Terminator has higher durability, which is pretty much the only thing that matters in this fight since they're both bricks and neither one has weapons that can blow the other away from the get-go (even if Nemesis has way more firepower). After several hours of beating the hell out of each other, Terminator wins.
@onilordasmodeus: It does work. I agree with you due to her speed and skills, but she still wasnt as strong or durable like a T-800, she could still die if shot or stabbed. Using Sarah Connor beating A T-800 isnt all that impressive either. She pressed a button and had the machine do the work for her. Nothing impressive. Its not like she crushed it with her hands. The T-800 beat the T-1000 and the T-X, two models who would tear Alice and Nemesis both a new hole.
T-800 beat T-1000 the way Sarah Connor beat T-800 and Alice beat Nemesis - using the environment. T-800 kamikazed to kill T-X.
@onilordasmodeus: It does work. I agree with you due to her speed and skills, but she still wasnt as strong or durable like a T-800, she could still die if shot or stabbed. Using Sarah Connor beating A T-800 isnt all that impressive either. She pressed a button and had the machine do the work for her. Nothing impressive. Its not like she crushed it with her hands. The T-800 beat the T-1000 and the T-X, two models who would tear Alice and Nemesis both a new hole.
T-800 beat T-1000 the way Sarah Connor beat T-800 and Alice beat Nemesis - using the environment. T-800 kamikazed to kill T-X.
@trollheim: im just trying to show these guys how there arguments are. The T-800 beat the T-1000 & The T-X the same way Sarah beat the T-800 might be so, but if people are going to bring up Sarah killing a T-800 and ignore the T-800s high feats, then i will go on about the T-800s high feats, which he has more than low feats.
I really get the feeling that you were going off only the high feats before any one introduced Sarah into the picture.
@orphancrippler: The waitress had to have a hydrolic Press do the work for her. Alice beat the shit out of Nemesis in a hallway, she would of broken her arms, fingers and her legs trying that on a T-800. Since Nemesis cant beat a girl h2h, it shows how weak he really is.
T-800 destroys.
Nemesis curbstomp cuz t-800 sucks donkey d*ick, there's really not much else to debate.
So we have trolls for trolls now? Both of ya need to give up the trolling.
Terminator has higher durability, which is pretty much the only thing that matters in this fight since they're both bricks and neither one has weapons that can blow the other away from the get-go (even if Nemesis has way more firepower). After several hours of beating the hell out of each other, Terminator wins.
Nemesis doesn't have the feats to hang with a T-800.
Terminator has demonstrated higher strength, durability and speed (if comics are used).
T-800 wins this one with ease.
No way. Nemmy is lightyears stronger and more durable, not to mention he has very potent regen to aid him. Hell I might even bet Nemesis has better reflexes. Admittedly that's going off the movies, not the comics.
I'm a bit rusty of my Resident Evil knowledge but isn't the Nemesis a Tyrant basically?
Tyrants are, in my opinion, more durable than a T-800.
Those guys are beastly.
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Not every Tyrant is the same, just like not every Terminator is the same. I'll admit I liked that movie though. Both of the RE canon spin-off movies were fun, I guess because I think Leon is a bad ass.
Well the OP says we are using a T-800 and Nemesis (a special Tyrant). I don't see why Nemesis wouldn't be capable of what the Tyrants did in the movie, since that is what all tyrants can do in general. Just like how the T-800 would apply to Arnie and the comic versions as well.
However, my knowledge on both topics are limited, so I could be wrong lol.
@omgomgwtfwtf: @trollheim: The Tyrant seen in Damnation is Mr. X. Nemesis is actually a modified and enhanced Mr. X, so in theory yeah, he could replicate everything seen in those clips.
@omgomgwtfwtf: @trollheim: The Tyrant seen in Damnation is Mr. X. Nemesis is actually a modified and enhanced Mr. X, so in theory yeah, he could replicate everything seen in those clips.
That is not Mr. X. That appears to be an offshoot of Mr. X. Mr. X doesn't have bullet proof skin, has an exposed heart, and isn't nearly that large.
