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#1 Edited by unBREAKable_Fs4 (1503 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is given FTL speed and reflexes. This is current Thor but feats of past Thor are allowed

VS.

New 52 Hal Jordan
New 52 Wonder Woman (Standard gear)
Nova (Full power)
New 52 Martian Manhunter
H'el

#2 Posted by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

"Thor is given FTL speed and reflexes."

#3 Posted by lowlaville (3581 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears this real easy.

#4 Posted by alessandro_souzamarques (657 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor clears.

#5 Posted by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor could clear. But I see him stopping at MM or Hél

#6 Edited by SheenLantern (6262 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't beat H'El or J'onn.

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#7 Posted by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

He can possibly clear.

#8 Edited by unBREAKable_Fs4 (1503 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears this real easy.

I don't know about that, H'el has shown to be ridiculously powerful

#9 Posted by dondave (34674 posts) - - Show Bio

None of them actually FTL reflexes, if you want to balance it, give them equal speed.

#10 Edited by unBREAKable_Fs4 (1503 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

None of them actually FTL reflexes, if you want to balance it, give them equal speed.

Alright, speed is equalized (as in everyone else has FTL reflexes now lol)

#11 Posted by Fallschirmjager (15350 posts) - - Show Bio

Equalized speed he can't beat J'onn.

#12 Posted by unBREAKable_Fs4 (1503 posts) - - Show Bio

Equalized speed he can't beat J'onn.

Can you please explain? I want to get the thread rolling :)

#13 Edited by alessandro_souzamarques (657 posts) - - Show Bio

Still clears.

#14 Posted by SheenLantern (6262 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by Fallschirmjager (15350 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Edited by unBREAKable_Fs4 (1503 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: IIRC Thor has shown resistance to telepathy and some people say due to his Asgardian physiology, phasing doesn't work on him (not sure how true this is though)

#17 Posted by SheenLantern (6262 posts) - - Show Bio

@unbreakable_fs4: Thor has shown susceptibility to telepathy just as often.

What do you mean phasing doesn't work on him?

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#18 Posted by alessandro_souzamarques (657 posts) - - Show Bio

@alessandro_souzamarques said:

Still clears.

How the hell does he beat H'El and J'onn?

Thor > J'onn on strength, durability and powers department. Lightning equals fire.

Thor is a least as strong as H'el if not stronger, have better durability feats and Thor with Mjolnir has matter manipulation by his own. Thor has resisted with Mjolnir to Ultron's matter manipulation. Also Thor is more powerful.

#19 Posted by SheenLantern (6262 posts) - - Show Bio

@alessandro_souzamarques:

Thor > J'onn on strength

J'onn has no strength feats whatsoever, you couldn't argue that Thor is stronger than him any more than you could argue that he's weaker.

Lightning equals fire

Uh, no it doesn't. Lighting equals lightning.

Thor is a least as strong as H'el if not stronger

Unlikely, H'El casually overpowered Superman who is stronger than Thor.

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#20 Posted by alessandro_souzamarques (657 posts) - - Show Bio

@unbreakable_fs4: Thor has shown susceptibility to telepathy just as often.

What do you mean phasing doesn't work on him?

High resistance to TP is way more consistent.

Mjolnir releases mystical energy that protects Thor from being phased.

#21 Posted by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

@unbreakable_fs4: Thor has shown susceptibility to telepathy just as often.

What do you mean phasing doesn't work on him?

There is one scan of Vision phasing through Thor. Vision hand goes into Thor's body. But before Vision can remove his hand, thor delivers an electric blast that hurts Vision. That is the only one I know of. But it clearly shows that you can penetrate Thor's body. You just can't leave your hand there like Vision did.

#22 Posted by unBREAKable_Fs4 (1503 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: Not totally sure, I was just stating what I had heard. I'm not sure the truthfulness of this though as sometimes out of context scans can be posted to support a character.

#23 Posted by SheenLantern (6262 posts) - - Show Bio

@alessandro_souzamarques:

High resistance to TP is way more consistent.

I guess I can take your word on that.

Mjolnir releases mystical energy that protects Thor from being phased.

What...What does that mean?

It's not an offensive power, J'onn's not affecting Thor, it's a power he uses on himself. I literally have no idea what you're trying to say.

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#24 Edited by SheenLantern (6262 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

There is one scan of Vision phasing through Thor. Vision hand goes into Thor's body. But before Vision can remove his hand, thor delivers an electric blast that hurts Vision. That is the only one I know of. But it clearly shows that you can penetrate Thor's body. You just can't leave your hand there like Vision did.

Ooooohhh riiiiiiight.

Phasing through him, that's what he meant.

I was really confused therre.

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#25 Edited by alessandro_souzamarques (657 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@sheenlantern said:

@unbreakable_fs4: Thor has shown susceptibility to telepathy just as often.

What do you mean phasing doesn't work on him?

