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#1 Edited by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Arcangel - nothing

Deadpool - 2 katana, desert eagle, uzi, three grenades, rocket launcher, Image Inducer, Teleporter

Daken - Muramasa Blade, sniper rifle, Desert Eagle

Gorgon - Godkiller and Grasscutter

X-Man - Desert Eagle, Katana, MP5K, ACR

Lillith Hesperax - Agoniser, Splinetr Pistol, Shadow Field, Balance Knives, Barbed Hair, Plasma Grenades.

Drahzar - Ancient Incubus Warsuit, Demiklaives

Kayvvan Shrike - Power Armour, Dual Lightning Claws, Jump Pack, Iron Halo, Frag Grenades.

M'Shen - Assassin Suit, C'Tan Phase Blade, Nearul Shredder, Posion Blades, Melta Grenades, Polymorphing Drug.

Iota - Assassin Suit, Etherium, Animus Speculum, Psyk-Out Grenades.

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BATTLEGROUND-

Scenario:

Welcome to this Episode of THEME BATTLE. Where Master Hand collects the best of every Omniverse and throws them in the mix. Today’s match is vaguely related X-men-ish metahumans vs unrealistically brawny space berserkers. The amusement for this evening will take place in the beautiful land of Gondor, specifically the city of Minas Tirith. Due to Master Hand’s awesome power, both teams were transported to the White City, where, surprisingly enough, things are not as simple as you’d hoped.

Both of you will choose three team members to do battle outside the city walls. Cadence will start on the right end of the outer wall, Mr. Ingenuity on the left end. However, things are never as straightforward as they seem. In order to kill your opponents, you’ll have to go through this:

The Orcish Army. It will mainly consist of orc grunts, who number 10,000 strong. There will also be 1,000 elite Uruk-Hai, 200 Cave trolls, and 25 Oliphants. They will be arrayed directly in front of the walls, with the entire force between you and your opponent.

After 10 minutes, the armies of Rohan will join the battle. These will consist of 5,000 cavalrymen armed with swords and spears. They will charge directly for the front gate, splitting the distance between your teams.

Meanwhile, two of your team members will start in the city itself. Cadence will start at the blue circle, and Mr. I will start inside the red building. In tests, Captain America could sprint from the blue circle to the center of the green space in exactly the same time it took him to navigate from inside the building to the center of the green space.

Both of your characters will have to make your way to the front gate before your opponent, where they will have to fight their way through the Fellowship of the Ring:

All characters will be at the peak of the abilities we’ve seen them display, Gandalf will not be present, and Frodo will be wearing the ring with no ill effects, rendering him invisible. Once you have defeated Middle Earth’s last hope of survival, one of your characters gets the ring of invisibility, and one gets Anduril, an unbreakable sword that cuts through anything. They can then join the fight outside. The team that arrives at the gate second, assuming any either of the characters arrive, will be attacked by Shelob, the Balrog, and 10 elves equal to Legolas armed with swords and bows.

Assuming they can prevail, they won’t be able to leave the city until two minutes after the team that arrived first. To make the initial race more interesting, on the way down through the city you will be attacked by all nine Black Riders on their flying steeds.

To make things a little more manageable, you have access to one of the following advantages:

1: Riders of the Mark! - The Army of Rohan will arrive after only five minutes, and its first priority will be to defend your team and kill your opponents.

2: Super Nazgul - One member of your team will be given a flying steed like those of the Ringwraiths. However, this one has been enhanced by Sauron so it flies at Mach 1, is impervious to damage, and has adamantium teeth and claws. However, the rider can still be killed or knocked off.

3: Elrond’s Blessing - If you reach the Fellowship first, they will join you rather than fighting against you. You still receive the rewards you would have gotten for killing them, and they keep their copies.

4: Bat-Orc-Repellent Spray - The Orcs and Uruk-Hai will ignore your team. However, the Trolls, Oliphants, and Riders will still attack you, so be careful!

Rules: Morals On, No BFR, Power Neutral Universe, Everyone Knows the Basic (Unless from same Universe then Detailed) of Everyone.

When done Debating we will Vote.

#2 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Before I read through the scenario I would like to add image inducer & teleporter for Deadpool, Daken dessert eagle.

#3 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: Also I too would like to add M'Shens Polymorphin Drug for this match as well.

@Esquire: Very nice scenario. Also I too would like to add M'Shens Polymorphin Drug for this match as well.

Read the scenario and as of now choose.... Riders of the Mark!

Also...

Love it! As a Games Workshop Hobbyist totaly love the pick.

#4 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: Alright my Strategy.

I will have M'Shen and Strike at the Top.

I will have Lillith, Dhrazar, and Iota at the bottom.

Both Lillith and Drazhar will stay in Iota's Blank bubble. That way No funny Psy or Magic will affect me. Lillith as the greatest Succubus of the Dark Eldar and the Fallen Phoenix Lord Drazhar will kill Orks by the hundreds in minuets. There Speed and skill at mutli combat is way too much. Also Power Weapons will cut thru anything. Add to that Lillith's Shadow Field and Drazhars Armour for added protection. Iota speed and range attack via Animus Speculam will add to the mayhem. I will be able to outrun and make it to the gate easy.

M'Shen will use her Polymorphin Drug.

This will let her Take any shape she desires. She would assume the Lonely Soilder and Sprint down, kill a guard, take his uniform, and continue running. Calidus Assassins are also Faster than Space Marines and I dare say faster than Captain america in running. This Disguise would allow her to run past the Fellowship Completly.

Shrike on the other hand is one of the best Stealth Marines of all time.

He is a Brother Captain of the Raven Guard and considered their best. All Raven Guard excell at stealth. Examples are here.

In this we have Brother Captain Shaan and a few Raven Guard taking out Chaos Marines with built in sensores and did it after the Ultramarine Scouts took firing position. The Scouts who are all equip with various sensores couldnt figure what happen till Shaan told them to back off.

As seen Raven Guard are capable of sneaking undected by the 5 main senses as well Pychic and Magic Senses. There the best Stealthers around. Shrike is the best among the Raven Guard at stealth and would easily go undected once he Jump Packs down to the gate and wait for M'Shen.

Also Shrike, M'Shen, and iota all have Coms naturaly with eachother. I be able to cordinate with M'Shen running thru the city, Shrike waiting in the shadows, and iota with group making there way to the gate.

I should reach the Gate first easy and by pass the Fellowship. Also I would be out of sight and mind against Mr. I team as he battles the fellowship and Balrog with Logalos Elves.

Shrike with Jump Pack will then Carry M'Shen over the wall to join my team.

I wish to go on further however I cant till Mr. I post who 3 be where and who 2 be on the Tower.....

#5 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Read though and going with (Riders of the Mark!). Never watched lord of the rings though.

@CadenceV2: Read through yours as well.

My three picks are Deadpool, Gorgon, X-Man.

Now as for scenario.

X-Man Manipulates the battle field with telekinesis & telepathy.

Using his TK for invisibly & combine it with phasing.

Then use his TP to turn friends to enemies & create psi armor for every one. Armor that will increase some stats to tournament cap. Which includes strength,& durability.

Along with my teams skill, will clear the way to opponents.

Deadpool and Gorgon skill feats up later.