However, your argument did bring up something interesting - Mr. X feats should be able to be used for Nemesis, including surviving full submersion in a vat of lava.
To be clear I'm not saying that Nemesis can't harm the T-800, it's completely destroying it that is the hard part. As long as it has a single limb attached its still a threat. Please post some Nemesis scans so we can get this debate rolling!
@omgomgwtfwtf: @trollheim: The Tyrant seen in Damnation is Mr. X. Nemesis is actually a modified and enhanced Mr. X, so in theory yeah, he could replicate everything seen in those clips.
That is not Mr. X. That appears to be an offshoot of Mr. X. Mr. X doesn't have bullet proof skin, has an exposed heart, and isn't nearly that large.
However, your argument did bring up something interesting - Mr. X feats should be able to be used for Nemesis, including surviving full submersion in a vat of lava.
The Tyrants seen in Damnation are the T-003 model, that much is confirmed. The exposed heart can just be attributed to different mutations, since Mr. X was chillin' in a smelting pool for about 20 minutes it makes sense he'd be a lot more damaged. He also was bullet proof as seen at the end of RE2 when Leon went to town on him with an entire arsenal, but failed to do any damage. It wasn't until Ada threw him the rocket launcher that Leon killed it.
The size difference was just an aesthetic effect I guess, I dunno, official lore gives no indication that the monster seen in Damnation was any different from the classic Mr. X.
To be clear I'm not saying that Nemesis can't harm the T-800, it's completely destroying it that is the hard part. As long as it has a single limb attached its still a threat. Please post some Nemesis scans so we can get this debate rolling!
@nickzambuto : Mr. X was taken out by a Stinger Missile. After doing some research (I was originally going to make a post questioning why the rocket launchers gotten progressively less intimidating over the franchise), it appears to have as much high explosive as the RPG-7, the "signature" rocket launcher from 4 onwards that Leon fires at the Tyrant in Damnation (which explains the switch, stinger missiles look cooler and are more American, but against BOWs it makes more sense to use something with just as much firepower that is significantly lighter and cheaper, as the targeting system isn't used at all). Admittedly, the rocket does not land a direct hit, however, it still appears to impact fairly close to the Tyrant and doesn't appear to cause any damage, superficial or otherwise.
It does piss him off and he makes the effort to deflect the second one, so there's some evidence that he might have felt threatened by it. Also, Mr. X's lava bath may have stripped off some of his defenses, making him vulnerable to the rocket launcher.
I'm not sure how I feel about using the Damnation Tyrants' feats for Nemesis. There is some support for the argument, but at the same time there are definitely some counter points.
As impressive as these scans are, there's really nothing that Nemesis couldn't or hasn't already accomplished himself. Smashing stone and metal is pretty standard fair for Tyrants, and though I admit an RPG is traditionally enough to kill them, I personally attribute that to PIS since it's very inconsistent with their other feats. Nemesis especially, is to this day still the most powerful T-Virus creation, and one of the most powerful creatures in the whole series. It's literally just an enhanced T-003 (Mr. X) infected with the Nemesis parasite for extra intelligence, making it anywhere up to a 30 tonner in strength, and nearly unkillable.
I actually had an entire reply typed up for you, but then Cadence went ahead and made a CAV for him and I to debate in. You can blame him for screwing you out of your debate :P
@nickzambuto : Mr. X was taken out by a Stinger Missile. After doing some research (I was originally going to make a post questioning why the rocket launchers gotten progressively less intimidating over the franchise), it appears to have as much high explosive as the RPG-7, the "signature" rocket launcher from 4 onwards that Leon fires at the Tyrant in Damnation (which explains the switch, stinger missiles look cooler and are more American, but against BOWs it makes more sense to use something with just as much firepower that is significantly lighter and cheaper, as the targeting system isn't used at all). Admittedly, the rocket does not land a direct hit, however, it still appears to impact fairly close to the Tyrant and doesn't appear to cause any damage, superficial or otherwise.
