Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Hal and Silver Surfer vs Thanos and Darkseid

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@Star_Lord

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"Current Surfer matched Thanos' level of power in Annihilation #5. He is faster. He is also defeated Thor much easier than Thanos. TP won't work on this battle. Energy manipulation isn't anymore a Thanos' advantage. IMO Surfer will win after long battle thanks to speed.   

Can you post scans. I read Annihilation(I read all the cosmic stuff), but it has been a while. And I honestly don't remember the fight. I don't see how Silver Surfer is anywhere near Thanos when Thanos has taken on Odin, Galactus, Beyonder. Hell, he even took Surfer and Thor on at the same time before. And he has beaten Surfer multiple times.  "

Surfer didn't fought with Thanos, he used his machine to free Galactus and only Thanos was able to do this (this machine depends on power level, it was the easiest way to block any other one to use it. Thanos didn't know that Surfer got boost).
 
And Thnaos  fought with that guys thanks to durability. He can win with speedsters, because he has great energy/matter manipulation and TP.
TP won't defeat Surfer (Power Cosmic comes from Astral Plane) and thanks to fact that Surfer's pwoer level matched Thanos, others Titan's advantage won't be enough.
On the other hand, Thanos' best physical-durability feat is survivng in Black Hole, but he was hurt by this. Pre-A Surfer could create Black Hole easily. So Current one will just create more than one and make Thanos weak. Then he will finish him.
 
Team 1 ftw. "

1.Thanos beats those guys thanks to a lot of things. He is smarter, stronger, more durable, has better energy manipulation, and can react accordingly to all of them. 
2.I know Thanos can't beat SS with Telepathy, but whats stopping him from doing it to everyone else. 
3.Not only do morals stop SS from creating multiple Black Holes, but Thanos could survive that easy. As I said, he has fought Odin, Galactus, and Beyonder. All well above Surfer in power. Surfer can not, and will never beat Thanos without some form of assistance. 
 
Two of these guys Thanos has already taken on and beat at the same time(Thor and SS) and not only did Thanos beat them, but he beat Classic Thor and has beaten Thor when he had a power-up. I don't remember if it was Warrior Madness or what, but he was powered up. All these guys together, might, maybe, possibly be at Thanos power, but not Thanos and Darkseid together.
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1. Exactly. 2. Thanos has tricked Surfer into thinking he was dead with Telepathy IIRC. So that's actually wrong 3. The black whole Thanos survived encompassed two lightyears worth of space. It was massive and powerful. Surfer has never created such a black hole. And Thanos simply teleported out of it and was relatively fine. He teleported onto a Skrull ship, killed then and made his way to his own ship  4. Yup. Surfer has blasted Thanos with the intent to kill many times and Thanos simply stood there like it was nothing. Thor was insane and powered with the Power Gem. Thanos was still able to knock him around. "

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Surfer didn't fought with Thanos, he used his machine to free Galactus and only Thanos was able to do this (this machine depends on power level, it was the easiest way to block any other one to use it. Thanos didn't know that Surfer got boost).
 
And Thnaos  fought with that guys thanks to durability. He can win with speedsters, because he has great energy/matter manipulation and TP.
TP won't defeat Surfer (Power Cosmic comes from Astral Plane) and thanks to fact that Surfer's pwoer level matched Thanos, others Titan's advantage won't be enough.
On the other hand, Thanos' best physical-durability feat is survivng in Black Hole, but he was hurt by this. Pre-A Surfer could create Black Hole easily. So Current one will just create more than one and make Thanos weak. Then he will finish him.
 
Team 1 ftw. "

1.Thanos beats those guys thanks to a lot of things. He is smarter, stronger, more durable, has better energy manipulation, and can react accordingly to all of them. 
2.I know Thanos can't beat SS with Telepathy, but whats stopping him from doing it to everyone else. 
3.Not only do morals stop SS from creating multiple Black Holes, but Thanos could survive that easy. As I said, he has fought Odin, Galactus, and Beyonder. All well above Surfer in power. Surfer can not, and will never beat Thanos without some form of assistance. 
 