#6 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Since you both chose Rider of the Mark, I'm going to say that the Riders will not attack either of your teams and will focus instead on keeping the Orcs away from your battle.

@Mr. Inegenuity: If you have any questions about the Lord of the Rings parts, just ask. I'll be happy to fill you in. Essentially the Orcs are just grunts, none of whom will pose a problem. The difficulty arises because there are thousands of them. As for the Black Riders, they are immortal and ride what amount to dragons that can't breathe fire.

#7 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Thank you, that's very kind. I would like info on Shelob, & the Balrog.

#8 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity

Shelob is a giant spider, about 20 feet tall. She has the durability to tank sword strokes from normal strength characters, and for the purpose of this thread we'll say Kevlar durability. Her stinger poisons people, rendering them comatose for around an hour. She can make webs, but doesn't really use them in combat. She is cunning and willing to use sneak attacks. She moves at Captain America speeds.

The Balrog is a monster about 30 feet tall with just above Luke Cage durability and strength, who wields a flaming whip and breathes fire. He's not particularly intelligent, though, and isn't particularly skilled, either, mostly relying on his stats.

Legolas has Captain America physicals and Hawkeye/Green Arrow level accuracy with a bow.

#9 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Thanks, now moving on.

#10 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Deadpool is an extraordinary Merc when serious(however that works).

Fights Bullseye and wins

Almost kills Captain America.

The teleporter he's using. Showing he can use it in battle

Now with his stats increased from psi armor, healing factor, teleporter and if needed the image inducer. He won't go down easy.

Post Gorgon skills feats later.

#11 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: Whoa X-Man goes Intangible? Awsome.

Anyway I will call out Armour for everyone as he seems to put alot of power into making one for Hulk. I know X-Man has limits as any mutant, and going Invisible, focussing on Intagibility, and Armour for everyone while using TP to controle friends to foes is all a bit much and never supoorted in the Comics.

Show me proof if X-Man can be Invisible and go Intagible while making Psy Armour all at the same time and I will accept it. :)

Now that I shot that down even if X-Man went Invis or Intangible Iota will lock onto that in a heartbeat. She feeds of Psyker energy. She will have Drazhar and Lillith run with her up to him and Completly shut of his powers. Hes dead.

Then the Psy Armour if you can bring it up while being Invisble and Intangible will disappear. Then Lillith and Drazhar will kick but with a Fully Charge Iota.

Iota is key here and your biggest weakness. X-Man powers (and any psy or Magic) is auto shut down in her 40 foot Bubble with her in the middle.

Deadpool vs Lillith. Be epic. lillith advantages being her Shadow Field (a Blacknes Shroud and Force Field) that protects against any Glacing blows and helps against precise ones. Also She carries a Agonsiser. A power weapon that cuts on the Molecular level via energy field and causes Pain Receptors in your body to flare al over. Finnaly any pain and blood letting involve heal and invigorate Lillith.

Lillith is the greatest and fastest Succubus in the Dark Eldar race. She is near Spidey Speed. Also she carries Barbs in her Hair and Blades on her body making every body movement a attack. Finaly she has a Splinter Pistol that shoot Hyper toxins that harm and paralyse temporarly a Space Marine Immunity and Healing Factor. It will affect Deadpool on a level.

So all in all shes faster, has more combat experiance against the best in 40K universe, a shadowy force field, healing and youth thru pain, Pain inducing Power Weapon, and never been scared much less harmed in a fight.

Next is Gorgon vs Drazhar. Epic again and closer match. Both Characters are max Speed in this tourney. Drazhar has over 10,000 years Combat Experiance and train the Phoenix Lord Karandras the Stricking Scoirpion. He later fell from grace and founded the Incubi whos style and art is straight murder. He is a Blur even to the incredible Speeds of DE. He is also a 5 tonner easy. His Armour is as tough as Power Armour. He is also like every Phoenix Lord has no physical body and made of the Souls and combine Experiance of every warrior that has don the Armour. He wields 2 Power Weapons which he specialise in.

Incubi are his children.
Drazhar kills mutiple ork Nobs (who are tougher and stronger than Space Marines 0_0) so fast they cant even register it.
Key points here is Top Left paragraph where he easily and soundly defeats his Organisations best fighter.

Like Lillith he also gains Power from Pain. He also fought for 17 days against Karandras with neither side winning.

Thats this guy that I used in my battle vs Esquire recently.

Suffice to say he is a beast and skilled one at that. Im not super keen on Gorgon other than beating Wolvie and Electra. However unless he can cut thru Luke Cage skin effortlessly I dont think hes doing much harm here. Also his weapon can be cut to tiny bits as well. Even if Gorgon survived Drazhar unarmoured Drazar will have Iota using the Animus Speculum frying Gorgons brain from range.

Now I have 5 on 2 ready to pounce.

#12 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

Anyway I will call out Armour for everyone as he seems to put alot of power into making one for Hulk. I know X-Man has limits as any mutant, and going Invisible, focussing on Intagibility, and Armour for everyone while using TP to controle friends to foes is all a bit much and never supoorted in the Comics.

Straightening some things out. X-Man is omega level so limits don't apply in the same way. I would post his high end feats but the rules limit those scans. With your permission I will to explain in more detail.

X-Man's Invisibility and Intangibility are by products of his omega level telekinesis, by using it in multiple ways he could achieve said feat. It's not the same as War Machine's armor limits not able to use both. Comics have never supported it but never disproves it. But he has shown simultaneous use.

X-Man's illusions and psi armor are by products of his omega level telepathy having all the same comic flaws as his telekinesis. But having been taught control more by cable and professor x.

Proof that he can make every one armor.

And more proof that he can use telepathy and telekinesis simultaneous. This is 616 Sinister.

Now that I shot that down even if X-Man went Invis or Intangible Iota will lock onto that in a heartbeat. She feeds of Psyker energy. She will have Drazhar and Lillith run with her up to him and Completly shut of his powers. Hes dead.

I would like to point out he would simply crush your whole team with little effort.

I'll address the other fights when we have an understanding of how X-Man is taken out.

#13 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: Alright I can easily belive the TK use. Most TK users like Jean, Cable, ect have done the same.

The uses of Armour and Illusians is also accepted as the proof is there.

I also but Sinsisters remark of TK with TP with Physical attacks.

All that is proven and accepted. Any scans or reference of TK, TP, Invis, Intange, and Armour at once will be accepted. Im saying we never seen him go all out on anyone like that at once.

Also my counter for X-Man is this chick.

Her name is Iota. she is a Culexus Assassin (one of the 4 main Assassin Temples) and all Culexus Assassins are Blanks.

Embarassing for me I have no Scans of my Prospero Burns and Thousand sons Novels that feature Blanks known as Sisters of Silence. Nor purchase my own book Nemesis that Iota is featured in.

I do have all the basic Background info and M'Shen Scans (M'Shen and all Assassins have the same level of Training and feats) so I will post those for this.

As seen All Assassins like Iota and M'Shen share the same basic abilities here.key things here to note is Dodge and Psycology. As shown all Assassins can Dodge most Attacks (Bullet Speed in movement alone) Physical and even Psychic Attacks.

Also Iota greatest weapon is being a Blank.

