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#1 Posted by EddieTheHead666 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

T    The God of Thunder      vs The Super Soldier 
Thor has no powers for this fight, both are allowed their armour  and signiature weapons for this fiight (Milonjir has no energy coming out of it.)  And the fight is taking place in open plain in the American Prairies. So, who do think would win?
#2 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America wins. He's a better fighter and has better combat feats, he is also phyiscally superior to Thor.

#3 Posted by Xavier St. Cloud (1924 posts) - - Show Bio

What do you mean by Thor has no powers... Human level?
#4 Posted by blackadam (2137 posts) - - Show Bio

CA
#5 Posted by whacknasty (5628 posts) - - Show Bio
@comicdude23 said:
" Captain America wins. He's a better fighter and has better combat feats, he is also phyiscally superior to Thor. "
@Xavier St. Cloud said:
" What do you mean by Thor has no powers... Human level? "
Thats what I'm wondering... I thought your average Asgardians were a couple times more durable/stronger that your average human, with the higher ups in the pantheon being even above that.  A high level Asgardian like Thor, even without his godly powers, would be physically outclassed by Cap?
#6 Posted by Dracade102 (8167 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America wins.

#7 Posted by God_Spawn (38137 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor.
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#8 Posted by jayskee (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

 


 


 



 

cap wins
#9 Posted by Jake Fury (18977 posts) - - Show Bio

The OP needs to be cleared up greatly before this goes on.
#10 Edited by Assman (1863 posts) - - Show Bio
@comicdude23 said:

"Captain America wins. He's a better fighter and has better combat feats, he is also phyiscally superior to Thor. "


??? Really?? Better than a few thousand year old god who's been fighting train since birth, still has superior strength and stats without any of his powers. 
 
as to the op, they stated no powers, so that's no Mjolnir and no other godly powers, just his stats as an asgardian, which Thor>any asgardian, even his farther in sum, as far as strength and speed go.  Thor's still much stronger and faster than Cap without Mjolnir and his other abstract powers.
#11 Posted by Nefarious (21429 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor wins.

#12 Posted by pooty (11437 posts) - - Show Bio
@Assman:  Going by "what should be" Thor would win. But going by feats CA got this. Thor hasn't shown anything in fighting skills that can hold a candle to Thor. But a normal Asgardian is like 3-5x more durable, stronger than a human. Nothing the Captain hasn't handled before.
#13 Posted by PirateKing69 (4290 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anybody have feats for Thor's h2h skills? I'm going with Cap for now

#14 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14860 posts) - - Show Bio

well as Mjolnir can still fly Thor throws at supersonic speed at Cap and kills him

#15 Edited by God_Spawn (38137 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if both are around relative levels i still think Thor takes it. Thor even depowered has taken on people when he only had mjolnir
 
 











When people bring up cap's skill and has more experience cap was on ice for years. Relatively its more like cap has less than 20 years of martial arts mastery while others were getting better at fighting like bucky for example. Sure cap is a master martial artist then again so is wolverine who has been alive and fighting since the late 1800's . He should have more experience than cap does. Thor has been training since he was a kid a 1000-2000 years ago and has mastered many weapons, hell he has even used cap's shield once. If anyone wants to give it to cap cause of skill or experience fine, If i was as strong as Thor and fought weaker opponents i wouldnt waste time on using martial arts when im 100+ ton effortlessly near invulnerable god, id get things done quick unless i really had to fight smart. When wolverine ever has to use skill, he is a beast yet we hardly see him use his fighting abilities instead of lunging and tanking and healing and wolverine is considered above cap in fighting ability.
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#16 Posted by pooty (11437 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn:  I agree that Thor should be the better fighter. But if we go by experience and length of time fighting than Champion should destroy everyone. But going by what i've seen Cap has to rely on skill unlike Thor. So pound for pound i think Cap takes it.
#17 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Is there anything Thor CAN'T do for you guys? Sheesh. He might have thousands of years of experience in fighting, but all that fighting has consisted of hammer swinging in Asgardian battles, which I highly doubt incorporated much martial arts.