Two of these guys Thanos has already taken on and beat at the same time(Thor and SS) and not only did Thanos beat them, but he beat Classic Thor and has beaten Thor when he had a power-up. I don't remember if it was Warrior Madness or what, but he was powered up. All these guys together, might, maybe, possibly be at Thanos power, but not Thanos and Darkseid together.
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1.He didn't beat Galactus, nor Odin.
2.Surfer.
3.These fights show his durability to energy projection. Black Hole affected Thanos in the past. He don't have as good physical-durability as energy-durability.
4.Current Surfer would curbstomp classic Surfer in few shots.
   

" @Star_Lord: 
Dude...people who discredit Thanos do it on purpose. It's no use trying to convince them. At least we know we're right. "

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Round 1 : I believe team 1.  
Round 2 : I'm going with team 2.

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Team 1 barely takes Round 1

current surfer took on 2 galactus level beings. he's more powerful than he was before when he fought thanos.  darkseid can be beat by ppl like superman i dont think thor with warriors madness and belt of strength would have a problem with that (warriors madness= 10x strength boost + belt of strength = x2 strength boost with x2 endurance; this totals too x20 strength ans x2 endurance). so if thor could lift the midgard serpent normally, imagine that strength x20. 
and i think mjolnir could block the omega beams because thor has blocked and deflected blasts from a celestial (beings more powerful than odin). and when thor deflects it, it becomes twice as powerful. (side note: he's also taken two blasts head on from a celestial and still go on to fight)
hal and bill are no joke either. but thanos has incredible durability (able to take multiple blasts from odin, and explosions from a galactus level being) which becomes a great factor here. he also has TP. Dont know if BRB has TP resistance. 

Round 1: Could go either way but im leaning towards team 1. I believe Thor could handle DS with WM and BOS. Then SS, Hal, and Bill could take on thanos and if thor beats DS he could help them out. And since thor has all of his powers, he could time travel or BFR them. SS could also BFR.
(sorry dont mean to sound like a fanboy, i just know most about thor)

Round 2: Thanos and Darkseid 9/10. With knowledge of the other team and 3 days prep, they could be unstoppable.

Great fight. 

" Team one no matter what. Thor alone can beat Thanos, with preparation or not, and I'm pretty sure The Surfer and GL would be more than a match for Darkseid. So if you add Bill to the mix ...   "

team 1

team 2

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                    @supermandefender: For that first video:1) That was not Thanos. That was an inferior clone that Thanos created.2) Even that inferior clone beat Thor so badly he had to run to his daddy Odin to get this belt of strength, gauntlets of strength and cosmic shield just to beat an inferior clone.3) Thor had the power gem when Thanos had to get the stasis gun. So Thor had the greatest power up in existence.4) Out of ALL the examples on those videos none of them had standard Thor beating Standard Thanos. A Thor fanboy/troll( i know it wasn't you) made those movies hoping people wouldn't know the full story behind the battles.5) Thor got beat by an inferior clone. The real Thanos would destroy him. When "Walker" the death god from another dimension came to ours, Thor attacked Thanos and Thanos casually stopped Mjolnir just by raising his hand.6) Thor has trouble fighting the Silver Surfer. It's always a battle. Silver Surfer has even beaten Thor. Thanos toys with SS and easily beats SS everytime. Thor would do no better.7) Thor just got MANHANDLED by Odin(Fear #1) in a few moves. Odin just used his fist. He didn't augment his strength with his godly power. Odin fought Thanos for pages and never kept him down. Odin had to use his godly powers and call upon his spear which increases his power. Yeah, Odin would have beat Thanos. But Thanos lasted ALOT longer than Thor did. And Odin was going at Thanos ALOT harder than he was at Thor.

                   

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" @Susanoo: If going all out includes entering Warriors Madness then you are correct. If Thor is going all out but DOES NOT Warriors Madness he gets his butt beat. Do you know of a time when Thor actually entered Warriors Madness. I don't. "

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@Susanoo :

@supermandefender :Thor can defeat with Thanos by his speed and by BFRing him to other dimension. Those movies were so out of context that it is not even funny.And Thor who fought with Adam and Surfer wasn't WM Thor. Odin confirmed it when he comes into Thor's mind, after battle with Thanos.