As seen here from Witch Hunters 3rd Edition. All Culexus Assassins are Blanks. Souless. Ontop of that they are uneffected by any and all Psychic powers and Sorcerory. They also project Null Zones around them that are akin to a Black Hole of Negative Psy Energy. It litteraly assorbs the Psy and Sorcery of other powers and enhance the Negative Psy of the Blank.

In other words X-Mans use of powers empower Iota and wont touch her or work inside her 40 foot radius zone.

This is one of the strongest Sorcerors and Psykers in 40K. His name is Ahriman. He is flying around Psychicly to find a particular foe. He notices the Dead Zones where the Sisters of Silence (Blanks) are projecting their Null Zones. He cant even hope to go near those areas.

As seen here the main weapon can fry brain and suck souls via Negative Psy Energy. Notice its MORE deadly to Psykers.
Magic Weapons and Psy Weapons cant even Physicaly harm him if there connected to these 2 sources.
This keeps Iota Charging on raw Psychic energy or Magic.
Iota also carries Grenades that project Temporary Null Zones like any 5 meter Frag while doubling as a Frag Grenade.

So there it is. All my guys stay in the Null Field for protection. X-Man is completly useless vs Iota as any TP, TK, Inage, Armour, or Invis will be null and voided in the 40 foot Radius of Iota and only feed her power for the Animus Speculum to fry X-Mans Brain or Suck his Soul if he empowers her enough with his Psy Shenanagins.

#14 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

So there it is. All my guys stay in the Null Field for protection. X-Man is completly useless vs Iota as any TP, TK, Inage, Armour, or Invis will be null and voided in the 40 foot Radius of Iota and only feed her power for the Animus Speculum to fry X-Mans Brain or Suck his Soul if he empowers her enough with his Psy Shenanagins.

To be clear (if there was any misconceptions) X-Man was never using his telepathy offensively on any of your team.

I don't think she's an effective counter as X-Man fights long distance 40 feet is a small distance compared to him.

You have not mentioned flight. So I assume you for got he can stay well above your effective attack rang.

And his answer to her her is simple crack the ground wide/deep enough that there is no escape. (Scans) If you read though the scans you now know he doesn't have limits as you once thought.

Clearly that's more than a 40 foot effective rang while flying. But doesn't need to physically need to throw her, since she cannot fly. Also putting the rest of your team within.

#15 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: Very good sir but dont forget who can fly. Shrike! Also Iota like M'Shen as well both Dark Eldar can outrun any ground attack as they travel Mach one easy.

As seen M'shen and Iota are to fast for Bolters (Bullt speed) and Sprint faster than Space Marines (which is quick). Their Reaction time is extremly high. As soon X-Man is in sight or felt by Iota she will tag him via Brain Frying Beam. Also unless you open a crack in the earth far beneath it your TK gets shut down around 40 feet All around and under Iota. That means you split the earth in some spots but around her will be fine as the TK needed to reach her but be Nulify.

Also to note is the beyond detection even by Magic and Psy Captain Shrike.

As seen here Shaan (A Brother Captain like Shrike but for fourth company) show all Raven Guard are train and utilise skills and gear to stealth around Magical and Psychic Daemons as well the 5 senses of Mortals with ease. Shrike is flying via Jetpack from the top of the Tower and right ontop of X-Man who wont know (or sense) whats happening till he is hit.

I say this cause M'Shen, Iota, and Shrike all have Vox channels. As soon Iota sees a flyer its on. She can deplete any shielding as well via Negative Psy Blast from the Animus Speculume. Also should any earth opening happen Im not too worry for lillith or Drazhar either.

As seen here Lillith is the greatest warrior and supreme leader of the Wyches. The basic Dark Eldar Wych training would allow them keep from falling in a Earth crack. Easy. Lillith for sure can jump from wall to wall and out as well Drazhar the Fallen Phoenix Lords and one of the fastest and best Dark Eldar Warrior period.

So your tatic would be either a) nulify by Iota field or b) be easily avoided from falling in or c) have X-man pounced and killed by Shrike.

#16 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

Very good sir but dont forget who can fly. Shrike!
As seen here Shaan (A Brother Captain like Shrike but for fourth company) show all Raven Guard are train and utilise skills and gear to stealth around Magical and Psychic Daemons as well the 5 senses of Mortals with ease. Shrike is flying via Jetpack from the top of the Tower and right ontop of X-Man who wont know (or sense) whats happening till he is hit.
c) have X-man pounced and killed by Shrike.

Shrike is at the top is in a separate battle we have yet to debate.

@Esquire: Your 2 cents on above.

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As seen M'shen and Iota are to fast for Bolters (Bullt speed) and Sprint faster than Space Marines (which is quick). Their Reaction time is extremly high. As soon X-Man is in sight or felt by Iota she will tag him via Brain Frying Beam. Also unless you open a crack in the earth far beneath it your TK gets shut down around 40 feet All around and under Iota. That means you split the earth in some spots but around her will be fine as the TK needed to reach her but be Nulify.

Range of this weapon, because I mentioned flight. I was sure that the trail of "NOOoo" sealed the deal on depth.

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I say this cause M'Shen, Iota, and Shrike all have Vox channels. As soon Iota sees a flyer its on. She can deplete any shielding as well via Negative Psy Blast from the Animus Speculume. Also should any earth opening happen Im not too worry for lillith or Drazhar either.

Again X-Man is out of range & with speed cap at 761.2 MPH he will stay out of range. Also there is no height cap for flight. Plus X-Man's effective attack range is not limited.

Except exiting Iota protection means their vulnerable to X-Man's powers.

Both Lillith and Drazhar will stay in Iota's Blank bubble. That way No funny Psy or Magic will affect me.

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As seen here Lillith is the greatest warrior and supreme leader of the Wyches. The basic Dark Eldar Wych training would allow them keep from falling in a Earth crack. Easy. Lillith for sure can jump from wall to wall and out as well Drazhar the Fallen Phoenix Lords and one of the fastest and best Dark Eldar Warrior period.

Not easy to the slightest. When he's targeting them, continuously opening the ground until there gone. Making sure there is no solid ground for a counter attack. Which we know, he has no limits on how long he can do this.

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So your tatic would be either a) nulify by Iota field or b) be easily avoided from falling in

Already countered (A) & (B) (see above)

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#17 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@CadenceV2:

Very good sir but dont forget who can fly. Shrike!
As seen here Shaan (A Brother Captain like Shrike but for fourth company) show all Raven Guard are train and utilise skills and gear to stealth around Magical and Psychic Daemons as well the 5 senses of Mortals with ease. Shrike is flying via Jetpack from the top of the Tower and right ontop of X-Man who wont know (or sense) whats happening till he is hit.
c) have X-man pounced and killed by Shrike.

Shrike is at the top is in a separate battle we have yet to debate.

@Esquire: Your 2 cents on above.

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As seen M'shen and Iota are to fast for Bolters (Bullt speed) and Sprint faster than Space Marines (which is quick). Their Reaction time is extremly high. As soon X-Man is in sight or felt by Iota she will tag him via Brain Frying Beam. Also unless you open a crack in the earth far beneath it your TK gets shut down around 40 feet All around and under Iota. That means you split the earth in some spots but around her will be fine as the TK needed to reach her but be Nulify.

