Thor runs the Combat Speed Gautlet

Let me dispel the misconceptions I am seeing:

travel speed(running) is a innate ability of thor, so is his combat speed(lightning), and reactionary speed(microsecond).

His flight speed(via mjolnir) has nothing to do with this gauntlet!

That said, stops at Superman.

@moldybutt70 said:

@Buckshot: look i get where your coming from. i honestly do. but heres the thing: do you think someone that has fought at microseconds, moved in a blur of motion, moves faster than the eye can comprehend, has reacted to things inches away from his fast, and swung him hammer 2x the speed of light should LOGICALLY be tagged by guys like wolverine or mongoose? i certainly think not. aside from poor writing, thor also holds back. he usually limits himself to casual speeds because of morals and the sake of plot. unfortunately for thor, he has more of these low showings than he does high in the speed/reaction area, but i honestly dont think that should overall label him as a slow character, because hes not at all.

so, i dont know man. frankly, it seems like writers nowadays could care less about thors character and his great history with stan lee and jack kirby.

you can label him whatever you wish, but in my opinion its simply false to view him as a slow character that can get blitzed easily when hes had a good amount of impressive feats in that area

He once threw a punch in the space of a few microseconds and then caught his hammer. The next few things you list off are things Cap and Wolverine can do. They can both move faster the people can see and react to things right in front of them. Swinging his hammer as fast as he does isn't actually a speed feat. Even ignoring what the hammer can do on its own, you can spin a weighted rope much faster than you yourself could operate. You could spin it faster than you are able to move, faster than you could react to it, even faster than you could see (the end of the rope clearly). You can't obviously spin it faster than light, but you also can't lift a building or do magic, and since the spinning of the hammer is almost always magical in and of itself (unless you think Thor opening portals or his flight or summoning lightning are things he could realistically achieve without magic and solely through the speed of his swing) I don't consider it wholly his ability. So do I think that a character that has one feat that places him in microsecond speeds and a bunch of other street level feats and then some feats that clearly show he has trouble reacting much faster than street level, would get tagged by street level characters? Yes, I do. It surprises me that you'd harp on what's logical, and then base your entire stance on feats that are outliers instead of what's consistent.You say "writers nowadays could care less about Thor's...great history" with lee and kirby, but why do a few showings there make anything that contradicts that wrong? If he was written as slow by lee and kirby and then decades of writing after that made him really fast, I'm sure you'd have no problem going with what was modern and consistent then. Or let's take strength, if he was written as weaker before, and was shown to be stronger now, would you refuse to accept his higher strength level? If he needed his belt of strength to lift a building in the past but could do such a thing now and consistently showed that level of strength, which would you accept? You talk about his "great history" but more of his history shows him to be a character with street level speed.

@thesilentghost: lol, you seem to be getting bent out of shape pretty easily. I didnt say Thor's hammer gave him combat or reactionary speed. Thor's hammer tows him at very high speeds and people can confuse its ability to avoid obstacles at this speed with thor's, giving him the appearance of high operational speed which he does not consistently have. It seems like you're trying pretty hard to correct an error I didn't make. I'd suggest you calm down.

@thesilentghost said:

Let me dispel the misconceptions I am seeing:

travel speed(running) is a innate ability of thor, so is his combat speed(lightning), and reactionary speed(microsecond).

His flight speed(via mjolnir) has nothing to do with this gauntlet!

That said, stops at Superman.

I'd disagree with that. You're basing his combat speed off a simile and his reaction speed off a single feat decades ago. You're crediting him with operational speed that is not supported by and is even clearly contradicted by modern and consistent showings. Basing his performance off his consistent performance and the majority of his feats, he stops at Spider-Man.

@Buckshot: him fighting at microseconds is still a solid feat, and when exactly has wolverine or captain america moved or fought that fast? thor has also deflected artillary fire with mjolnir using his left hand only, and thats only something cap america might do because his shield covers a large radius. thor has tagged guys like silver surfer before, caught a speedster using his cape, reacted to phoenix with her own blast while dazed, and trapped the avengers including a zooming quicksilver in a trench. your acting as if thor as a very few amount of feats in this area, when hes had plenty to prove hes well above street levelers. also your quite wrong on your assumptions about me. i go by how the character was originally intended to be, not by what i want to see. if thor was originally written as a slow character, and he recently started getting a bunch of high speed feats, i would call that PIS. but its quite the opposite with thor. unless you want to tell me whats so significantly different about classic thor and modern thor, im going to call him getting hit a bunch of times and not being able to react to street levelers as crap writing.

and you know what? maybe thor really isnt that fast when it comes to combat compared to superman or wonder woman. but thats not my point.

the point im trying to make is hes not nearly as slow as everyone makes him out to be, and he wouldnt just get easily blitz by a someone that has superman level speed

@CitizenBane:

You sure that's thor? Looks like Thunderstrike.

