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#1 Posted by Hulk_inside (58 posts) - - Show Bio

DO NOT GET WORLD BREAKER HULK CONFUSED WITH WORLD WAR HULK! WORLD BREAKER IS A MORE POWERFUL INCARNATION THAN WORLD WAR

no prep, Silver surfer does NOT have any help from Galactus, both at their full potential, who would win? (btw both Bloodlust)

#2 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17789 posts) - - Show Bio

world breaker hulk wins this, i he is var to powerful and strong besides he emits ton;s of gamma energy, and more importantly he can absorb radiation

#3 Posted by Hulk_inside (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull: i think so but silver surfer was beating Thor's ass for a bit and as much as i hate to admit it; Thor is more powerful the WB hulk so quite a difficult one.

#4 Edited by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer again and again and again. Always has, always will. Surfer is just a bad opponent for any Hulk to be put up against cause they lose.

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#5 Posted by _slim_ (13075 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer.

#6 Posted by The_Peter_Cosmic (401 posts) - - Show Bio

We will never know the extent of World Breakers abilities since he can't even walk without tearing the world apart. That said, SS doesn't need to get anywhere close to Hulk and Hulk is very limited when it comes to ranged fighting. So I'd say Hulk could kill the Surfer if he got his hands on him, but that would require CIS on Norin's end.

#7 Posted by Maluke (62 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Peter_Cosmic said:

We will never know the extent of World Breakers abilities since he can't even walk without tearing the world apart. That said, SS doesn't need to get anywhere close to Hulk and Hulk is very limited when it comes to ranged fighting. So I'd say Hulk could kill the Surfer if he got his hands on him, but that would require CIS on Norin's end.

Couldn't agree more. As much as I love Hulk, he will always be defeated by SS, unless he gets his hands on him.

#8 Posted by samuel_larson_10 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

I think norrin would just hang back and blast hulk full of planet-destroying-cosmic-beams

#9 Posted by Hulk_inside (58 posts) - - Show Bio

@samuel_larson_10: he hasn't got that much power straight away, he would have to take a while to make that sort of power and by then hulk would of already got his hands on him. I don't think he can just shoot that much power from nothing.

#10 Posted by beyonder2012 (241 posts) - - Show Bio

look,im a huge hulk fan but going against surfer wouldn't be good for big green.he could suck the gamma radiation out of him,create a black hole,just go intangable and start blasting him.it just wouldn't be good

#11 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

Surfer again and again and again. Always has, always will. Surfer is just a bad opponent for any Hulk to be put up against cause they lose.

#12 Posted by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hulk_inside said:

@samuel_larson_10: he hasn't got that much power straight away, he would have to take a while to make that sort of power and by then hulk would of already got his hands on him. I don't think he can just shoot that much power from nothing.

False. Surfer can and has released that much energy easily without no build up. He did it against Ravenous just to teach him a lesson.

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#13 Posted by GreenKnight100 (231 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Peter_Cosmic said:

We will never know the extent of World Breakers abilities since he can't even walk without tearing the world apart. That said, SS doesn't need to get anywhere close to Hulk and Hulk is very limited when it comes to ranged fighting. So I'd say Hulk could kill the Surfer if he got his hands on him, but that would require CIS on Norin's end.

Exactly

#14 Posted by girugamesh (439 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@Hulk_inside said:

@samuel_larson_10: he hasn't got that much power straight away, he would have to take a while to make that sort of power and by then hulk would of already got his hands on him. I don't think he can just shoot that much power from nothing.

False. Surfer can and has released that much energy easily without no build up. He did it against Ravenous just to teach him a lesson.

This.

Norrin wins against pretty much any version of the Hulk.

#15 Posted by beyonder2012 (241 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull: i usually agree with you bud but not on this one.surfer has to wide of a power set and as powerful as world breaker is,surfer can just go intangible and drain him of gamma radiation.

#16 Posted by Immortal777 (7238 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

Surfer again and again and again. Always has, always will. Surfer is just a bad opponent for any Hulk to be put up against cause they lose.

#17 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

In physical fight, Hulk should wins.

But in realistic situation, Surfer can use so many other powers, he definitely wins.

#18 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

Surfer again and again and again. Always has, always will. Surfer is just a bad opponent for any Hulk to be put up against cause they lose.

@_slim_ said:

Surfer.

#19 Posted by Malevolent1 (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

If we are talking about a battle written for a comic book, then probably Hulk.