Range of this weapon, because I mentioned flight. I was sure that the trail of "NOOoo" sealed the deal on depth.

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I say this cause M'Shen, Iota, and Shrike all have Vox channels. As soon Iota sees a flyer its on. She can deplete any shielding as well via Negative Psy Blast from the Animus Speculume. Also should any earth opening happen Im not too worry for lillith or Drazhar either.

Again X-Man is out of range & with speed cap at 761.2 MPH he will stay out of range. Also there is no height cap for flight. Plus X-Man's effective attack range is not limited.

Except exiting Iota protection means their vulnerable to X-Man's powers.

Both Lillith and Drazhar will stay in Iota's Blank bubble. That way No funny Psy or Magic will affect me.

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As seen here Lillith is the greatest warrior and supreme leader of the Wyches. The basic Dark Eldar Wych training would allow them keep from falling in a Earth crack. Easy. Lillith for sure can jump from wall to wall and out as well Drazhar the Fallen Phoenix Lords and one of the fastest and best Dark Eldar Warrior period.

Not easy to the slightest. When he's targeting them, continuously opening the ground until there gone. Making sure there is no solid ground for a counter attack. Which we know, he has no limits on how long he can do this.

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So your tatic would be either a) nulify by Iota field or b) be easily avoided from falling in

Already countered (A) & (B) (see above)

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Another 2 flaws I see here is this.

1) X-Man parting the earth will likely wreck the city and kill your guys. Also I like some feats of Mile long and deep Earth Shattering. I know Cable fully Powered manage a Island in the sky with TK .....

2) X-Man flying around is a PERFECT Target for the Witch King and the 8 Wringwraiths. They too be attacking you.

Oh yeah Ill see ya with that commotion going on lol.

Also how far range are you flying where Iota wont see you? That be self BFR if your out of sight from flying so high?

Again Shrike if worst comes to worst can easily fly down while your going up and tag ya. Shrikes Skills and Gear to evade Psykers and Sorcerors be like Ultimate wolverine vs Iron Man.

BAMSKY!

#18 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: Oh one more thing why I dont think TK Earthquaking will work. That seems BEYOND Yoda TK which is what were limited too.....

#19 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

1) X-Man parting the earth will likely wreck the city and kill your guys. Also I like some feats of Mile long and deep Earth Shattering. I know Cable fully Powered manage a Island in the sky with TK .....

First off deadpool has a teleporter. Second hes targeting your team. Lastly, was that permission to post the uber high feats?

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2) X-Man fluing around is a PERFECT Target for the Witch King and the 8 Wringwraiths. They too be attacking you.

Could you show me were they are mentioned in the op were they are attacking ground forces. Because this is all I see.

The Orcish Army. It will mainly consist of orc grunts, who number 10,000 strong. There will also be 1,000 elite Uruk-Hai, 200 Cave trolls, and 25 Oliphants. They will be arrayed directly in front of the walls, with the entire force between you and your opponent.
After 10 minutes, the armies of Rohan will join the battle. These will consist of 5,000 cavalrymen armed with swords and spears. They will charge directly for the front gate, splitting the distance between your teams.

Which means this is a separate challenge.

Assuming they can prevail, they won’t be able to leave the city until two minutes after the team that arrived first. To make the initial race more interesting, on the way down through the city you will be attacked by all nine Black Riders on their flying steeds.

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Also how far range are you flying where Iota wont see you? That be self BFR if your out of sight from flying so high?

The fact that X-Man is invisible means she can't see him to begin with. He's also moving to your attack limit.

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Again Shrike if worst comes to worst can easily fly down while your going up and tag ya. Shrikes Skills and Gear to evade Psykers and Sorcerors be like Ultimate wolverine vs Iron Man.

Waiting for @Esquire: on that.

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Oh one more thing why I dont think TK Earthquaking will work. That seems BEYOND Yoda TK which is what were limited too.....

Could you provide all of Yoda's feats because that's vague. And vague is no way to debate.

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#20 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@CadenceV2:

1) X-Man parting the earth will likely wreck the city and kill your guys. Also I like some feats of Mile long and deep Earth Shattering. I know Cable fully Powered manage a Island in the sky with TK .....

First off deadpool has a teleporter. Second hes targeting your team. Lastly, was that permission to post high the uber feats?

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2) X-Man fluing around is a PERFECT Target for the Witch King and the 8 Wringwraiths. They too be attacking you.

Could you show me were they are mentioned in the op were they are attacking ground forces. Because this is all I see.

The Orcish Army. It will mainly consist of orc grunts, who number 10,000 strong. There will also be 1,000 elite Uruk-Hai, 200 Cave trolls, and 25 Oliphants. They will be arrayed directly in front of the walls, with the entire force between you and your opponent.
After 10 minutes, the armies of Rohan will join the battle. These will consist of 5,000 cavalrymen armed with swords and spears. They will charge directly for the front gate, splitting the distance between your teams.

Which means this is a separate challenge.

Assuming they can prevail, they won’t be able to leave the city until two minutes after the team that arrived first. To make the initial race more interesting, on the way down through the city you will be attacked by all nine Black Riders on their flying steeds.

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Also how far range are you flying where Iota wont see you? That be self BFR if your out of sight from flying so high?

The fact that X-Man is invisible means she can't see him to begin with. He's also moving to your attack limit.

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Again Shrike if worst comes to worst can easily fly down while your going up and tag ya. Shrikes Skills and Gear to evade Psykers and Sorcerors be like Ultimate wolverine vs Iron Man.

Waiting for @Esquire: on that.

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Oh one more thing why I dont think TK Earthquaking will work. That seems BEYOND Yoda TK which is what were limited too.....

Could you provide all of Yoda's feats because that vague. And vague is no way to debate.

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1) Got it. Makes sense. NO!

2) It makes sense to me cause the Sky is there Domain and your flying in their area.

Assuming they can prevail, they won’t be able to leave the city until two minutes after the team that arrived first. To make the initial race more interesting, on the way down through the city you will be attacked by all nine Black Riders on their flying steeds.

3) The challenge outside is us fighting 3 on 3 and reaching the gate fisrt. Shrike can reach that gate pretty fast by free falling onto it. The Near Bullet speed Running of Iota, Lillith, and Drazhar be there fast as well. Howver theres nothing keeping Shrik in the city with a Jump pack.

4) Iota like any good Culexus have hunted Psykers across entire worlds.

A Culexus Assassin hunts a Farseer (some of the most powerful Psykers in 40K) across the world and the Farseer knows he cannot hide or escape. They can feel the Psy Energy with their own Negative Psy Energy. X-Man is throwing around alot of energy to be felt. Also Shrike Helmet has asorted Heat Vision and Night Vision modes and thru HVGs mode be able to target Invisible X-Man.

5) We will wait to see what he says on that.

6) Cannon feats are Movies and EU.

Beggining and then Skip to 2:20

Also the scene where he lifts about 25 tons of X-Wing Fighter from the swamp in Empire Strikes back.

#21 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: Found it! it was hard too.

Recockulas how hard it is to find this scene....

#22 Edited by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry for the confusion. For the purposes of this thread, assume there is an invincible forcefield surrounding the city, with the only exit being the front gate. The Riders will stay within this forcefield until both teams have defeated the forces guarding the gate. Then, assuming they weren't killed during the race, they will exit the city and attack.