@moldybutt70 said:

@Buckshot: him fighting at microseconds is still a solid feat, and when exactly has wolverine or captain america moved or fought that fast? thor has also deflected artillary fire with mjolnir using his left hand only, and thats only something cap america might do because his shield covers a large radius. thor has tagged guys like silver surfer before, caught a speedster using his cape, reacted to phoenix with her own blast while dazed, and trapped the avengers including a zooming quicksilver in a trench. your acting as if thor as a very few amount of feats in this area, when hes had plenty to prove hes well above street levelers. also your quite wrong on your assumptions about me. i go by how the character was originally intended to be, not by what i want to see. if thor was originally written as a slow character, and he recently started getting a bunch of high speed feats, i would call that PIS. but its quite the opposite with thor. unless you want to tell me whats so significantly different about classic thor and modern thor, im going to call him getting hit a bunch of times and not being able to react to street levelers as crap writing.

and you know what? maybe thor really isnt that fast when it comes to combat compared to superman or wonder woman. but thats not my point.

the point im trying to make is hes not nearly as slow as everyone makes him out to be, and he wouldnt just get easily blitz by a someone that has superman level speed

It's always the same sad feats over and over again. Thor tagging Surfer? Easy when Surfer's not actually operating at a high speed (or when Thor throws a hammer that can move faster than light and do whatever it needs to in order to tag a target). Catching a speedster? Clotheslining speedsters is standard streetlevel procedure, and Thor's also been unable to tag speedsters. Reacting to an energy attack? Not something unique to Thor since other characters with street level speed have done it, and Thor has since been attacked by Rachel and was unable to duplicate the feat. And on and on. The same feats have been gone over countless times and in the end, there are a small handful that actually show him having faster than street level speed, and ~5 out of thousands isn't a great track record when there are feats that clearly show that Thor doesn't have that kind of speed, like when Thor himself says street level characters are quicker than him or Cap clearly states that Thor's reaction times are less than impressive. You act like its only recently that his speed has been street level when he's been slow for longer than he was fast. You hang on to your stance, but I'm never going to understand why some people use contradictory outliers as the basis for their views when dozens (hundreds?) of writers have decided that Thor's speed isn't worth writing about.

@ripcurl said:

@CitizenBane:

You sure that's thor? Looks like Thunderstrike.

@CitizenBane said:

I'm aware that it's Masterson, but I don't see it making that much of a difference. Masterson had "the power of Thor" just like Beta Ray Bill and the other knockoffs do, and he was more or less competent at its usage, judging by how he did against people like Annihilus and Ronan. I understand that his showings as Thunderstrike never really amounted to a whole lot. But Captain America noted that even the original Thor had lousy reaction time after Masterson flunked that practice session at Avengers Mansion.

And it's not like regular Thor would do any differently against Spidey, honestly.

@Buckshot: well maybe your right. i guess thor isnt that fast when it comes to combat speed, and i cant deny whats happening consistently in the comics. based on some of the good speed feats hes had, i think he should at least be able to effectively maneuver with high street levelers. i dont care what you say, but writers trying to put him below that is bad writing and highly discrediting him.

and overall, its not like this even proves a lot anyway. thor should still be able to dodge or block by swinging his hammer fairly well against even high speedsters like superman if hes actually written to what he can do. he doesnt always necessarily have to be as quick or skilled in combat as someone like wonder woman. and if you ask me, his power and versatility covers up pretty well for whatever "lack" of speed he has that isnt even as slow as people think it is

@Buckshot said:

I'd disagree with that. You're basing his combat speed off a simile and his reaction speed off a single feat decades ago. You're crediting him with operational speed that is not supported by and is even clearly contradicted by modern and consistent showings. Basing his performance off his consistent performance and the majority of his feats, he stops at Spider-Man.

Classic feats are still valid.

Some, if not most, of his modern showings are PIS.

@moldybutt70 said:

@Buckshot: well maybe your right. i guess thor isnt that fast when it comes to combat speed, and i cant deny whats happening consistently in the comics. based on some of the good speed feats hes had, i think he should at least be able to effectively maneuver with high street levelers. i dont care what you say, but writers trying to put him below that is bad writing and highly discrediting him.

and overall, its not like this even proves a lot anyway. thor should still be able to dodge or block by swinging his hammer fairly well against even high speedsters like superman if hes actually written to what he can do. he doesnt always necessarily have to be as quick or skilled in combat as someone like wonder woman. and if you ask me, his power and versatility covers up pretty well for whatever "lack" of speed he has that isnt even as slow as people think it is

I can agree with the bolded statement without issue.

