THOR using his absolute full potential, Who could defeat him?

@PunkMastaFlex said:

@blackadam2 said:

"punkamastaflex" you are the one assuming regular thor is omniscience in this fight.

@PunkMastaFlex said:

@super_psycho said:

@PunkMastaFlex said:

Thor at full potential can defeat:

Thanos

Silver Surfer (Can go either way if Surfer's morals and character are intact for the duration of the battle)

Gladiator

Beta Ray Bill

Juggernaut

Can stalemate or tie (Chances are Thor'll lose more than he'll win though):

Spectre

Darkseid

If thor is at his full potential then i guess his opponents are also at full potential..right? Spectre at full power would destroy even rune king thor 10000000000 times

It's general consensus that when Thor's stated to be at full potential, he's in his regular state but with his top level feats and excluding his low feats so thus, he's not Rune Thor.

As for the Spectre v. Rune Thor comment, Spectres' power vastly shrouds over Rune Thors'. A Nigh-Omniscient isn't going to engage a being like Spectre in a battle without preparation because it's unwise.

Read before assuming anything. Then again, assuming from your grammar usage and the intelligence displayed throughout your words, I doubt you can comprehend it.

When did i say that you are the one who brought up Rune King Thor?

@super_psycho:

Thor is now real person? 0_o

You stated it. You tell me. Seriously, stop circumventing around the situation at hand and get back on topic instead of further derailing the thread liaison to what you did earlier by bringing in Rune Thor.

I still don't see even a single feat of Thor's epic intelligence which trumps Doom's feats..

Then look at it from a different window. What trumps what? A human with intelligence limited to Earth and slightly of the supernatural world or one that that possesses knowledge of everything. Fact is, Rune Thor will know everything Doom does but more.

When did i say that you are the one who brought up Rune King Thor?

I wasn't replying to you.

@PunkMastaFlex said:

@super_psycho:

Thor is now real person? 0_o

You stated it. You tell me. Seriously, stop circumventing around the situation at hand and get back on topic instead of further derailing the thread liaison to what you did earlier by bringing in Rune Thor.

I still don't see even a single feat of Thor's epic intelligence which trumps Doom's feats..

Then look at it from a different window. What trumps what? A human with intelligence limited to Earth and slightly of the supernatural world or one that that possesses knowledge of everything. Fact is, Rune Thor will know everything Doom does but more.

I m the one who brought up Rune king thor because of your comment that Thor can win against Spectre..

Doom is not a human with intelligence limited to earth..If he was then tell me how could he even stand upto Beyonder?

Let me know when Thor does something as impressive as Doom with prep time..

oh, well. you were talking about omniscience and the only version of thor that have that power is rune king thor. if you are not using, the why are you talking about omniscience and thor being better in prep than doom? then why do you post a scan of rune king thor if it has nothing to do with the thread?

@super_psycho:

I m the one who brought up Rune king thor because of your comment that Thor can win against Spectre..

Yet in all of my elaborations of how Thor could've beaten Spectre, I've never included Rune Thor.

Doom is not a human with intelligence limited to earth..If he was then tell how could he even stand upto Beyonder?

Because Beyonder is an idiot?

Let me know when Thor does something as impressive as Doom with prep time..

Let me know when you stop being in denial due to pride.

tho has none nothing as impressive as doom prep wise. nor, is he going to beat the spectre. beyonder an idiot? wasn't he the one above all when he first appeared? doom is smarter than thor and there is tons of proof to back this up.

@PunkMastaFlex said:

@super_psycho:

I m the one who brought up Rune king thor because of your comment that Thor can win against Spectre..

Yet in all of my elaborations of how Thor could've beaten Spectre, I've never included Rune Thor.

Doom is not a human with intelligence limited to earth..If he was then tell how could he even stand upto Beyonder?

Because Beyonder is an idiot?

Let me know when Thor does something as impressive as Doom with prep time..

Let me know when you stop being in denial due to pride.

1. Even rune king thor can't beat spectre at full power.. Normal Thor doesn't even stand a chance..
2. Because Doom is genius..With prep he can beat Beyonder..
3. Ok Thor is better than doom with prep,,If that makes you feel better :)

@blackadam2:

tho has none nothing as impressive as doom prep wise

I haven't stated he has.

doom is smarter than thor and there is tons of proof to back this up.

Smarter than Thor? Yes. Smarter than Rune Thor? Nowhere close. An IQ of someone with a form of omniscience is in the 4 digits, possibly higher whereas Doom's 200-300. If you want to argue that Doom is smarter than a nigh-omniscient, then you're not to be taken seriously. Then again, you cannot comprehend anything thus far about the simplest of things so I wouldn't be surprised if you did.

beyonder an idiot?