Sorry, Cadence, but I have to say no to Shrike flying off straight away. Archangel could do it, too, and that just defeats the purpose of the race portion. They can both get to the battle so fast that it basically makes it a 1-on-1 race to begin with, which defeats the purpose of dividing the teams. And no to the Riders attacking before the race is over. If both teams finish the race fast enough, though, they could still be a factor.

Edit: Also, 400 posts even! W00t!

#23 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

Do we have any one who knows Yoda's EU feats. It will be much appreciated.

@CadenceV2:

Tracking him will not help her. The only way Iota can fight him equally is flight.

While I wait on Yoda's EU feats. I will show X-Man's alternate way of fighting her.

Instead of dropping Iota in the ground X-Man drops the ground on Iota until she's gone. Which is still as effective.

As for the 12 meters bubble of protection it will not stop a continuous assault of 25 ton rocks. If only one hits their fight will be over due to durability rule.

#24 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: agreed that fallen boulders would end her. However she is 1 Tonner in strength (as the Scans show her throwing 1 ton of Power Armour Marine EASILY off her back) so those need be big rocks and she still has Bullet speed and Galaxy Fame Dodging skills.

Also I think her racing to your team with Drazhar and Lillith would be quicks as a few seconds and then I can kill Gorgon and Deadpool uber fast with our 3 on 2.

As seen here Assassin skills and Dodging are so honed they can dodge wile have their Eyes burned from their skull by Acid Spit and even Deaf from ruptured eardrums can still fight and dodge Bolt Shells.

Rocks falling is no problem dodging at all.

Same for the Dark Eldar Succubus and Phoenix Lord.

This is a Space Marine (with enhance sense and reflexes) loosing sight of a standard Dark Eldar Warrior. Nowhere near the skill of speed of a a Succubus or the Phoenix Lord. My guys perceave and relate informtion faster than a human mind or thought.

This is from the Eldar Codex 5th edition. Eldar have faster than human Thought and Speed to seem like blurs to human eyes.

Dark Eldar 5th Edition prove DE have lost Psy power of normal Eldar but gain geneticly faster Speed and Strength.

Lillith is one of the Fastest Dark Eldar. Her scan in the first page says as much.

Drazhar is so fast that even the faster DE have trouble keeping up with him.

This is from the Scan of Drazhar Bio on the first Page.

So in the end falling rocks will be easily seen and dodge by these Bullet Timers in thought and reflex. I should also make it to the gate so fast that Deadpool and Gorgon get blitz with X-Man flying around unable to help as Iotas Null Zone passes over DP and Gorgon.

#25 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

agreed that fallen boulders would end her. However she is 1 Tonner in strength (as the Scans show her throwing 1 ton of Power Armour Marine EASILY off her back) so those need be big rocks and she still has Bullet speed and Galaxy Fame Dodging skills.
Also I think her racing to your team with Drazhar and Lillith would be quicks as a few seconds and then I can kill Gorgon and Deadpool uber fast with our 3 on 2.

And end the rest of your team. You can't agree on a point, then argue.

It's not about reflexes it's more about stamina. My team having edge due to healing factors.

Seeing as there is an army and long distance for your team to travel on foot. I'd estimate 1min before our teams fight. Giving my team telepathic planing time.

I have not mentioned this but X-Man and Gorgon are telepaths, meaning a telepathic links would be set at the start of the round.

You also ignored Deadpool's teleporter. That's able to teleport two people at once.(see page 1)

My team having the edge in mobility, having the option of staying out of attack range until Iota is dealt with.

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As seen here Assassin skills and Dodging are so honed they can dodge wile have their Eyes burned from their skull by Acid Spit and even Deaf from ruptured eardrums can still fight and dodge Bolt Shells.
Rocks falling is no problem dodging at all.
Same for the Dark Eldar Succubus and Phoenix Lord.

Once again reflexes mean nothing if they can keep it up & all it takes is once.

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This is a Space Marine (with enhance sense and reflexes) loosing sight of a standard Dark Eldar Warrior. Nowhere near the skill of speed of a a Succubus or the Phoenix Lord. My guys perceave and relate informtion faster than a human mind or thought.

Seeing as they are dealing with super humans. I can deem this irrelevant.

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This is from the Eldar Codex 5th edition. Eldar have faster than human Thought and Speed to seem like blurs to human eyes.

Gorgon & Daken have pulled this feat on a regular. So combat speed matches up but does not exceed theirs.

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Dark Eldar 5th Edition prove DE have lost Psy power of normal Eldar but gain geneticly faster Speed and Strength.
Lillith is one of the Fastest Dark Eldar. Her scan in the first page says as much.
Drazhar is so fast that even the faster DE have trouble keeping up with him.

More speed feats. OK

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This is from the Scan of Drazhar Bio on the first Page.
So in the end falling rocks will be easily seen and dodge by these Bullet Timers in thought and reflex. I should also make it to the gate so fast that Deadpool and Gorgon get blitz with X-Man flying around unable to help as Iotas Null Zone passes over DP and Gorgon.

See above.

Wait what!? Blitzed!

But all that blitzing will be taken care of with Deadpool's teleporter.

Plus X-Man has taken on all of Deadpool's & Gorgon's skills. But that is irrelevant due to the use of his powers

We need not debate blitzing.

#26 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity:

Alrighty...

And end the rest of your team. You can't agree on a point, then argue.

It's not about reflexes it's more about stamina. My team having edge due to healing factors.

Seeing as there is an army and long distance for your team to travel on foot. I'd estimate 1min before our teams fight. Giving my team telepathic planing time.

I have not mentioned this but X-Man and Gorgon are telepaths, meaning a telepathic links would be set at the start of the round.

You also ignored Deadpool's teleporter. That's able to teleport two people at once.(see page 1)

My team having the edge in mobility, having the option of staying out of attack range until Iota is dealt with.

Im not too worry about them staying out of range. Iota can dodge all day long like M-Shen as can Drazhar and Lillith. Ill reach the gates while your guys play keep away and wait till Shrike and M'Shen make it down first. Once they're out M'Shen will still be a lonely simple guard and can easy sneak on the Team and Neural Shred there thoughts.

A 15 meter expanding Beam that shreds any coherant thought while being hit with it.

Then Shrike can Air attack X-Man.

All this will allow Iota and Group to run up on your DP and Gorgon and chop them to bits.

Healing Factor means little to the Power Weapons and being slice to tiny bits. Also Lilliths Agoniser will painfully set on fire every pain receptor in any of your teams body. The poison from Lillith and M'Shen weapons and gear will also help slow them down as well.

Once again reflexes mean nothing if they can keep it up & all it takes is once.

Well since my guys are so good at it I can just keep dodging. Also if your TK can reach me then your under constant threat of Iota gaining intel via Vox Net from Shrike as to your position and blasting ya with Negative Psy Energy for Psykers.

Seeing as they are dealing with super humans. I can deem this irrelevant.

Not Irrelevant. Infact important. Your guys have no speed feats or reflexes vs 4 of my 5 guys. Marvel in general has few bullet timers in combat speed. Gorgon maybe. DP and X-Man are not. They have slower thought process and reflexes.