There is one scan of Vision phasing through Thor. Vision hand goes into Thor's body. But before Vision can remove his hand, thor delivers an electric blast that hurts Vision. That is the only one I know of. But it clearly shows that you can penetrate Thor's body. You just can't leave your hand there like Vision did.

Wrong when Vision started phasing, Mjolnir released mystical energy that protected Thor and shocked Vision.

#26 Posted by unBREAKable_Fs4 (1503 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: Do you mind posting a scan of this, I'd really appreciate it. I've always heard people argue his susceptibility to phasing but I had never seen the evidence to prove it.

#27 Posted by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@sheenlantern said:

@unbreakable_fs4: Thor has shown susceptibility to telepathy just as often.

What do you mean phasing doesn't work on him?

There is one scan of Vision phasing through Thor. Vision hand goes into Thor's body. But before Vision can remove his hand, thor delivers an electric blast that hurts Vision. That is the only one I know of. But it clearly shows that you can penetrate Thor's body. You just can't leave your hand there like Vision did.

Wrong when Vision started phasing Mjolnir released mystical energy that protected Thor and shocked Vision.

Incorrect. Vision's hand is CLEARLY inside of Thor. Mjolnir did NOT stop the phasing. Thor attacked before Vision could solidify. Thor admits if Vision solidifys then it will hurt him

#28 Posted by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

@unbreakable_fs4: Sure. See post 27. Thor actually had Mjolnir inside of Vision while Vision was phasing. It's not like Mjolnir automatically shields Thor from phasing.

#29 Posted by Pokeysteve (8117 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see him stopping H'el.

#30 Posted by unBREAKable_Fs4 (1503 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: I see, so where did this claim that Mjolnir can hit intangible people come from if it moved through Vision when he was attacking

#31 Posted by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: I see, so where did this claim that Mjolnir can hit intangible people come from if it moved through Vision when he was attacking

Where do all lies on Comicvine come from??? Spoiler Alert: Fanboys Or it happened in a comic I've never seen

#32 Posted by patrat18 (9020 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Edited by alessandro_souzamarques (657 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said:

@alessandro_souzamarques:

Thor > J'onn on strength

J'onn has no strength feats whatsoever, you couldn't argue that Thor is stronger than him any more than you could argue that he's weaker.

Lightning equals fire

Uh, no it doesn't. Lighting equals lightning.

Thor is a least as strong as H'el if not stronger

Unlikely, H'El casually overpowered Superman who is stronger than Thor.

Even pre 52 J'onn didn't had strength feats on pair with Thor.

Lightning is A KIND of fire and actually around 3 times hotter than the core of the Sun. That's just a normal lightning, imagine an amped one.

Superman is weaker than Thor.

#34 Edited by alessandro_souzamarques (657 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:
@alessandro_souzamarques said:

@pooty said:

@sheenlantern said:

@unbreakable_fs4: Thor has shown susceptibility to telepathy just as often.

What do you mean phasing doesn't work on him?

There is one scan of Vision phasing through Thor. Vision hand goes into Thor's body. But before Vision can remove his hand, thor delivers an electric blast that hurts Vision. That is the only one I know of. But it clearly shows that you can penetrate Thor's body. You just can't leave your hand there like Vision did.

Wrong when Vision started phasing Mjolnir released mystical energy that protected Thor and shocked Vision.

Incorrect. Vision's hand is CLEARLY inside of Thor. Mjolnir did NOT stop the phasing. Thor attacked before Vision could solidify. Thor admits if Vision solidifys then it will hurt him

When did I said he didn't phased his hand through Thor? I said when he STARTED phasing. He wasn't even able to solidify his hand. Again I didn't said it wouldn't hurt Thor.

I just said it protected Thor.

#35 Posted by DeathandGrim (2012 posts) - - Show Bio

Giving Thor FTL speed is pretty cheating. Why not put him against opponents that'd actually matchup with him?

Even still I see J'onn laying the smack down on him

#36 Posted by patzello (431 posts) - - Show Bio

@alessandro_souzamarques: Just a fact check: lightning is electricity. Fire requires energy, oxygen and fuel. Electricity is only energy and only requires a medium to travel through.

It is heat that you are talking about. Lighting is believed to be hotter than the sun.

It is possible, however, for lightning to cause fire, but it is not automatically fire.

#37 Posted by Perethorn (3212 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at MM

#38 Edited by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathandgrim said:

Giving Thor FTL speed is pretty cheating. Why not put him against opponents that'd actually matchup with him?

Even still I see J'onn laying the smack down on him

no not really no. Jonn doesnt nearly have the strength to beat him

#39 Posted by Mxyzptlk_CV (1125 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathandgrim said:

Giving Thor FTL speed is pretty cheating. Why not put him against opponents that'd actually matchup with him?

Even still I see J'onn laying the smack down on him

This.

New 52 MM wrecks him...he defeated Despero effortlessly in 2 panels...Thor will beg for mercy...but will be left in coma...

