as personal message to explore your theories.

 
Here, I'll demonstrate something for you okay, to illustrate why I don't think its a good idea that you try and engage my in a debate of opinion, aside from the fact that you think I am being too hypothetical. Whatever that means. Don't forget you, quoted me first and hey, if you wanted to ask me a question, or tell me your opinion, why not send me a PM? Oh wait, probably because people can reply how they see fit no? So I am sorry, no private messages from me sorry lol *smile* 
 
Okay, you contradict yourself above, but lets move to a much more clear demonstration of why I think your argument is flawed and hence not a good reason for me to change my min, but demonstrative of why you probably believe the stance you do.  
 
@doomsummers said:

Apocalypse has control of every single molecule in his body meaning he can be as dense as he wants to be. 

 Lets look at this yes? If Apocalypse has control over every single molecule in his body, then he can not, objectively, be as dense as he wants to be, unless the extent of his knowledge limits him to thinking being as dense on a molecular level is as dense as one can be, which just isn't the case at all. Except given Apocalypse's intelligence, and knowledge it would be extremely unlikely he holds this view, and so your statement here is easily dismissed as false. Wrong. Not jiving with my turky. Now you understand I can do this to more of your statements right? Except because I am limited for time, I am applying my own semi fallacious argument, and saying, if you are making statements like above, and holding them as true, then we have vastly different ways of observing fact, objectivity and subjectivity, and that most of your argument can and probably eventually would be dismissed in similar fashion. Its pointless. For you, since such types of arguments won't sway my opinion, and I am not really concerned in changing your opinion, more just defend my own. How's that for assertion my friend? *smile*   I respect your opinion. Your assertions however lack evidence sufficient enough to dispute what I have said. 

 I'll just re-quote this and leave this here for you to address. If you wish to.  If your posting irrelevant scans please realize you don't have to quote me, or reply to me. Like I said, I'm cool with you having your opinion. One of you most recent posts addressed to no one, was very well written. (one with the scan from the VS Dracula mini) Great. Still, I don't care for the general argument, if you wish to address stuff I have actually said, I kindly ask that you do. If your just interesting in quoting and or reply to me, with non sequitur arguments and scans, then I'll just quote this post right here as my reply to you, making sure to highlight the part of my argument, that leaves little to no room, for demonstrating who argument was more objectively correct.   Essentially I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree, since I need actual arguments and reasons to change my mind, and you have not addressed any of my points so I suspect your just going to hold onto your opinion no matter what anyone would or could say. 

 Are you one of those people that hates losing and or always tries to save face by replying with irrelevant arguments, even when lost? I mean, no judgement, I am one of those petty people who will answer always as well. Well, I mean, when someone tries to find criticism with my opinion but then is proven to have flawed logic. 

@doomsummers said:

Apocalypse has control of every single molecule in his body meaning he can be as dense as he wants to be. 

 Lets look at this yes? If Apocalypse has control over every single molecule in his body, then he can not, objectively, be as dense as he wants to be, unless the extent of his knowledge limits him to thinking being as dense on a molecular level is as dense as one can be, which just isn't the case at all. Except given Apocalypse's intelligence, and knowledge it would be extremely unlikely he holds this view, and so your statement here is easily dismissed as false. Wrong. Not jiving with my turky. 

                    @SC: I know your one of those people. That scan of him being intelligent using Celestial technology even though he never came across that technology before. He just used it like it was a toy. Here is another one of his abilities.
Matter manipulation.  Turns his harbinger into a bomb.  




                   

               

 This is way too annoying. He hasn't posted any scans of anything, yet he still tries to argue with me.

                    @DiamondsandPearls: It took Jean Grey in Phoenix Form and Cable to finally beat Apocalypse. Phoenix Jean would wreck Thor and any other herald of Galactus.

                   

               

                    @SC: Earlier you said Thor would beat Apocalypse then you try to sound fancy. Your a joke.

                   

               

@SC: I am bored. I made my point and you still argue. I post scans and you post nothing, your intelligence is a joke. I will get back on here when I am bored again.

@SC: Earlier you said Thor would beat Apocalypse then you try to sound fancy. Your a joke.

I want to respond to him with an elongated burn in all Caps.

                    I want to respond to him with an elongated burn in all Caps.

                   

               

 It's almost like comparing Hawkgirl to Superman. 

   Well, Hawkgirl's mace is kinda magical.(I kid I kid Superman would probably beat her)

Thor For The Win

 

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/off-topic/5/what-gets-you-aroused/619017/#2

Holy Hell seriously!? Why'd they lock that?

@doomsummers: That's not nice. 

I'm a little behind on my readings, but Didn't apocalypse get killed recently. And if you're really doing aroused 2.0 lemme know so I can get a post in before they lock it.

(People I'm only kidding don't ban me. I'm in the process of learning tact and time and place and all that good stuff)

Either Thor FTW.

Thor. For Asgard!!!!

Thor blood-lusted stomps. Can Apocalypse survive planet busting attacks or godblast, anti-matter blasts at full...

Why are people saying "Apoc defeated Loki so he's able to defeat Thor".Thor is like 1000000 stronger than Loki, much much much more durable and has a sky-father weapon.

Apocalypse wins he has already fought thor twice and had the advantage both times he is stronger can dodge his attacks at will and can heal from almost anyting thor could do to him and has telepathy just to shut his mind down.

Any competent S Tier can defeat Apocalypse

> "Competent".

> Alabama Aaron/Cates Thor.

Pick one.

Thor

@breakofdawn: Any version of Thor (except Young Thor) can beat Apocalypse

Also, when I am saying competent, I mean powerful

Alabama Aaron had it take two Thors to take down Apocalypse.

Thor's already beaten him

And not any bootleg Thors either. It was Odinson with a plot weapon(blessed to pierce Apocs body), and Worthy Jane(same Jane that bled Odin pretty badly) Heh. They had to combine their powers only to beat Apocalypse off panel!

There is an entire book on this encounter.... and is still consistently bypassed or purposely forgotten by Apocalypse anti-fanbase! Smh

Odinson and Foster Thor are both pretty incompetent and inconsistent, especially under Alabama Aaron.

Lol... whats up with all the discrimination against Apocalypse on this site? If he performs a good feat, it's always an outlier or the other player was nerfed, or any other whack reason to dismiss his feats.. Now we blame writers? 😐

Different writers seem to think and show that Apocalypse can fight with multiple Thors at once... including a Worthy!

@cosmic_reign: It's nothing to do with Apocalypse. Current Thor just sucks.

Okay... if you say so!

It's evident that people here are challenged to say Apocalypse WINS in any thread, even when he blatantly shows it on panel.

What is "S Tier" even supposed to mean? You mean high tier? I wouldn't even say that.

@professorrespect: high tier

Wouldn't agree. Besides, having high tier be S means what, teambuster is SSS? SSSS+? Sounds a bit silly.

Any competent high tier gets Apocalypsed

Worthy/Base Thor for the win.

I would say Thor, he is a God after all. He has faced tougher opponents than Apocalypse b4

Thor all day at base. Thor rather easily currently

Apocalypse

Thor.