Superman is much faster than Diana and he would see her frozen in a battle
In all the countless times they have fought through the years (cannon and out of cannon),she has always been able to land hits on him. She has enough speed to fight him and land hits,and as far as reflexes go she has the better feat catalogue there. Reacting to super fast attacks is her thing and you should know that. When people think of Superman they think of super strength,that is his thing,that's what he is known for. When people think of Wonder Woman they think of insane reflexes that she has to react in time to block almost anything coming her way with her classic bracelets reflection move,that's what she is known for. She doesn't lack the feats to prove she is fast enough to fight him and her trackrecord against him is a great proof of that too.
And on top of it all i don't know why you are comparing them in this thread when this is not a SM VS WW thread.
Thor is fast in combat,more than some people give him credit for. Sure he hasn't as many speed feats as other characters here but that doesn't make him as slow as an street leveler and he has more good speed feats than bad,consistency is in his favor. With that said he stops at Superman.
In all the countless times they have fought through the years (cannon and out of cannon),she has always been able to land hits on him. She has enough speed to fight him and land hits,and as far as reflexes go she has the better feat catalogue there. Reacting to super fast attacks is her thing and you should know that. When people think of Superman they think of super strength,that is his thing,that's what he is known for. When people think of Wonder Woman they think of insane reflexes that she has to react in time to block almost anything coming her way with her classic bracelets reflection move,that's what she is known for. She doesn't lack the feats to prove she is fast enough to fight him and her trackrecord against him is a great proof of that too.
Clark has already putted her to the sun before even she reacts in "Sacrifice ".
well It takes about 1 centisecond/1 millisecond "10.000.000 nanoseconds" for the light that hits your retina to then be processed by your brain and when Hal Jordan's ring dilated the time within' a fraction of nanosecond(picoseconds) Clark was able to move and talk like nothing changed.Since Diana doesn't have even 1 feat like that,she couldn't able to see Clark if Clark moves at his best
just like that
If you look through window while you're moving so fast with car(for example you can travel at light - speed but your brain couldn't allow you to see and perceive the world at the same speed),you'll see that everything look like move really fast(for you).Because your vision couldn't allow you to see the world at the same speed.You can only travel at that speeds.If your brain would accelerate your vision to same speed,you'll see everything moving slow when you looked through that window.
and for Clark,he can move and talk in a fraction of nanosecond which means his brain allows him to think,see and perceive at the same speed.Thats because he would see himself moving at regular speed and he would see everything around him in slow motion.and the others couldn't able to see him
@dorukesin: She has reacted to his speeblitz in other fights and reacted to him in that Sacrifice fight as well,in your last scan he is saying she is no speeding bullet when in fact she is way faster than a speeding bullet. She has landed hits on him in all their fights even in the fights where he was going all out,he is not untouchable for her and their fights prove that.
Tor Stops at Spiderman, Qucksilver, idk about Sentry. Thor doesn't stand a chance against Superman and WonderWoman. Thor is fast in travel Speed, but not in combat Speed.
@dorukesin: She has reacted to his speeblitz in other fights and reacted to him in that Sacrifice fight as well,in your last scan he is saying she is no speeding bullet when in fact she is way faster than a speeding bullet. She has landed hits on him in all his fights even in the fights where he was going all out,he is not untouchable for her and their fights prove that.
the thing is she wasn't able to react him before he put her to the sun.And Clark thought it was Doomsday so it's not even a fair fight.I know that Diana is faster than a speeding bullet but that really doesn't change anything since Clark could see that bullets frozen in the air.
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Diana already admitted to not being able to beat Clark.You can just couldn't take it.
Clark is faster than Diana and uses his speed much rarely than her.on foot or on air Clark's best thing is speed.You should dealt with it
@dorukesin: Nobody here talked about who would win in a fight,this is not a SM vs WW thread yet you started comparing. I don't have to deal with anything,i'm not the one that needs to say how WW is supposedly a joke next to Superman in every thread that has their names on it even when the thread itself is not a fight between them. WW has landed hits on him in all their fights including the one from league of one that you posted,she has given him a run for his money in all their fights and has a change to win though i give him a majority,but all this is irrelevant because this is not the place to discuss this. Most people have gone through this mllion times before and 95% of the people agree she is fast and powerful enough to fight him because in all their fights she proved to be able to do just that. You can't say he would put her down without a fight because their battles prove she can indeed put up a fight against him going all out.