#18 Edited by God_Spawn (38137 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty: i can see where you are coming from but champion may have been fighting for a long time but fighting how necessarily? Just punching around hoping overwhelming strength would suffice? Cap is shown constantly using his skill so its acceptable to say he would win because he has to fight with skill compared to the opponents he faces. Thor hardly ever uses skills since he doesnt have to with most his fights, same reason why i added wolverine to that statement he hardly shows MA skills all the time but he has documented abilities that show he is a master.  
 
 

@texasdeathmatch:

 
 
Thor even depowered as i shown fought those creatures was depowerd to near mortal levels so he had to rely on skill. Thor has also been trainined in various weapons. 
 
he showed up lady sif when he was younger.
 

 




 
 
Thor even picks up caps shield and uses it  when Thor again was depowered.
 


Im not gonna say cap cant win, because in this scenario he can but thor no powers has a shot as well
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#19 Posted by _Courage_ (1183 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn: 
That's still nothing compared to some of Cap's feats. Steve is the better fighter.
#20 Posted by God_Spawn (38137 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Courage_: 
Cap has more feats based on skill than Thor does, Cap can be argued better because virtually everyone of his showings his skill. Thor hardly has the feats put out to keep up with cap's resume on paper. Cap can win and Thor can win this. It isnt a complete write off for either person.
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#21 Posted by _Courage_ (1183 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn: 
Agreed.
#22 Posted by TheCrusader (101 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate. Tie.
#23 Posted by termiteone4ever (7763 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor got this . his durability would be the edge here

#24 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio
@termiteone4ever said:
" Thor got this . his durability would be the edge here "
Thor does not have any durability for this thread.  
 
Rogers wins. 
#25 Posted by pooty (11437 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik:  well he still has his natural Asgardian physiology which is a few times better than even a perfect human. but nothing Cap can't overcome.
#26 Posted by Vance Astro (91291 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheCrusader said:
" Stalemate. Tie. "
How would it be a stalemate? Captain America is a better fighter than Thor whether he has his powers or not...and by miles.It's not even close.
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#27 Posted by Vance Astro (91291 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty said:
" @god_spawn:  I agree that Thor should be the better fighter. But if we go by experience and length of time fighting than Champion should destroy everyone. 
Why SHOULD he be the better fighter? People don't know how experience works at all.If someone is being trained by better sources and has had more intense battles with more skilled fighters they will always be a better fighter than someone who simply has experience.Nothing Thor has experienced will prepare him for a fight with Rogers.Thor usually fights POWERFUL characters..not skilled.The same goes for the Champion.He doesn't have any skill feats and most of the characters he has beaten even with the power gem are weaker than him with or without the gem.He doesn't get any props for beating up Adam Warlock,Beta Ray Bill,and other mediocre fighters especially not when using something that makes him the strongest being in the Universe.In actuality Thanos is probably a better fighter than The Champion.Pathetic showings his entire career.
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#28 Edited by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty said:

" @erik:  well he still has his natural Asgardian physiology which is a few times better than even a perfect human. but nothing Cap can't overcome. "

I am assuming the OP did not know how to phrase it correctly but was going for what I said. He also said that Mjolnir has no energy coming out of it, which I took as it cannot use energy projectile attacks. 
#29 Posted by Hellos (8914 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik said:
" @termiteone4ever said:
" Thor got this . his durability would be the edge here "
Thor does not have any durability for this thread.   Rogers wins.  "

I'd assume he meant Thor's chainmail outfit that can soak up heat from right next to the sun without melting and tank a beating from the Sentry.
#30 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos said:
" @erik said:
" @termiteone4ever said:
" Thor got this . his durability would be the edge here "
Thor does not have any durability for this thread.   Rogers wins.  "
I'd assume he meant Thor's chainmail outfit that can soak up heat from right next to the sun without melting and tank a beating from the Sentry. "
I believe that has a lot to do with Thor's magical endowments that are not present in this thread. His armor gets busted up quite a bit in his ongoing. 
#31 Posted by Hellos (8914 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik said:
" @Hellos said:
" @erik said:
" @termiteone4ever said:
" Thor got this . his durability would be the edge here "
Thor does not have any durability for this thread.   Rogers wins.  "
I'd assume he meant Thor's chainmail outfit that can soak up heat from right next to the sun without melting and tank a beating from the Sentry. "
I believe that has a lot to do with Thor's magical endowments that are not present in this thread. His armor gets busted up quite a bit in his ongoing.  "