If we are talking an honest appraisal of each character's power set, CIS/PIS off, both combatants going all out? Silver Surfer wins and twice on Sunday. Surfer is way too fast for Hulk to realistically deal with.

#20 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

SS

#21 Posted by stonerthps (734 posts) - - Show Bio

This is spite. Hulk really has no chance with surfer. Please stop making pointless threads with Surfer as if he's some run of the mill super hero.

#22 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer, by any of the following methods:

1 - Throws him into space, win via BFR

2 - Drain gamma radiation from him

3 - Uses planet busting blasts against him

4 - Lets Hulk use his planet busting power, roast the planet, and then defeat himself because now Hulk is floating in space and worthless

5 - Can't Silver Surfer BFR people to the Astral Plane?

6 - Surfer gives him a hug, calming him back into Bruce Banner state

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#23 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17789 posts) - - Show Bio

@beyonder2012: it's cool man, we can't always agree, but silver surfer can't really drain this particular hulk because he was generating so much gamma energy that that he nearly around him, that even armaggedon could not channel , and he has defeated the silver surfer by using the power cosmic against him , so i still give this to WBHULK

#24 Posted by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

fail thread SS stomps

#25 Edited by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

@beyonder2012: it's cool man, we can't always agree, but silver surfer can't really drain this particular hulk because he was generating so much gamma energy that that he nearly around him, that even armaggedon could not channel , and he has defeated the silver surfer by using the power cosmic against him , so i still give this to WBHULK

When has Hulk ever defeated the Silver Surfer by using the PC against him? Hulk couldn't even defeat a weakened SS on Planet Hulk if not for the Warbound. Surfer on his death bed also had no problem manipulating the Big Crunch which killed both Aegis and Tenebrous so I fail to see any reason he can't manipulate or drain the energy from Hulk other than a weak explanation of "he just can't cause there was so much".

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#26 Posted by GraniteSoldier (7440 posts) - - Show Bio

Makes me sad as a Hulk fan, he's in an awkward power area where he either seems to stomp a win on this site or the much more frequently get stomped in a loss. In this case, I believe it is the latter, I don't see how if Surfer is truely fighting Hulk, going all out, how Hulk would ever even lay a hand on him. Surfer takes it.

#27 Posted by ShootingNova (16112 posts) - - Show Bio

SS definitely takes it.

#28 Posted by ShootingNova (16112 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

world breaker hulk wins this, i he is var to powerful and strong besides he emits ton;s of gamma energy, and more importantly he can absorb radiation

None of the reasons you gave are sufficient for the Hulk to win.

Unless this is purely physical, SS definitely wins.

#29 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17789 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

@beyonder2012: it's cool man, we can't always agree, but silver surfer can't really drain this particular hulk because he was generating so much gamma energy that that he nearly around him, that even armaggedon could not channel , and he has defeated the silver surfer by using the power cosmic against him , so i still give this to WBHULK

When has Hulk ever defeated the Silver Surfer by using the PC against him? Hulk couldn't even defeat a weakened SS on Planet Hulk if not for the Warbound. Surfer on his death bed also had no problem manipulating the Big Crunch which killed both Aegis and Tenebrous so I fail to see any reason he can't manipulate or drain the energy from Hulk other than a weak explanation of "he just can't cause there was so much".

i never said he did, i said armaggedon defeated silver surfer by using PC against him , the only thing i can say is that neither armaggedon was able to completely drain WBH energy even though he was getting stronger as the hulk got mad since he was channeling his power, and rulk couldn't drain world war hulk ( not that rulk is anywhere near silver surfer) , thats all i've got

and for the record is it was physical means hulk would win, in planet hulk, hulk vied silver surfer as a friend so he did not attack, but when he realized otherwise he pounded the surfer ( okey to be fair silver surfer did snap out by then) amd as i recall hulk was weakened during planet hulk . and now here come the can of the hulk vs armaggedon fight

#30 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17789 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

world breaker hulk wins this, i he is var to powerful and strong besides he emits ton;s of gamma energy, and more importantly he can absorb radiation

None of the reasons you gave are sufficient for the Hulk to win.

Unless this is purely physical, SS definitely wins.

i posted some scans maybe they could help out my side , if not then ss takes the majority

#31 Posted by TDK_1997 (14648 posts) - - Show Bio

SS will take the Hulk down again.