#40 Posted by SheenLantern (6262 posts) - - Show Bio

@alessandro_souzamarques:

Even pre 52 J'onn didn't had strength feats on pair with Thor.

Okay.

Lightning is A KIND of fire and actually around 3 times hotter than the core of the Sun. That's just a normal lightning, imagine an amped one.

Heat has nothing to do with it.

Superman is weaker than Thor.

No he's not.

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#41 Posted by thanosii (1213 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern :what has nu52 Despero done that's greater than shattering multiple planets, in fact who in Nu 52 has planet plus strength.

Thor out muscles this line up and with equal reflexes he can bfr MMh easily and soul steal Hel

#42 Posted by Experio (14339 posts) - - Show Bio

@mxyzptlk_cv: Thor has faced deadlier beings than Despero, doesnt mean he automatically 'wrecks' MM and it goes both ways. Mjolnir disrupts intangibility, can detect invisibility (can also go invisible himself) and Thor TP resistance. unBREAKable_Fs4 has equalized their speeds but Thor is still stronger, more powerful, more durable and has stamina that can last until his down. MM isn't stopping Thor, in fact he can clear this.

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#43 Edited by RetconCrisis (3386 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560 said:

@deathandgrim said:

Giving Thor FTL speed is pretty cheating. Why not put him against opponents that'd actually matchup with him?

Even still I see J'onn laying the smack down on him

no not really no. Jonn doesnt nearly have the strength to beat him

Prepare to be bombarded with scans.

Keep in mind New 52 MMH is even stronger than this.

Knocking down Supes
Fighting JLA solo
Slugging BA in the stomach (and we know that on the Vine it's been confirmed BA is stronger than Thor)
Knocks around Superboy Prime, then when SBP unleashes an attack, MMH is the only one invulnerable enough to it.
Regenerating from a single slither or body left

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#44 Posted by SheenLantern (6262 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanosii said:

what has nu52 Despero done that's greater than shattering multiple planets

Despero? What?

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#45 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis: none of those equate to lifting the twilight sword (incalculable weight) or lifting the the midgard serpent

spoilers

thor hurts the chaos king

thor takes it to big G

thor covers at least a third of the planet in lighting however. if you read the text i believe he covers all of it!

Thor's durability far outweighs Supes, MMs, or WWs (and i am not even counting Thor's Silver age stuff!)

oh and here thor takes it to a rather BA looking dormammu. who btw consistently gives strange problems. including classic strange.

thor's resistance to telepathy protects him there, so i really dont see what MMH has on Thor now

#46 Posted by SheenLantern (6262 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis: none of those equate to lifting the twilight sword (incalculable weight) or lifting the the midgard serpent

I still have never heard the Twilight Sword referred to in that manner.

And why is the Midgard Serpent thing so impressive?

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#47 Edited by RetconCrisis (3386 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560: Thor's invulnerability is not greater than Supes, as of without exposure to magic or kryptonite.

I'm not saying MMH beats Thor, I'm saying he won't cut through him like soft butter.

Even if he beats MMH, I don't think he'll beat H'el. H'el has tanked planet shaking punches from Supes (literally shaking the whole planet and even the Watchtower in space), blitzed Superman in point a to b in only one panel length, and he can shrink Thor down to an ant size and step on him.

EDIT: Why is CV cutting off all my posts? >,<

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#48 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560 said:

@retconcrisis: none of those equate to lifting the twilight sword (incalculable weight) or lifting the the midgard serpent

I still have never heard the Twilight Sword referred to in that manner.

And why is the Midgard Serpent thing so impressive?

the midgard serpent was crushing the Earth (literally) at the time. now the weight required to do that is... impressive to say the least.

now unfortunately this was released long before i was born and i have struggled to find it. (in vain) but if the serpent was crushing the earth the amount of force required to lift it would have been extreme

@ghostravage and @cosmicallyaware1 can probably tell you more. i've been told that lifting the midgard serpent at that time would be like lifting the Earth (which i can believe)

and the twilight sword lifting was pretty legit but i believe the only three people that have picked it up are Surtur, Odin, and Thor.

#49 Posted by BigCimmerian (7863 posts) - - Show Bio

He clears, but he could potentially lose to Martian, without speed boost Martian curbstomps him.

#50 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560: Thor's invulnerability is not greater than Supes, as of without exposure to magic or kryptonite.

I'm not saying MMH beats Thor, I'm saying he won't cut through him like soft butter.

Even if he beats MMH, I don't think he'll beat H'el. H'el has tanked planet shaking punches from Supes (literally shaking the whole planet and even the Watchtower in space), blitzed Superman in point a to b in only one panel length, and he can shrink Thor down to an ant size and step on him.

EDIT: Why is CV cutting off all my posts? >,<

wanna bet? like i said i am not even counting the silver age and his durability is much more than supes. the guy took blows from Surtur and got right back up (Surtur was also throwing around Odin like he was weightless, just for reference!)