What magical endowments?  
It's his clothes in general are pretty damn durable, that doesn't stop the Destroy from vaporizing them and yet not denting an OdinForce Thor via visor attack. 
Just generally anything from asgard seems made of "tougher stuff" then what your going to be finding on Cap. 
 
It's not going to stop the pain from Cap's shield but it will soak up some damage.
#32 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos:  
Just magical defenses in general such as the Odinforce.  
 
Obviously he did not have that for the Sentry fight but any Sentry expert cough Vance cough will tell you that Sentry was jobbing like crazy in Siege.  
 
Generally Asgardian shields are better than Rogers' shield? No. That is not true at all.  
 
Furthermore, Irom Man has never noted Thor's armor of being impressive stuff but has for Rogers. And yes, the armor Rogers wears does grant him a great deal of protection. 
#33 Posted by pooty (11437 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro:  based on the Marvel Handbook Champion has been fighting across the galaxy for years mastering countless styles that most people that we consider "skilled" have never heard of. Champion was taking over entire planets before he even got the power gem just using his billions of years of fighting experience. Likewise before Thor could even lift Mjolnir he was learning from asgards finest on how to fight and defend his self. Steve learned from the US government how to fight. The US government isn't known for H2H combat.  And was frozen therefore not learning any new styles. Champion has conquered entire planets by his fist alone. Most were probably weaker than Champion was. But Steve couldn't defeat a city of regular humans who were attacking him. So Champion and Thor SHOULD   be better fighters. But i go by on panel feats. Thats why i say CA is the better fighter.
#34 Edited by odinforce (1505 posts) - - Show Bio
i know that thors been trained to h2h with the asgardians, pretty good matchup for a trained supersoldier 
 

#35 Posted by jstarzyk (318 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys are missing the most important factor:  The fight is taking place on an open field on the American prairies.  Cap's knowledge of America gives him a supreme tactical advantage. 

#36 Posted by pooty (11437 posts) - - Show Bio
@odinforce:  Captain America lifted Thor's hammer. And Thor has lifted it when depowered as scans on the first page of this thread show.
#37 Posted by Hellos (8914 posts) - - Show Bio
@erik said:
" @Hellos:  
Just magical defenses in general such as the Odinforce.  
 
Obviously he did not have that for the Sentry fight but any Sentry expert cough Vance cough will tell you that Sentry was jobbing like crazy in Siege.   Generally Asgardian shields are better than Rogers' shield? No. That is not true at all.   Furthermore, Irom Man has never noted Thor's armor of being impressive stuff but has for Rogers. And yes, the armor Rogers wears does grant him a great deal of protection.  "

 
I guess I could see a case for Thor's outfit being magical, since it pops up brand new every time he stamps his stick into the ground and turns into Thor, but I'm not sure if that's going to tie into it's durability.  
In general it's less durable than Thor is, but it seems pretty damn thick to be tanking Machine gun fire or in general hits from the majority of people Thor's fighting these days. 
 
 
Well the Odinforce was more so limited to himself and Mjolnir when he used it. It didn't protect his clothes from being vaporized were the Destroyer was blasting him.  
Although I have somewhat my doubts that Thor's cape should have burned up as easily as it did, his cape has been in the heart stars before. 
 
Well it depends, Sentry back in the day was stalemating with Genis and apparently letting out planet destroying force while both holding back and stablizing cosmic cubes on his own for a little bit.  
Seige Sentry was getting tossed away like a ragdoll by Thor's punch, till the Void took over and essentially was taking Thor's hits without a problem slowly turning voidish and making Thor bleed. Although if Void/ Sentry was shorta stuck in CIS as to why he didn't kill everyone with his power set. 
 