It does piss him off and he makes the effort to deflect the second one, so there's some evidence that he might have felt threatened by it. Also, Mr. X's lava bath may have stripped off some of his defenses, making him vulnerable to the rocket launcher.
I'm not sure how I feel about using the Damnation Tyrants' feats for Nemesis. There is some support for the argument, but at the same time there are definitely some counter points.
There's actually a load of difference between taking a direct shot from a missile, and just being exposed to the explosion. I'd actually argue it's PIS that Tyrants traditionally get taken out by rockets since they have high end feats that make it inconsistent, but hey I won't argue.
Doesn't Nemesis' standard gear include a big ass rocket launcher? 800 was blown in half with a homemade explosive. That buys Nemesis at least a few wins out of ten but I'm not convinced he takes a majority. Interesting battle here.
T-Veronica>G>C>T. Veronica was stated multiple times to be the best, and G's near immortality potential gives it the edge over C that only makes zombies. C needs to be directly injected into the body to make J'avo, which is the only reason it beats T, and despite Simmons being very powerful, that was an enhanced strain he was shot with.
Personally though the classic T will always be the coolest ^.^
@nickzambuto: But the C-Virus gives Hax regen (to heal from head shots which most virus don't allow) and the G-Virus is apart of the C-Virus their is HAOS who showed more Hax regen than almost any RE enemy like eva.
the virus can also be spammed in the air ^_^! or injected via fluids.
@nickzambuto: But the C-Virus gives Hax regen (to heal from head shots which most virus don't allow) and the G-Virus is apart of the C-Virus their is HAOS who showed more Hax regen than almost any RE enemy like eva.
the virus can also be spammed in the air ^_^! or injected via fluids.
Haos was created through extensive experimentation, not just getting jammed with the virus. So while that is a testament to the virus's power, I believe the T-Veronica virus and G-Virus pick up the slack in that anyone infected will instantly become uber powerful immortals, without the extended cultivation.
Birkin had hax regen on par with Simmons, and the T-Veronica was simply immune to damage entirely. Alexia was only killed because the special linear launcher used against her was specifically designed to take her down years in advance.
So I still believe G and T-Veronica are the two strongest virus's. It takes years to make one Haos, but in an instant, there can be an army of William Birkin's and Alexia Ashford's.
@nickzambuto: But the C-Virus gives Hax regen (to heal from head shots which most virus don't allow) and the G-Virus is apart of the C-Virus their is HAOS who showed more Hax regen than almost any RE enemy like eva.
the virus can also be spammed in the air ^_^! or injected via fluids.
Haos was created through extensive experimentation, not just getting jammed with the virus. So while that is a testament to the virus's power, I believe the T-Veronica virus and G-Virus pick up the slack in that anyone infected will instantly become uber powerful immortals, without the extended cultivation.
Birkin had hax regen on par with Simmons, and the T-Veronica was simply immune to damage entirely. Alexia was only killed because the special linear launcher used against her was specifically designed to take her down years in advance.
So I still believe G and T-Veronica are the two strongest virus's. It takes years to make one Haos, but in an instant, there can be an army of William Birkin's and Alexia Ashford's.
true, but C-Virus has better quality troops that can be made into high quantity
Ogroman's could take out several Birkin,Alexia,Ashfords with just its immense size alone and they don't lack much in the numbers department, not to mention J'avo have much greater intelligence and can pilot helicopters+tanks and use turrets to even the odds.
@nickzambuto: But the C-Virus gives Hax regen (to heal from head shots which most virus don't allow) and the G-Virus is apart of the C-Virus their is HAOS who showed more Hax regen than almost any RE enemy like eva.
the virus can also be spammed in the air ^_^! or injected via fluids.
Haos was created through extensive experimentation, not just getting jammed with the virus. So while that is a testament to the virus's power, I believe the T-Veronica virus and G-Virus pick up the slack in that anyone infected will instantly become uber powerful immortals, without the extended cultivation.