Gorgon & Daken have pulled this feat on a regular. So combat speed matches up but does not exceed theirs.

True that but Daken has no Super Speed or Bullet Speed at all. Infact he was beaten by Spider Man Spider Sense and Speed. He simply uses skill that Opponets have difficulty in following. So really Gorgon is the only one.

More speed feats. OK

Want more?

Speed and Skill. Here is a Succubus under Lillith in Skill dodging Bolters that tear thru her squad and manages to use a Agoniser that Paralyzes a Chaos Lord Space Marine. The most resilent and stubborn Space Marines around. Total Incapacitated. And gets away with him to boot.
Same Succubus so fast that even her kind cant see her movements.
Same Succubus again killing 3 Daemonetts (Daemons modeled after Dark Eldar and faster as well) with one move.

Skill and speed and his Succubus is lower than Lillith who is the best among them.

I posted Drazhar feats.

See above.

Wait what!? Blitzed!

But all that blitzing will be taken care of with Deadpool's teleporter.

Plus X-Man has taken on all of Deadpool's & Gorgon's skills. But that is irrelevant due to the use of his powers

We need not debate blitzing.

Okay so Gorgon can keep up. I thought as much. I know DP Teleport means nothing as he never utilise it like say Nightcrawler tele Attacks. DP is still peak human Reaction times and speed. Not a Bullet Timer at all. Iota and Lillith will kill him quick if they engage. Espiciay with Lilliths Agoniser temp paralysing him. Or Iota Animus speculum Brain Frying him as well.

Drazhar as said can easy disarm Gorgon as my Power weapons will cut right thru your metal sword easy. His Power weapons and over 10000 years of Skill will end Gorgon.

Again most of my team have More Combat and Battle experiance than anyone on yours. Drazhar has more fighting experiance than your whole team together.

I have many unique weapons and abilites to stop you dead for a few seconds and end ya. I have weapons that cut thru any physical matter and most forms of energy.

I have all Bullet Timers but Shrike who is still near Bullet Timer.

I have this.

#27 Posted by JediWaffles (746 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@Mr_Ingenuity

Shelob is a giant spider, about 20 feet tall. She has the durability to tank sword strokes from normal strength characters, and for the purpose of this thread we'll say Kevlar durability. Her stinger poisons people, rendering them comatose for around an hour. She can make webs, but doesn't really use them in combat. She is cunning and willing to use sneak attacks. She moves at Captain America speeds.

The Balrog is a monster about 30 feet tall with just above Luke Cage durability and strength, who wields a flaming whip and breathes fire. He's not particularly intelligent, though, and isn't particularly skilled, either, mostly relying on his stats.

Legolas has Captain America physicals and Hawkeye/Green Arrow level accuracy with a bow.

I beg to differ, a Balrog is EXTREMELY strong and intelligent and skilled, and destroys everything in this scenario. You could just use a dumbed down version of one though.

#28 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire I just wanted to mention there's no such thing as "every omniverse", as the omniverse incorporates every possible universe. It would just be "the omniverse" or "all universes". ;P

#29 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

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Im not too worry about them staying out of range. Iota can dodge all day long like M-Shen as can Drazhar and Lillith. Ill reach the gates while your guys play keep away and wait till Shrike and M'Shen make it down first. Once they're out M'Shen will still be a lonely simple guard and can easy sneak on the Team and Neural Shred there thoughts.

We shouldn't have to much to discuss about this fight further, but seeing the rest of your post throws that out the window.

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A 15 meter expanding Beam that shreds any coherant thought while being hit with it.
Then Shrike can Air attack X-Man.
All this will allow Iota and Group to run up on your DP and Gorgon and chop them to bits.
Healing Factor means little to the Power Weapons and being slice to tiny bits. Also Lilliths Agoniser will painfully set on fire every pain receptor in any of your teams body. The poison from Lillith and M'Shen weapons and gear will also help slow them down as well.

Maybe we should only bring up charters that are in the current battle. Its been made clear that both sides have separate challenges that will consume their time.

If your guys need out side help then it better to assume they will not make it threw a long fight.

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Well since my guys are so good at it I can just keep dodging. Also if your TK can reach me then your under constant threat of Iota gaining intel via Vox Net from Shrike as to your position and blasting ya with Negative Psy Energy for Psykers.

By this point you've seen the above.

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Not Irrelevant. Infact important. Your guys have no speed feats or reflexes vs 4 of my 5 guys. Marvel in general has few bullet timers in combat speed. Gorgon maybe. DP and X-Man are not. They have slower thought process and reflexes.

Deadpool and X-Man are bullet timers, Deadpool regularly and X-Man through the absorption of his teams skills (see above scan for X-Man).

Deadpool's combat speed.

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True that but Daken has no Super Speed or Bullet Speed at all. Infact he was beaten by Spider Man Spider Sense and Speed. He simply uses skill that Opponets have difficulty in following. So really Gorgon is the only one.

No 4 out of five guys on my team are bullet timers. Those opponents you speak of have super human senses and speed. Better than the guys you have spoken about.

As for reflexes Gorgon is not alone.

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Okay so Gorgon can keep up. I thought as much. I know DP Teleport means nothing as he never utilise it like say Nightcrawler tele Attacks. DP is still peak human Reaction times and speed. Not a Bullet Timer at all. Iota and Lillith will kill him quick if they engage. Espiciay with Lilliths Agoniser temp paralysing him. Or Iota Animus speculum Brain Frying him as well.
Drazhar as said can easy disarm Gorgon as my Power weapons will cut right thru your metal sword easy. His Power weapons and over 10000 years of Skill will end Gorgon.
Again most of my team have More Combat and Battle experiance than anyone on yours. Drazhar has more fighting experiance than your whole team together.
I have many unique weapons and abilites to stop you dead for a few seconds and end ya. I have weapons that cut thru any physical matter and most forms of energy.
I have all Bullet Timers but Shrike who is still near Bullet Timer.
I have this.

No nothing like nightcrawler (see page 1). If you missed the first scans here's some more.

Gorgons swords are made of magic to be the ultimate swords.

(10000 years of Skill) That means nothing in a fight. Or have you not read this guy.

Near is still not close enough.

#30 Posted by Chaos Prime (10857 posts) - - Show Bio

loving this debate A+ fellas :)

#31 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediWaffles said:

I beg to differ, a Balrog is EXTREMELY strong and intelligent and skilled, and destroys everything in this scenario. You could just use a dumbed down version of one though.

That's true. You're not going to kill a realistic Balrog with a street-leveler. A Balrog as seen in the Silmarillion could probably solo everyone here, including both armies and the city itself. So I had to dumb it down. I'm mostly just adding quantifiable stats to the relatively unimpressive movie Balrog.

@greenteaforme said:

@Esquire I just wanted to mention there's no such thing as "every omniverse", as the omniverse incorporates every possible universe. It would just be "the omniverse" or "all universes". ;P

Well, in my defense, Cadence was the one who wrote the basic OP, I just added the LOTR flavor portion. :P But you're absolutely right, and I didn't even think about that.