@thesilentghost said:

@Buckshot said:

I'd disagree with that. You're basing his combat speed off a simile and his reaction speed off a single feat decades ago. You're crediting him with operational speed that is not supported by and is even clearly contradicted by modern and consistent showings. Basing his performance off his consistent performance and the majority of his feats, he stops at Spider-Man.

Classic feats are still valid.

Some, if not most, of his modern showings are PIS.

The feats happened and they can be considered, but I also consider his hundreds (thousands?) of feats that place him at street level speed and multiple feats that don't just suggest street level speed but limit him to it. You consider all these feats less valid because of some reason I can't fathom (your personal determination of where Thor's speed should be despite the hundreds of paid writers and artists whose job it is to portray his speed?), but I consider Thor's few classic speed feats (and please don't act like even classically Thor was consistently shown to have high operational speed) to be less valid because they are not consistent. Call all his street level feats invalid PIS if you like, but the evidence isn't really on your side.

thor has reacted in microseconds and nanoseconds, beat loki and fenris so hard his fists were smoking, reacted to projectiles inches away from his face, moved in a blur of motion, caught a zooming speedster with his cape, and has many references of people acknowledging his speed. now im not sure where that exactly puts him on the list, but i believe based on some of those feats he should, at the very least, be able to easily fight with the highest street levelers. hes honestly not THAT slow

@darkazrael999 said:

Thor has the feats to show that he is fast.

Sentry was wrote to be faster than him

@AngryHulks said:

@CitizenBane said:

@AngryHulks:

Like I said, Thor stopping at Quicksilver is probably a generous estimate.

I don't read a lot of Thor comic, but how old is this?

That is not Thor. Isn't the Eric Masterson (Thunderstrike) using Mjolnir?

@Charlie_Jade said:

@darkazrael999 said:

Thor has the feats to show that he is fast.

Sentry was wrote to be faster than him

nice pic ,guessing this was from one of the Siege's one shots?

Stops at Spider Man.

Stops at Spider-Man.

He can't clear at all but either spider-man or Quicksilver he stops at .

Wolverine. Trolol.

But he can't get farther than spiderman, much less quicksilver.

Stops at Superman. Maybe Sentry. Clears if he goes all out.

Can spider-man deliver a punch in a microsecond or millisecond, can he catch a tank shell, react to a blast of telepathy, strike twice before gladiator in blitzing mode could reach him?????

Show me a scan of Sentry reacting in a microsecond, and show me scans of Thor bloodlusted being blitzed by street-level guys? Thor holds back against speedsters even more then against others since the impact would be higher.

Yes.

@sheenlantern: you're joking right??

@themadsurfer: No.

@sheenlantern: He(spide) can punch in microsecond??? Does Sentry has any microsecond feat????

@themadsurfer: Probably.

HELL NO!!

He doesn't clear this at all. Even if he somehow got past Quicksilver the remaining combatants knock him out.

Thor is canonically slower than Spider-Man, if he can do it. Peter must be able to.

@sheenlantern: OK

@evil_incarnate: You're right he stops at Sentry in reaction speed due to microsecond although he was able to strike twice before a bloodlusted/determinate Gladiator(nanosecond feats) could blitz him with a distraction. Gladiator is faster than Thor although.

Hammer swings only? He shouldn't be able to land a hit on Spider-Man

Let's compile a list of high and low speed thor and compare huh? All the masterson ones are invalid, Thor was way too fast for him and he was even confused as to why masterson was fighting him. Thor went to talk to wolverine who thought Thor was sabretooth, Thor knows he doesn't have to worry about being hurt by wolverine, he just ended it so he could talk. Then there's quicksilver aoe that is canceled out by the trench before quicksilver could react feat. Hit me with feats instead of just saying that there are many. And mjolnir can auto lock as was shown against silver surfer.

Why is Thor slower than Spider Man? Please show me why. Show me those two or three scans that I know it's all you got. I'll show you at least 8 feats showing the opposite.

@alessandro_souzamarques: How about we just skip to that part.

he stops at Nightwing (round 1)

Stop at quick silver

might stop at round 1. but ill be nice and say he stops at quicksilver

Suddenly Nightwing has microsecond reaction speed.

Stops at 3, nicely, at 4.

Stops at 2.

Is he able to use auto-pilot on mjolnir?

Bump.

Stops at Sentry

Quicksilver hits him enough

Honestly he could stop at Nightwing but I don't need Thor fanboys hounding me.

As already shown, he stops at Logan.

Stops at webhead

Stops at Logan

Stops at Wolverine.

Stops at Wolverine. He gets hit 10 times before he lands a blow.