                   

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                    @czarny_samael: I hear people talking about Thor BFRing to another dimension. How does that work? Doesn't the opponent have to walk into the portal? Doesn't it take time to open the BFR portal? Or can he just throw his hammer around someone?  I have never seen him use it so give me an example so i know how it works? Also BFR doesn't constitute a victory. It doesn't prove who is stronger or more powerful etc.  Also speed has never been an issue for Thanos.

                   

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" @czarny_samael: I hear people talking about Thor BFRing to another dimension. How does that work? Doesn't the opponent have to walk into the portal? Doesn't it take time to open the BFR portal? Or can he just throw his hammer around someone?  I have never seen him use it so give me an example so i know how it works? Also BFR doesn't constitute a victory. It doesn't prove who is stronger or more powerful etc.  Also speed has never been an issue for Thanos. "

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                    @pooty :

@Susanoo :

@supermandefender :Thor can defeat with Thanos by his speed and by BFRing him to other dimension. Those movies were so out of context that it is not even funny.And Thor who fought with Adam and Surfer wasn't WM Thor. Odin confirmed it when he comes into Thor's mind, after battle with Thanos.

                   

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I wouldn't go as far as saying Thor can beat Thanos. I agree with everything else. "

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                    @Susanoo: Ok thanks for those. I didn't know he could hit you with a beam and teleport you. If BFR is allowed can't Darkseid Omega beams do the same thing?

                   

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                    @Susanoo: Mjolnir can block the Omega Beam from the real Darkseid? Have they fought before?  And can the Omega blast block Thor's beam? This is why i don't like BFR cuz removing someone from the field doesn't tell us who is more powerful.

                   

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                    @Susanoo: My bad i got off topic. A couple pages ago i said Team 1 wins but not because of BFR but because Thor has Warriors Madness and Belt of Strength. Team 1 does not need BFR to win. SS BRB and Hal can handle Thanos. While Thor beats Darkseid. I think someone said "normal Thor can beat Thanos". I don't agree with that but it doesn't matter for this thread. Team 1 wins. I almost want to say Thor Solos. Can Thor solo this with all the powerups?

                   

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Team 1.

Thanos during the Thanos Imperative is the most powerful Thanos to date sans Cosmic Cube, Infinite Gauntlet, Heart of the Universe, etc. He was vaporized down to his bone structure and then regenerated fully moments later. Thanos is the Avatar of Death and he handled Lord Mar-Vell with ease despite him being the champion of four super ancient multi-dimensional demon gods. Both Thanos and Darkseid typically take teams of heroes on by themselves, I can't help but feel like it would take more than BRB, Thor, Hal Jordan, and Silver Surfer to bring them down.

Round 1: Probably Team 2

Round 2: Definitely Team 2

I think the heroes' only chance would be to turn them against each other and watch the fireworks from a far. But I'm not saying it's impossible for them to win, I just doubt the would win. I'd give them a 1/5 chance in winning given scenario 1, and probably a 1/20 chance of winning in scenario 2. But knowing how Thanos' cosmic flaw of unconsciously providing the seeds to his own defeat the heroes always have a chance to beat him.

Team 2

Team 2

Duo

This is what happens when the pimp slapper hand collides with the hammer bros.

@nathaniel_adam: Current Norrin hasn't fought Thanos yet, so we can't be sure, that he would loose like always, despite him beating a Thanos clone before; but jobbing against the real one...

Team 2 should win this.

1 team probably

2 duo

Team Thanos

classic thor has skyfatherish type feats and regular thor was trading blows with thanos without taking any real damage and he can stop time, it'd take a lot to finish Thanos but I think they could do it.

Round 2 duo high difficulty

Warriors madness = 10 bloodlusted Thors, Beta Ray Bill, Hal and Silver Surfer vs Thanos and Darkseid

Team 1 should win