No, he's the smartest being ever written. Proof? The Death instance for one.

@super_psycho:

Even rune king thor can't beat spectre at full power

I never stated Rune Thor could.

Normal Thor doesn't even stand a chance

I just elaborated how he could win one fight out of many in the bottom half of page nine.

Because Doom is genius..With prep he can beat Beyonder..

So being a genius means any geniuses can defeat Beyonder? False logic and confusing due to the usage. Just earlier, you stated that he's above a human genius now you're claiming geniuses can defeat Beyonder with preparation?

Ok Thor is better than doom with prep,,If that makes you feel better :)

I take this as a post of insult covered up by perfidy. It also seems that you fail to see what I've been arguing all this time due to limited reading comprehension.

@PunkMastaFlex said:

@super_psycho:

Even rune king thor can't beat spectre at full power

I never stated Rune Thor could.

Normal Thor doesn't even stand a chance

I just elaborated how he could win one fight out of many in the bottom half of page nine.

Because Doom is genius..With prep he can beat Beyonder..

So being a genius means any geniuses can defeat Beyonder? False logic and confusing due to the usage. Just earlier, you stated that he's above a human genius now you're claiming geniuses can defeat Beyonder with preparation?

Ok Thor is better than doom with prep,,If that makes you feel better :)

I take this as a post of insult covered up by perfidy. It also seems that you fail to see what I've been arguing all this time due to limited reading comprehension.

If you really believe Rune king thor can't beat spectre then what makes you think normal thor at his full potential stands a chance against spectre?

A genius like Doom can..Not any walking genius..

If i really wanted to insult you i would have said "stop riding thor's hammer" happy now :)..

@super_psycho:

If you really believe Rune king thor can't beat spectre then what makes you think normal thor at his full potential stands a chance against spectre?

Read the bottom half of page 9. There's a difference between elaborating and arguing.

A genius like Doom can..Not any walking genius..

Yet Doom's overshadowed by individuals such as Richards, Thanos, ect. Fact remains is that with nigh-omniscience, you will know everything about Doom and anything to everything else.

If i really wanted to insult you i would have said "stop riding thor's hammer" happy now :)..

Then I would retaliate by flagging the post. You still haven't seen the moral of my posts pertaining to Rune Thor. Let me elaborate, it's omniscience that I'm arguing about, not Thor. If you cannot understand that, then stop arguing a pointless battle.

Read before assuming anything. Then again, assuming from your grammar usage and the intelligence displayed throughout your words, I doubt you can comprehend it.

@Static Shock:

I apologize. It's just the certainty of stated things were... ridiculous in my opinion. Not to mention that being pointed out for something not of my power was also quite insulting.

dude, you are not offending anyone is that is your point. and you can't be taken seriously we you are making up powers that mjolnir doens't have. you think yourself a good debater and yet most of your post are based on assumptions. the only reason you came up for doom to be able to steal beyonder's powers is because he is an "idiot" according to you. and you want people to take you seriously when you insult and base your argument " he is an idiot"? proof he is an idiot? i do accept that i misread your post. however, rune king thor can't beat the spectre with prep( off topic). you claim he has omniscience, however, the same can be say about pre retcon beyonder, who was the one above all in marvel, yet he's onmiscience didn't help him when doom stole his powers. and no, mjolnir can't produce tp, no matter how much you want that to happen and no matter how much you assume things, that power is just not part of it. you also said the magical rod that thor used to fish the midgard serpent might have enhaced thor,well how can you proof that? thor did struggle lifting the midgard serpent in the day the thunder failed, but he was younger, also. and yet when fished the midgard serpent away he did struggle at the beggining. i do accept i misread your posts, but rune king thor so called omniscience is not going to help him beat the spectre.

@PunkMastaFlex said:

@super_psycho:

If you really believe Rune king thor can't beat spectre then what makes you think normal thor at his full potential stands a chance against spectre?

Read the bottom half of page 9. There's a difference between elaborating and arguing.

A genius like Doom can..Not any walking genius..

Yet Doom's overshadowed by individuals such as Richards, Thanos, ect. Fact remains is that with nigh-omniscience, you will know everything about Doom and anything to everything else.

If i really wanted to insult you i would have said "stop riding thor's hammer" happy now :)..

Then I would retaliate by flagging the post. You still haven't seen the moral of my posts pertaining to Rune Thor. Let me elaborate, it's omniscience that I'm arguing about, not Thor. If you cannot understand that, then stop arguing a pointless battle.