#32 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@CadenceV2:

A 15 meter expanding Beam that shreds any coherant thought while being hit with it.
Then Shrike can Air attack X-Man.
All this will allow Iota and Group to run up on your DP and Gorgon and chop them to bits.
Healing Factor means little to the Power Weapons and being slice to tiny bits. Also Lilliths Agoniser will painfully set on fire every pain receptor in any of your teams body. The poison from Lillith and M'Shen weapons and gear will also help slow them down as well.

Maybe we should only bring up charters that are in the current battle. Its been made clear that both sides have separate challenges that will consume their time.

If your guys need out side help then it better to assume they will not make it threw a long fight.

Not sure if I've made this clear, but once your two team members make it out of the city they can join the other three on their team, making it 5-on-3 until the other two can make it out. If you can debate for your two being fast enough, then they can join the fight very quickly. If you can debate for the other team taking a long time to get there, then they won't be able to help as quickly.

#33 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@CadenceV2:

A 15 meter expanding Beam that shreds any coherant thought while being hit with it.
Then Shrike can Air attack X-Man.
All this will allow Iota and Group to run up on your DP and Gorgon and chop them to bits.
Healing Factor means little to the Power Weapons and being slice to tiny bits. Also Lilliths Agoniser will painfully set on fire every pain receptor in any of your teams body. The poison from Lillith and M'Shen weapons and gear will also help slow them down as well.

Maybe we should only bring up charters that are in the current battle. Its been made clear that both sides have separate challenges that will consume their time.

If your guys need out side help then it better to assume they will not make it threw a long fight.

Not sure if I've made this clear, but once your two team members make it out of the city they can join the other three on their team, making it 5-on-3 until the other two can make it out. If you can debate for your two being fast enough, then they can join the fight very quickly. If you can debate for the other team taking a long time to get there, then they won't be able to help as quickly.

It's been made clear but I have not started this part of the scenario, and was locked into the first half. Which made that part less significant due to the grater part of the debate.

But starting the second half now. Willing to debate every thing @CadenceV2: has said (on page 1) showing Daken & Arcangel are faster.

Mr. I will start inside the red building.
Both of your characters will have to make your way to the front gate before your opponent, where they will have to fight their way through the Fellowship of the Ring
All characters will be at the peak of the abilities we’ve seen them display, Gandalf will not be present, and Frodo will be wearing the ring with no ill effects, rendering him invisible. Once you have defeated Middle Earth’s last hope of survival, one of your characters gets the ring of invisibility, and one gets Anduril, an unbreakable sword that cuts through anything. They can then join the fight outside.

Arcangel carrying Daken flying at mach1 / 340.29 m/s will be fast. So being first is not a problem. As M'Shen and Strike couldn't out speed Daken & Arcangel.

(Yes I called them out. Would you like to debate it)

Even though I have never seen the movies I doubt The Fellowship will be a problem.

Daken is fast enough to kill most of them be for they can react and has pheromones that make all of them disoriented.

Arcangel has wings that can cut anyone of normal durability and feathers (if they count as feathers) that have paralyzing neurotoxins.

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Them reaching the out side with the weapons will equal out to zilch. Deadpool, Gorgon & X-Man will have taken care of Lillith, Dhrazar, and Iota.

Then my team will wait for M'Shen and Strike. It would be easy from then on.

#34 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: Maybe we should only bring up charters that are in the current battle. Its been made clear that both sides have separate challenges that will consume their time.

As Esquire Said my guys will join the fight beofre yours.

If your guys need out side help then it better to assume they will not make it threw a long fight.

See Above. My guys can dodge and then work as a full team vs your fraction forces.

Deadpool and X-Man are bullet timers, Deadpool regularly and X-Man through the absorption of his teams skills (see above scan for X-Man).

Deadpool's combat speed.

No 4 out of five guys on my team are bullet timers. Those opponents you speak of have super human senses and speed. Better than the guys you have spoken about.

As for reflexes Gorgon is not alone.

DP showed dodging. Nothing real Super Speed in Combat or even perception. Heck a second ago you were claiming how Bullet Speed Daken was (Which hes not) and DP couldnt keep up with him and comment Super Speed means nothing.

No nothing like nightcrawler (see page 1). If you missed the first scans here's some more.

I see DP Teleporting to get away not attack.

Gorgons swords are made of magic to be the ultimate swords.

Alright maybe they can withstand a Power Weapon attack.

(10000 years of Skill) That means nothing in a fight. Or have you not read this guy.

Near is still not close enough.

Ummmm Ares? That guy who been around less than a 10K years with no credible fights vs Lillith (1000+), Drazar (10K), and Shrike (300+) who been around and fighting the best near everyday.

Not so comparable.

It's been made clear but I have not started this part of the scenario, and was locked into the first half. Which made that part less significant due to the grater part of the debate.

But starting the second half now. Willing to debate every thing @CadenceV2: has said (on page 1) showing Daken & Arcangel are faster.

Go ahead.

Arcangel carrying Daken flying at mach1 / 340.29 m/s will be fast. So being first is not a problem. As M'Shen and Strike couldn't out speed Daken & Arcangel.

(Yes I called them out. Would you like to debate it)

Even though I have never seen the movies I doubt The Fellowship will be a problem.

Daken is fast enough to kill most of them be for they can react and has pheromones that make all of them disoriented.

Arcangel has wings that can cut anyone of normal durability and feathers (if they count as feathers) that have paralyzing neurotoxins.

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Them reaching the out side with the weapons will equal out to zilch. Deadpool, Gorgon & X-Man will have taken care of Lillith, Dhrazar, and Iota.

Then my team will wait for M'Shen and Strike. It would be easy from then on.

Well I can have Shrike use his Jet Pack to go Mach One and easily keep pace with Archangel while Carrying M'Shen if ya want to play that way. Jump Packs are design for Mach Speed flat out and travel from high orbit to Atmoshere in seconds.

So now we establish both of us reach the bottome at Mach speeds....

Shrike and M'Shen are immune to Dakens Pheramones. Fact.

So Shrike is Chemicly sealed.....
Any poinsin gas or any nerve agent for that matter is nulify.
Shrike like all SM have 3 large lungs and can hold breath for a hour or breath perfectly find thru harmful substance.
Space Marines can taste and unsusual substance in the air.

Also Shrike has Power Armour with helmet. He has a self contain Enviroment and Recycled Air. Pheramones is non factor.

M'Shen has Synskin.

It covers all her body (mouth, nose, ect.... ) and protects from any gas or toxins. Sure doubt Pheramones will somehow magicly sneak thru.

Also my 2 guys are the best at Stealth. M'Shen as a lowly Polymorphin Drug looking commoner guard can snake her way where needed without a second look.

Shrike stealth as seen in Scans can walk on the most alert and even Psykers without a clue.

Both will wait till you wear yourself out doing your thing. Then after you deal with the Balrog and Legolas Army M'Shen will nearual Shred Daken into a Stupor and C'Tan Phase Blade him in half. Easy. Shrike will jet Pack onto Archangle. Nothing Angel can do will pass thru Shrikes Power Armour. Shrike Raven Claws Power Weapons will cut right thru on the molecular level Arch Angels steel wings.

I win this bout easy.