#32 Edited by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull:

i never said he did, i said armaggedon defeated silver surfer by using PC against him , the only thing i can say is that neither armaggedon was able to completely drain WBH energy even though he was getting stronger as the hulk got mad since he was channeling his power, and rulk couldn't drain world war hulk ( not that rulk is anywhere near silver surfer) , thats all i've got

IIRC he defeated Silver Surfer and Hulk was like 15+ years ago, correct? If so, then I find it useless as Surfer has only gotten much stronger since then. From the looks of the scans you presented this guy wasn't draining Hulk, he was using Hulk's own power against him and Hulk's body naturally absorbs his gamma rays. It's like stealing solar energy from the sun then shooting it right back. Surfer's already manipulated an energy source when he could hardly stand that killed 2 Galactus level beings.

And Rulk is no Silver Surfer as far as energy manipulating draining goes so it really is pointless. Hulk is very rudimentary in manipulating his own energy and pales in comparison to Surfer's manipulative abilities. so I find saying SS can't drain Hulk or manipulate his energy away from him to be ridiculous.

But I'll say SS can't for debate purposes. Surfer tends to fight ranged, he isn't coming in close for Hulk all that often. So how is Hulk going to catch him exactly? Thunderclap? Leap at an opponent that is marginally faster in pretty much all forms of speed, travel and reflex? And on that ranged notion, Surfer can casually blow up planets. He did it to Ravenous just to teach him a lesson while when Worldbreaker Hulk did it he had to combine the attack with Red-She Hulk. Whether Hulk can or can't blow up planets by himself is irrelevant (though I believe he can) it was a dual feat. Surfer did this on his own and did so just to prove a point.

It is indeed a planet.

Hulk would have died after that attack with Red-She Hulk if I'm not mistaken and they only survived due to someone's wish. So Hulk is in no way durable enough to withstand multiple blasts from the Silver Surfer without being KO'd let alone killed if Surfer is bloodlusted.

As for the rest of the response regarding Planet Hulk, they were all hampered due to the disks with Surfer the most. However, even cheap shotting him at first, Hulk didn't react when he was in deadlock with Surfer and then Surfer was prepared to attack him again but Hulk was knocked back some distance with Surfer saying "good bye" then Hulk told the Warbound to shut up and get at it. The Warbound provided a distraction then Hulk caught Surfer flatfooted and then proceeded to pound on him breaking the obedience disk and Surfer got up almost immediately afterwards and freed everyone. In that fight Surfer could have killed Hulk at his own game in physical strength if not for the Warbound.

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#33 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17789 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@TheAcidSkull:

i never said he did, i said armaggedon defeated silver surfer by using PC against him , the only thing i can say is that neither armaggedon was able to completely drain WBH energy even though he was getting stronger as the hulk got mad since he was channeling his power, and rulk couldn't drain world war hulk ( not that rulk is anywhere near silver surfer) , thats all i've got

IIRC he defeated Silver Surfer and Hulk was like 15+ years ago, correct? If so, then I find it useless as Surfer has only gotten much stronger since then. From the looks of the scans you presented this guy wasn't draining Hulk, he was using Hulk's own power against him and Hulk's body naturally absorbs his gamma rays. It's like stealing solar energy from the sun then shooting it right back. Surfer's already manipulated an energy source when he could hardly stand that killed 2 Galactus level beings.

And Rulk is no Silver Surfer as far as energy manipulating draining goes so it really is pointless. Hulk is very rudimentary in manipulating his own energy and pales in comparison to Surfer's manipulative abilities. so I find saying SS can't drain Hulk or manipulate his energy away from him to be ridiculous.

But I'll say SS can't for debate purposes. Surfer tends to fight ranged, he isn't coming in close for Hulk all that often. So how is Hulk going to catch him exactly? Thunderclap? Leap at an opponent that is marginally faster in pretty much all forms of speed, travel and reflex? And on that ranged notion, Surfer can casually blow up planets. He did it to Ravenous just to teach him a lesson while when Worldbreaker Hulk did it he had to combine the attack with Red-She Hulk. Whether Hulk can or can't blow up planets by himself is irrelevant (though I believe he can) it was a dual feat. Surfer did this on his own and did so just to prove a point.

It is indeed a planet.

Hulk would have died after that attack with Red-She Hulk if I'm not mistaken and they only survived due to someone's wish. So Hulk is in no way durable enough to withstand multiple blasts from the Silver Surfer without being KO'd let alone killed if Surfer is bloodlusted.