1. You didn't elaborate anything, Here is what you said

"As I've stated earlier, Thor has a very small chance of defeating Spectre due to the power fluctuation. It's still part of Spectre's history but depends on whichever version of him and even then, Thor has a history of fighting cosmic beings liaison to Spectre such as Celestials and Thanos w/ Infinity Guantlet. I'm not stating that Thor is this level because that's utterly ridiculous but what I am saying if I'm saying anything is that I'm comparing somewhat similar power levels and how Thor preforms against it. That's why I stated Thor has a small chance to win even if it's 1/10 fights. Possibly even a lower chance."

If thor is at his full potential then i assume spectre is also at full power..Thor doesn't win anything..

Doom is not overshadowed by Thanos and Reed..Doom can beat them in prep and they can beat him too..

@blackadam2:

dude, you are not offending anyone is that is your point.

... huh?

and you can't be taken seriously we you are making up powers that mjolnir doens't have mjolnir can't produce tp, no matter how much you want that to happen and no matter how much you assume things

I've merely elaborated about Mjolnir and it's history of creating powers out of nowhere for the sake of plot. I stated examples of other powers it's created such as telekinesis, magnetism, ect. My point is not pertaining to something as minor as telepathy, it's that Mjolnir can do anything for plot. That's what I'm trying to explain. If you want to actually learn how to debate against me, learn to separate whether I'm debating for something minor or the bigger picture.

you think yourself a good debater and yet most of your post are based on assumptions.

I never stated that I was nor that I thought I was. I'm stating facts, not assumptions. Is comic writing an assumption? Is writing Thor to do virtually anything for the sake of the story an assumption? No. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor used telepathy due to his hammer for plot reasons.

the only reason you came up for doom to be able to steal beyonder's powers is because he is an "idiot" according to you. and you want people to take you seriously when you insult and base your argument " he is an idiot"? proof he is an idiot?

The instance with Death in comics is one, actually losing his power to Doom given his degree of power is another. Need I go on?

however, rune king thor can't beat the spectre with prep( off topic). you claim he has omniscience, however, the same can be say about pre retcon beyonder, who was the one above all in marvel, yet he's onmiscience didn't help him when doom stole his powers.

Please read the arc. PR Beyonder was an idiot and has never shown omniscience in any shape nor form.

you also said the magical rod that thor used to fish the midgard serpent might have enhaced thor,well how can you proof that? thor did struggle lifting the midgard serpent in the day the thunder failed, but he was younger, also. and yet when fished the midgard serpent away he did struggle at the beggining.

Read pages 8 and 9 on this thread.

@super_psycho:

I don't debate out of "fanboy blindness" that you supposedly edited out, I debate by looking at all possible information and using it. If I debated out of fanboy blindness, I wouldn't have wrote half page long paragraphs explaining how Thor defeats Hulk and how Surfer can defeat Boy Prime.

If thor is at his full potential then i assume spectre is also at full power..Thor doesn't win anything..

Do you not understand what I was stating with that post? I KNOW THOR DOESN'T DEFEAT SPECTRE AT FULL POWER. I stated in this page.

"As I've stated earlier, Thor has a very small chance of defeating Spectre due to the power fluctuation. It's still part of Spectre's history but depends on whichever version of him and even then, Thor has a history of fighting cosmic beings liaison to Spectre such as Celestials and Thanos w/ Infinity Guantlet. I'm not stating that Thor is this level because that's utterly ridiculous but what I am saying if I'm saying anything is that I'm comparing somewhat similar power levels and how Thor preforms against it. That's why I stated Thor has a small chance to win even if it's 1/10 fights. Possibly even a lower chance."

I was stating that Thor has a CHANCE of winning, I even pointed out the power fluctuations.

Doom is not overshadowed by Thanos and Reed..Doom can beat them in prep and they can beat him too..

I used them as examples. Fact is, a nigh-omniscient cannot logically be defeated by any being of lesser intelligence.

@PunkMastaFlex: I thought that was little offensive so i removed it..

I still want to know how Thor is going to win 1/10 against Spectre at full power..

Feats = Facts, Doom is way better than Thor when it comes to prep..

@super_psycho:

I still want to know how Thor is going to win 1/10 against Spectre at full power..

Reread my post because frankly, your just going in circles.

Feats = Facts, Doom is way better than Thor when it comes to prep..

Better than Thor? Sure. Better than a nigh-omniscient, no.

Pretty much any and everyone greater than or equal to Skyfather level.

Tons of intergalactic people can beat thor. Silver Surfer ,gladiator etc...

@stu said:

Tons of intergalactic people can beat thor. Silver Surfer ,gladiator etc...

Thor's beaten both

Thor stomps Gladiator

@stu said:

Tons of intergalactic people can beat thor. Silver Surfer ,gladiator etc...

Thor has already trashed Gladiator and, while in Warrior's Madness, stomped Silver Surfer.