#35 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

Well I can have Shrike use his Jet Pack to go Mach One and easily keep pace with Archangel while Carrying M'Shen if ya want to play that way. Jump Packs are design for Mach Speed flat out and travel from high orbit to Atmoshere in seconds. So now we establish both of us reach the bottome at Mach speeds....

It doesn't work that way. It is fully in character for Arcangel to carry teammates. So your teams first plan to solve this problem would not be the same. It would not be a joint effort but to separate strategies of stealth.

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M'Shen will use her Polymorphin Drug.
This will let her Take any shape she desires. She would assume the Lonely Soilder and Sprint down, kill a guard, take his uniform, and continue running. Calidus Assassins are also Faster than Space Marines and I dare say faster than Captain america in running. This Disguise would allow her to run past the Fellowship Completely.

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Shrike on the other hand is one of the best Stealth Marines of all time.
As seen Raven Guard are capable of sneaking undected by the 5 main senses as well Pychic and Magic Senses. There the best Stealthers around. Shrike is the best among the Raven Guard at stealth and would easily go undected once he Jump Packs down to the gate and wait for M'Shen.

You said it yourself this is how they operate. So copying would not be their original plan. And arriving second means it would be to late to copy.

Arcangel & Daken will reach the bottom first with the with weapons from the Fellowship.

Deadpool, Gorgon & X-Man will already be done on their side. Whether it's due to opening the ground or usage of 25 ton boulders.

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If you would like to @CadenceV2: we may debate on how M'Shen and Strike fight all five of members of my team.

#36 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@CadenceV2:

Well I can have Shrike use his Jet Pack to go Mach One and easily keep pace with Archangel while Carrying M'Shen if ya want to play that way. Jump Packs are design for Mach Speed flat out and travel from high orbit to Atmoshere in seconds. So now we establish both of us reach the bottome at Mach speeds....

It doesn't work that way. It is fully in character for Arcangel to carry teammates. So your teams first plan to solve this problem would not be the same. It would not be a joint effort but to separate strategies of stealth.

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M'Shen will use her Polymorphin Drug.
This will let her Take any shape she desires. She would assume the Lonely Soilder and Sprint down, kill a guard, take his uniform, and continue running. Calidus Assassins are also Faster than Space Marines and I dare say faster than Captain america in running. This Disguise would allow her to run past the Fellowship Completely.

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Shrike on the other hand is one of the best Stealth Marines of all time.
As seen Raven Guard are capable of sneaking undected by the 5 main senses as well Pychic and Magic Senses. There the best Stealthers around. Shrike is the best among the Raven Guard at stealth and would easily go undected once he Jump Packs down to the gate and wait for M'Shen.

You said it yourself this is how they operate. So copying would not be their original plan. And arriving second means it would be to late to copy.

Arcangel & Daken will reach the bottom first with the with weapons from the Fellowship.

Deadpool, Gorgon & X-Man will already be done on their side. Whether it's due to opening the ground or usage of 25 ton boulders.

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If you would like to @CadenceV2: we may debate on how M'Shen and Strike fight all five of members of my team.

1) I will copy now i see the cheap move your pulling and can easily do that too. If my guys saw both yours ready to fly down together you think Shrike and M'Shen will carry on with the current plan. Hell no.

2) wrong again as I posted above. I can run down or seeing your cheap move copy it. Im not bound to one scenario. as for M'Shen she could actualy kill all 5 of your guys rather easy.

:)

#37 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Not you are not bound to one scenario, but neither scenarios give you the edge.

Between your guys seeing and then following suit, the fellowship would be dead by Arcangel & Daken. Meaning your guys would be second.

Leaving M'Shen and Strike to the second scenario & missing valuable time.

As for M'Shen soloing I would love to debate this.

#38 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Plus the fact that I have a distance advantage.

Cadence will start at the blue circle, and Mr. I will start inside the red building. In tests, Captain America could sprint from the blue circle to the center of the green space in exactly the same time it took him to navigate from inside the building to the center of the green space.
#39 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@CadenceV2: Not you are not bound to one scenario, but neither scenarios give you the edge.

Between your guys seeing and then following suit, the fellowship would be dead by Arcangel & Daken. Meaning your guys would be second.

Leaving M'Shen and Strike to the second scenario & missing valuable time.

As for M'Shen soloing I would love to debate this.

My poin is I can have Shrike reach there by his Lonesome first! or Have M'Shen team up with him for a ride seeing yours doing the same. I have 2 options were I beat you there with Shrike or with shrike and M'Shen.

As seen I have a direct path and you dont.

#40 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: My point is they are not restricted by a cliff face. So are able to stream line their decent against wind resistance, along with mach 1 flight.

But it seems we hit the circling debate.

So I think it's better for votes.

#41 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity: Before I vote. i want to say Shrike would eat Daken alive in Strength, Speed, and Skill. He could as easily Stealth him and with Power Weapon Claws cut Daken in Half. Or as I said before and kill Arch Angel even easier.

As seen here Shaan as a Brother captain killed Machine/Servitors Templars (pretty much terminators from the movies withmore weapons) . Key things to note here was Blast Shutters cut thru with PowerWeapons and Shaan killin a Giant Cyborg face buitl in the wall via Claws.

Shaan and his Squad slip past and one shot mutiple Chaos Space Marines while the Marine recon equivlant Scouts had no clue what had happen and Shaan snuck up on them.

heres a 30 tonner Mutant that at first seems to manhandle Shaans Squad. The Brother Captain jumps on top and effortlessly kills the Hulking Beast.

Anyway all these feats are of Brother Captain Shaan of 4th company. Shrike of 3rd Company has all the training and skill in combat, as well sealth, and is agreed by the Raven Claw Chapter as the best in both.

Just wanted to get that out there.

Also M'Shens batle with Talos the Space Marine of the Night Lords. Key points is Effortlessly dodging Bolts. Throwing of a full ton of Sm. Outrunning Sm with ease. Training to dodge bullets and attacks by sound and feeling alone. Fighting while her face was melting off. Also Even tho Talos had Power Armour he knew her fist alone could end him. She also had to loose blood and her right hand (from 4 Super fast Eldar Raiders) along with Eyesight and hearing before Talos could beat her. This battle is without the Nearul Shredder which would have ended talos with a blast.

Im ready to vote now.

#42 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: @Chaos Prime: @greenteaforme:

The voting has started.

#43 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Flying might not be the best course of action, since there are nine immortal ringwraiths flying around, too...

#44 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: Im good. Shrike can survive any bite of those creatures and behead them quicker in one swipe with his Power Weapon Raven Claws.

#45 Edited by Chaos Prime (10857 posts) - - Show Bio

tough one here because imo X-Man is such a huge threat but CadenceV2 has made a very good case Defence/Offence for his team.

Going to need alittle longer to think this one over :)

#46 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

Bumped for votes.

#47 Posted by Fetts (4518 posts) - - Show Bio

I think I'm voting for Mr. Ingenuity.

#48 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

Bumped for votes.

#49 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7723 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire: We need more votes & more bumps.

#50 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Cadence's anti-psychic bubble is the difference-maker here. It limits X-Man's attacks to rock-throwing, and the last part of their trajectory he won't be able to control. From everything Cadence showed, it looks like his characters wouldn't have trouble dodging falling rocks, and if they get within 40 feet of X-Man, he's a goner. I have to give this one to Cadence.