As for the rest of the response regarding Planet Hulk, they were all hampered due to the disks with Surfer the most. However, even cheap shotting him at first, Hulk didn't react when he was in deadlock with Surfer and then Surfer was prepared to attack him again but Hulk was knocked back some distance with Surfer saying "good bye" then Hulk told the Warbound to shut up and get at it. The Warbound provided a distraction then Hulk caught Surfer flatfooted and then proceeded to pound on him breaking the obedience disk and Surfer got up almost immediately afterwards and freed everyone. In that fight Surfer could have killed Hulk at his own game in physical strength if not for the Warbound.

goddamn it you are good, well i guess that pretty much puts a cap in everything i said, i proved everything except i cant agree that ss will beat hulk if it was only physical means , he will put a good fight but if it was just fist to fist hulk would win, other than than you pretty much slaughtered me in this debate :)

#34 Posted by Spiderman22 (117 posts) - - Show Bio

WWH Have u ever read marvel zombies well zombie hulk bites off sufers head

#35 Posted by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull: Depends on the Hulk. Surfer vs Savage Hulk, Surfer has already shown he can block Hulk's punches in midair with out much difficulty or so it seemed. Base Surfer against WB Hulk, I would agree with you. But Surfer is also able to increase his strength to incalcuable levels via power cosmic so theoretically he can just keep matching Hulk at will. I say theoretically cause I can't recall an instance where he really needed to do it since he fights with mostly energy projection.

And thank you. I'll admit I learn a bit more and respect Hulk a bit more from you. I hope I did the same thing for you and Norrin.

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#36 Posted by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio

@Spiderman22 said:

WWH Have u ever read marvel zombies well zombie hulk bites off sufers head

Non-canon to the 616 so the point is irrelevant.

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#37 Posted by Spiderman22 (117 posts) - - Show Bio

God. Spawn to be honest I'm going for bulk in this 1 but in the marvel universe it was ridicule how they killed surfer and galactus i just wanted to have evidence that hulk beat surfer even in another universe

#38 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17789 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@TheAcidSkull: Depends on the Hulk. Surfer vs Savage Hulk, Surfer has already shown he can block Hulk's punches in midair with out much difficulty or so it seemed. Base Surfer against WB Hulk, I would agree with you. But Surfer is also able to increase his strength to incalcuable levels via power cosmic so theoretically he can just keep matching Hulk at will. I say theoretically cause I can't recall an instance where he really needed to do it since he fights with mostly energy projection.

And thank you. I'll admit I learn a bit more and respect Hulk a bit more from you. I hope I did the same thing for you and Norrin.

thank you too, i learn new things every day, i started to like herc thanks to cv and now i'm getting interested in ss too:)

#39 Posted by GhostRider2 (3279 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer.

#40 Posted by ChaoticSuperman (325 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer wins. Honestly Hulk loses and will always lose.

#41 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5008 posts) - - Show Bio

SS wins. He's way too powerful for a lot of characters on this site. Usually you have to be herald level or Skyfather to beat him.

#42 Posted by JohnnyWalker (821 posts) - - Show Bio

surfer. he only beat him that time because his powers were dampened.

#43 Posted by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio

@Spiderman22 said:

God. Spawn to be honest I'm going for bulk in this 1 but in the marvel universe it was ridicule how they killed surfer and galactus i just wanted to have evidence that hulk beat surfer even in another universe

Then make a case for Hulk using actual evidence. Other universal stuff has no merit so even mentioning it is useless. I can't think of anything short of Surfer standing there with his shiny little fists up that Hulk would beat him.

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#44 Posted by beyonder2012 (241 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: im a fan of both hulk and surfer.that was very informative.thanks

#45 Posted by God_Spawn (37568 posts) - - Show Bio

@beyonder2012: Glad I could help.

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#46 Posted by beyonder2012 (241 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: use seem to know your stuff.this doesn't pertain to this thread but i have a question.if surfer was to fight flash is it possible for surfer to drain the energy from the speed force??if so would he than be able to use the speed force??

#47 Posted by Man_of_Miracles (1525 posts) - - Show Bio

SS takes this one, too versatile for WBH.

#48 Posted by Scarlet_Spyder (119 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaoticSuperman said:

Silver Surfer wins. Honestly Hulk loses and will always lose.

This pretty much sums up this thread.

#49 Posted by JediXMan (30188 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer.

World Breaker Hulk - or any Hulk for that matter - is incredibly overrated.

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#50 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3445 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan

Surfer.

World Breaker Hulk - or any Hulk for that matter - is incredibly overrated.

No he is underrated. He still loses to surfer tho