@stu said:

Tons of intergalactic people can beat thor. Silver Surfer ,gladiator etc...

yea... he trashed Gladiator.

That said, Dormammu does kill him :P

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@stu said:

Tons of intergalactic people can beat thor. Silver Surfer ,gladiator etc...

Thor has already trashed Gladiator and, while in Warrior's Madness, stomped Silver Surfer.

And dont forget the time when Silver Surfer powers where amped by Loki's magic.

@venomoushatred1001: When he "stomped" the Silver Surfer Norrin was not fighting at "his full potential" and Thor had the power gem which is not included in when Thor is at his "full potential". Silver Surfer "Fighting at his full potential" would murder Thor without the powerjem, Odin force our amy outside amping helping Thor.

@MyronLee26: Not because he beat them once or twice ,that they cant beat him.Also current ss and gladiator can take him. As well as many other such as terrax(but thor is so bably writen they make thor win easily. even if it doesnt make sense).thor is the poster boy...he basically cant loose, at least not against less popular characters.

@stu said:

gladiator can take him.

No, he can't:

@stu said:

terrax(but thor is so bably writen they make thor win easily. even if it doesnt make sense).t

SERIOUSLY??!?!?! No way can that Jobber beat Thor. He is by far the weakest herald of Galactus. Also:

@CapitolPunishment said:

@venomoushatred1001: When he "stomped" the Silver Surfer Norrin was not fighting at "his full potential" and Thor had the power gem which is not included in when Thor is at his "full potential". Silver Surfer "Fighting at his full potential" would murder Thor without the powerjem, Odin force our amy outside amping helping Thor.

• Black Adam
• Swamp Thing
• Orion
• Martian Manhunter
• Lucifer Morningstar
• SuperBoy Prime

@DCHERO15 said:

• Black Adam

No.

• Orion

Debatable.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

SERIOUSLY??!?!?! No way can that Jobber beat Thor. He is by far the weakest herald of Galactus. Also:

Air-Walker and Nova wanted to say "Hi". Terrax at the very least can cleave planets in half, but the problem is he is such a jobber he can't win a fight to save his life(literally, Annihilus hijacked him with bugs and he got knocked around by Gamora).

@MyronLee26: That's nice and all but as I said, Thor was sporting the power gem. You know what that does right?

@CapitolPunishment said:

@MyronLee26: That's nice and all but as I said, Thor was sporting the power gem. You know what that does right?

Thor did not have the power gem in that fight.

@MyronLee26: yea i konw that...its call bad writing

@stu said:

@MyronLee26: yea i konw that...its call bad writing

No, its called good showings.

@venomoushatred1001: haha good showing , how?! it doesnt even make sense for someone like terrax to even be hurt by thor. He destroyed a planet with one blow and survive the explosion without a scratch. How could thor beat him. He doesnt even have the power to blow a planet and/or survive the explosion...

@stu said:

@MyronLee26: yea i konw that...its call bad writing

Why is that?

@stu said:

@venomoushatred1001: haha good showing , how?! it doesnt even make sense for someone like terrax to even be hurt by thor. He destroyed a planet with one blow and survive the explosion without a scratch. How could thor beat him. He doesnt even have the power to blow a planet and/or survive the explosion...

Terrax has lost to Sentry, Red Hulk, and Iron Man. He also has had trouble with street levelers. Thor beating Terrax made perfect sense.

Yery few can beat him and the number that could beat him at his full power can be counted on 1 hand.

@stu: @stu said:

@venomoushatred1001: haha good showing , how?! it doesnt even make sense for someone like terrax to even be hurt by thor. He destroyed a planet with one blow and survive the explosion without a scratch. How could thor beat him. He doesnt even have the power to blow a planet and/or survive the explosion...

Thor could do these as well...

I'm gonna need people to stop flagging PunkMastaFlex's post. I've already said something to him about it. 

I'm gonna need people to stop flagging PunkMastaFlex's post. I've already said something to him about it. 

Batman with prep ofcourse Trollolol

Saint of Killers.

@MyronLee26: Not because he beat them once or twice ,that they cant beat him.Also current ss and gladiator can take him. As well as many other such as terrax(but thor is so bably writen they make thor win easily. even if it doesnt make sense).thor is the poster boy...he basically cant loose, at least not against less popular characters.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@DCHERO15 said:

• Black Adam

No.

• Orion

Debatable.

How is Orion debatable but Black Adam isn't when they're roughly in the same strength class?

@Vance Astro:

Did his name change ? i am not sure i say in a recent comic may be i miss read it but the called him guradian ? i might have to look that over. In the annihilators this week

@Lance Uppercut: Because he keeps confusing COULD with WOULD(in any and all scenarios).