Birkin had hax regen on par with Simmons, and the T-Veronica was simply immune to damage entirely. Alexia was only killed because the special linear launcher used against her was specifically designed to take her down years in advance.
So I still believe G and T-Veronica are the two strongest virus's. It takes years to make one Haos, but in an instant, there can be an army of William Birkin's and Alexia Ashford's.
true, but C-Virus has better quality troops that can be made into high quantity
Ogroman's could take out several Birkin,Alexia,Ashfords with just its immense size alone and they don't lack much in the numbers department, not to mention J'avo have much greater intelligence and can pilot helicopters+tanks and use turrets to even the odds.
But like I said, Ogroman, much like Haos, are created through further experimentation after injecting the virus. The C-virus on it's own just creates zombies and J'avo. G and Veronica on the other hand, just stick whoever with a needle and bam, powerful monster.
@nickzambuto: but the Orgoman is actually a mass of J'avo mutated together (we see this when it hatches in the air craft carrier) besides the C-Virus has a better and faster infection rate than the G and T (C can go air borne) in Lanshiang Chine just one C-Bomb spreaded the virus faster than the T-Virus ever could
(C-Virus also infects faster)
While the T and G virus can make uber troops most lack the control the C-Virus gives and the most powerful C-Virus monsters are better than the most powerful g's and t's
In my opinion
C-Virus is good for the long run while T- and -G are good for the short run.
@nickzambuto: but the Orgoman is actually a mass of J'avo mutated together (we see this when it hatches in the air craft carrier) besides the C-Virus has a better and faster infection rate than the G and T (C can go air borne) in Lanshiang Chine just one C-Bomb spreaded the virus faster than the T-Virus ever could
(C-Virus also infects faster)
While the T and G virus can make uber troops most lack the control the C-Virus gives and the most powerful C-Virus monsters are better than the most powerful g's and t's
In my opinion
C-Virus is good for the long run while T- and -G are good for the short run.
@nickzambuto: but the Orgoman is actually a mass of J'avo mutated together (we see this when it hatches in the air craft carrier) besides the C-Virus has a better and faster infection rate than the G and T (C can go air borne) in Lanshiang Chine just one C-Bomb spreaded the virus faster than the T-Virus ever could
(C-Virus also infects faster)
While the T and G virus can make uber troops most lack the control the C-Virus gives and the most powerful C-Virus monsters are better than the most powerful g's and t's
In my opinion
C-Virus is good for the long run while T- and -G are good for the short run.
@nickzambuto: but the Orgoman is actually a mass of J'avo mutated together (we see this when it hatches in the air craft carrier) besides the C-Virus has a better and faster infection rate than the G and T (C can go air borne) in Lanshiang Chine just one C-Bomb spreaded the virus faster than the T-Virus ever could
(C-Virus also infects faster)
While the T and G virus can make uber troops most lack the control the C-Virus gives and the most powerful C-Virus monsters are better than the most powerful g's and t's
In my opinion
C-Virus is good for the long run while T- and -G are good for the short run.
Uroboros All the way.
lol no
Eh, it does not matter, T-800 still wins this match!
@nickzambuto: but the Orgoman is actually a mass of J'avo mutated together (we see this when it hatches in the air craft carrier) besides the C-Virus has a better and faster infection rate than the G and T (C can go air borne) in Lanshiang Chine just one C-Bomb spreaded the virus faster than the T-Virus ever could
(C-Virus also infects faster)
While the T and G virus can make uber troops most lack the control the C-Virus gives and the most powerful C-Virus monsters are better than the most powerful g's and t's
In my opinion
C-Virus is good for the long run while T- and -G are good for the short run.
You didn't like Revelations huh? I thought it was a good return to classic-style gameplay and all the monsters were recognizable but had a thematic aesthetic consistent with other T-Abyss creatures (aside from the classic BOWs like Cerberus and Hunters). My only gripes about the game are that the Raid Mode is inferior to Mercenaries (it was an interesting concept, but didn't work that well for that game), and that the dodge mechanics were awful. I suppose the underwater segments were kind of gimmicky as well.
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