To be fair, Asgardian Shield aren't probably made of vibranium(Nothing in Agard is) and don't have anywhere close to some of the absurd feats Steve's shield has. 
 
Does Tony need to remark how awsome Thor is really?  
Honestly, he could be buck naked and be the most durable thing on the Avengers Roster. 
 
I certaintly didn't mean to downplay Roger's outfit, I was just pointing out Thor's has better feats.
#38 Posted by odinforce (1505 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty: yeah sorry, i didnt wanna read everything before i posted, too lazy. 
 
yeah and i knew about the cap lifting thor's hammer aready
#39 Posted by weaponxxx (427 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve definitely wins this fight but Thor does have serious Asgardian fight training behind him. He isn't exactly a slouch when it comes to hand to hand.

#40 Posted by PowerHerc (85115 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America defeats a non-powered Thor
#41 Edited by Vance Astro (91291 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty said:

" @Vance Astro:  based on the Marvel Handbook Champion has been fighting across the galaxy for years mastering countless styles that most people that we consider "skilled" have never heard of. Champion was taking over entire planets before he even got the power gem just using his billions of years of fighting experience. Likewise before Thor could even lift Mjolnir he was learning from asgards finest on how to fight and defend his self. Steve learned from the US government how to fight. The US government isn't known for H2H combat.  And was frozen therefore not learning any new styles. Champion has conquered entire planets by his fist alone. Most were probably weaker than Champion was. But Steve couldn't defeat a city of regular humans who were attacking him. So Champion and Thor SHOULD   be better fighters. But i go by on panel feats. Thats why i say CA is the better fighter. "

1.The Champion should be a better fighter NOT Thor.Mastering styles across galaxies is alot different than being a master of jack sh#t and having no notable skilled opponents.
2.The Champion taking over planets has nothing to do with fighting skill. 
3.You don't need to tell me Thor's history I've read literally hundreds of his books.His best depictions of a training are from his teenage years.He's done little to nothing since.
4.Asgards finest? The best fighter in Asgard isn't even as good as characters Rogers trained. 
5.The U.S Government isn't known for h2h combat? In Marvel they are? Since were bringing up the Marvel Handbook several character rated higher than Thor have had only military training. 
6.Steve couldn't defeat a city of regular humans? Wanna bet? 
7.Experience doesn't mean anything in comics unless you've had the right training and experience(s) to back it.Fighting Frost Giants, Loki, Trolls and other monsters doesn't get you the experience you need to be more skilled than a martial artist such as Captain America.
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#42 Posted by coSmic_cUbeR (293 posts) - - Show Bio
@EddieTheHead666 said:
"
T    The God of Thunder      vs The Super Soldier Thor has no powers for this fight, both are allowed their armour  and signiature weapons for this fiight (Milonjir has no energy coming out of it.)  And the fight is taking place in open plain in the American Prairies. So, who do think would win? "
captain will bow to thor
#43 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @pooty said:
" @Vance Astro:  based on the Marvel Handbook Champion has been fighting across the galaxy for years mastering countless styles that most people that we consider "skilled" have never heard of. Champion was taking over entire planets before he even got the power gem just using his billions of years of fighting experience. Likewise before Thor could even lift Mjolnir he was learning from asgards finest on how to fight and defend his self. Steve learned from the US government how to fight. The US government isn't known for H2H combat.  And was frozen therefore not learning any new styles. Champion has conquered entire planets by his fist alone. Most were probably weaker than Champion was. But Steve couldn't defeat a city of regular humans who were attacking him. So Champion and Thor SHOULD   be better fighters. But i go by on panel feats. Thats why i say CA is the better fighter. "
1.The Champion should be a better fighter NOT Thor.Mastering styles across galaxies is alot different than being a master of jack sh#t and having no notable skilled opponents.2.The Champion taking over planets has nothing to do with fighting skill. 3.You don't need to tell me Thor's history I've read literally hundreds of his books.His best depictions of a training are from his teenage years.He's done little to nothing since.4.Asgards finest? The best fighter in Asgard isn't even as good as characters Rogers trained. 5.The U.S Government isn't known for h2h combat? In Marvel they are? Since were bringing up the Marvel Handbook several character rated higher than Thor have had only military training. 6.Steve couldn't defeat a city of regular humans? Wanna bet? "
Hahaha I don't understand why people are underestimating Steve's fighting ability just because he's human. He led the Avengers for a reason.
#44 Posted by Hellos (8914 posts) - - Show Bio
@texasdeathmatch said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @pooty said:
" @Vance Astro:  based on the Marvel Handbook Champion has been fighting across the galaxy for years mastering countless styles that most people that we consider "skilled" have never heard of. Champion was taking over entire planets before he even got the power gem just using his billions of years of fighting experience. Likewise before Thor could even lift Mjolnir he was learning from asgards finest on how to fight and defend his self. Steve learned from the US government how to fight. The US government isn't known for H2H combat.  And was frozen therefore not learning any new styles. Champion has conquered entire planets by his fist alone. Most were probably weaker than Champion was. But Steve couldn't defeat a city of regular humans who were attacking him. So Champion and Thor SHOULD   be better fighters. But i go by on panel feats. Thats why i say CA is the better fighter. "
1.The Champion should be a better fighter NOT Thor.Mastering styles across galaxies is alot different than being a master of jack sh#t and having no notable skilled opponents.2.The Champion taking over planets has nothing to do with fighting skill. 3.You don't need to tell me Thor's history I've read literally hundreds of his books.His best depictions of a training are from his teenage years.He's done little to nothing since.4.Asgards finest? The best fighter in Asgard isn't even as good as characters Rogers trained. 5.The U.S Government isn't known for h2h combat? In Marvel they are? Since were bringing up the Marvel Handbook several character rated higher than Thor have had only military training. 6.Steve couldn't defeat a city of regular humans? Wanna bet? "
Hahaha I don't understand why people are underestimating Steve's fighting ability just because he's human. He led the Avengers for a reason. "