@dorukesin: Nobody here talked about who would win in a fight,this is not a SM vs WW thread yet you started comparing. I don't have to deal with anything,i'm not the one that needs to say how WW is supposedly a joke next to Superman in every thread that has their names on it even when the thread itself is not a fight between them. WW has landed hits on him in all their fights including the one from league of one that you posted,she has given him a run for his money in all their fights and has a change to win though i give him a majority,but all this is irrelevant because this is not the place to discuss this. Most people have gone through this mllion times before and 95% of the people agree she is fast and powerful enough to fight him because in all their fights she proved to be able to do just that. You can't say he would put her down without a fight because their battles prove she can indeed put up a fight against him going all out.
of course we are talking about their speed.I didn't say Diana is a joke to Clark.I said Clark is faster than her
Thor is fast in combat,more than some people give him credit for. Sure he hasn't as many speed feats as other characters here but that doesn't make him as slow as an street leveler and he has more good speed feats than bad,consistency is in his favor. With that said he stops at Superman.
Wrong, he doesn't even get close to Superman. Thor has consistently had trouble directly tagging anyone with street level speed. Spider-Man, Mongoose, Captain America, James Rogers (Steve's son from Dimension X), Wolverine, Angela and more have all shown up Thor with their speed and he;s been completely unable to tag them. Any speed feat on Thor's part is either
A Classic showing (which doesn't match up to his Current Power levels)
Performed by Mjolnir (which doesn't mean Thor can replicate it)
Has significant context behind it
Was performed on a character who wasn't or doesn't use super speed in combat e.g Silver Surfer
This thread is basically the ultimate evidence and argument for Thor having street level speed at best. If you'd actually taken the time to read through this thread and seen the arguments made by several of the site's top debaters, you'd see how wrong you are. As it stands, there's no valid argument where Thor is getting past Wolverine or Spider-Man.
Seriously, he should stop at spidey if he has spider sense(so yes if we are assuming current, no for current when this thread was created, i think), and is not getting passed quicksiver. No way
thor holds back while his stay on midgard.. otherwise he could put the survival of earth in jeopardy... what do you guys think will happen if thor strikes wolverine, or say quicksilver at the same speed he strikes the likes of say kurse or gorr?... i don't think thor actually wants to kill them in one hit.
@CitizenBane: I am aware of that. But you cannot just ignore those feats. I know that Thor suffers from inconsistency and bad writing but all those feats are legit and should be used in any argument.
I can dismiss them as inconsistent in the larger picture of how fast Thor is in an average showing, sure. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do if he only whips out his speed once every 50 showings.
Wolverine. You're lucky I'm not making a case for Nightwing...
i read your comments buckshot and thought they were on point. However, i still come across people that think thor is consistently written far above street level and scoff at the idea that he could just be a mere street level combat speed character.
thor holds back while his stay on midgard.. otherwise he could put the survival of earth in jeopardy... what do you guys think will happen if thor strikes wolverine, or say quicksilver at the same speed he strikes the likes of say kurse or gorr?... i don't think thor actually wants to kill them in one hit.
Thor once threw Mjolnir to the end of the galaxy, then had it return under 60 seconds. Thats like 80x the speed of light. If he sticks to immediatly throwing it, then he clears.
@chimeroid: Although, that was probably in a specific situation. Anyways, Thor controls his hammer mentally and if he immediately sees them as enemies, the hammer could go faster than light and BOOM! Done.
Thor once threw Mjolnir to the end of the galaxy, then had it return under 60 seconds. Thats like 80x the speed of light. If he sticks to immediatly throwing it, then he clears.
Has anyone who mentions this feat ever actually read I, Whom the Gods Would Destroy? Thor didn't throw Mjolnir to the end of the galaxy, Odin forced the hammer back to stop Thor from killing himself.
@chimeroid: Although, that was probably in a specific situation. Anyways, Thor controls his hammer mentally and if he immediately sees them as enemies, the hammer could go faster than light and BOOM! Done.
And yet again, there have been way more than only one occassion where Thor could have done that but instead he got hit more than once by people who are supposed to be slower than him.
@tdk_1997: that is also because of the way he thinks.. he is a brute keep that in mind.. IF he was as smart as bats he would just sit back and let Mjolnir do all the work...
@tdk_1997: Thor is kind of an idiot with his powers, yet he has some pretty amazing feats. Kinda inconsistent, but he's got potential.
He has feats, no doubt, but because of his inconsistency and stupidity and just slow reactions he wouldnt be able to do much here and get any further than Wolverine or Spider-Man.
@tdk_1997: that is also because of the way he thinks.. he is a brute keep that in mind.. IF he was as smart as bats he would just sit back and let Mjolnir do all the work...
True that. However, there are also many brutes who also like to think before they act....unlike Thor.
He probably stops at Spider-Man. The idea Thor no longer has superhuman reflexes because writer's don't write him that way....is ludicrous.
Has it occurred to anyone that there are no industry standards in place governing what a writer has to know about a character's power set and that maybe Thor is written with super speed because someone along a writer didn't realize he had super speed? It's a convenient argument for people who want to low ball the character.
And all characters with super speed, from Spider-Man to Wally West have been tagged by really slow characters.
stops easily at 2 or possibly even 1 depending on what moderator @buckshot has to say since he's a top dog and thinks thor gets slaughtered right away at round 1
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