Fighting ability  =/= Leaderships/Tactician
#45 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos: I know it doesn't, I'm just saying how come he always taught other members how to fight, not Thor?
#46 Edited by Hellos (8914 posts) - - Show Bio
@texasdeathmatch said:

" @Hellos: I know it doesn't, I'm just saying how come he always taught other members how to fight, not Thor? "


 
Thor's taught individuals how to fight I believe:  

 


 


And I'm not entirely sure it would be a good idea to spar with Thor. =P  
Edit::
I should probably add here, Steve's still in reasonable range of physical stats, if Thor's going to be teaching anyone he should depowered during the process.
#47 Posted by Vance Astro (91291 posts) - - Show Bio
@texasdeathmatch said:
" @Hellos: I know it doesn't, I'm just saying how come he always taught other members how to fight, not Thor? "
Thor has taught other characters fight.The difference is alot of characters trained by Cap are actually top level fighters with feats to back it.
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#48 Posted by Hellos (8914 posts) - - Show Bio

 
Makes me wonder if Donald Blakes ability to fight counts as Thor's training? 

 


 

#49 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @texasdeathmatch said:
" @Hellos: I know it doesn't, I'm just saying how come he always taught other members how to fight, not Thor? "
Thor has taught other characters fight.The difference is alot of characters trained by Cap are actually top level fighters with feats to back it. "
That's kinda what I'm saying I guess. The fighters he's trained are actually good, where as that scan with Thor looks like some strange adult man/young boy bonding montage.
#50 Posted by Hellos (8914 posts) - - Show Bio
@texasdeathmatch said:
"That's kinda what I'm saying I guess. The fighters he's trained are actually good, where as that scan with Thor looks like some strange adult man/young boy bonding montage. "

It's him training someone. Better then the off panel training featurettes Mary Jane and Spidey were supposed to have gotten from Caps. =P