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#1 Posted by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio

- Both teams have 3 days prep, morals are off

- Battle take place on indestructible Earth

- Who wins and why?

JUSTICE LEAGUE

1) Alan Scott with Starheart

2) Hal Jordan as Parallax

3) Jim Korrigan Spectre

4) Bloodlusted Wally West

5) HoG Ion

6) Silver Age Superman

AVENGERS

1) Scarlet Witch most powerful version

2) Chaos War Hercules

3) Rune King Thor

4) Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange

5) Void

6) Captain America with Infinity gauntlet

#2 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian: no surfer? oh well i still think Avengers should take this

#3 Posted by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian: no surfer? oh well i still think Avengers should take this

He's too weak for these opponents :D

#4 Posted by Enzeru (2954 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't this like Captain America with the Infinity Gauntlet and Chaos War Hercules versus HoG Ion?
I say Marvel wins. Overall more powerful beings in the team.

#5 Posted by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio

@enzeru said:

Isn't this like Captain America with the Infinity Gauntlet and Chaos War Hercules versus HoG Ion?

I say Marvel wins. Overall more powerful beings in the team.

I'm not sure, but I think that everybody here is universal level except Herc, Ion and Spectre.

#6 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560 said:

@bigcimmerian: no surfer? oh well i still think Avengers should take this

He's too weak for these opponents :D

fair enough. with three days prep (do they have info on each other) if they dont imagine strange will put shields up and a few other things with Scarlet Witch's help it'll be a blast. if they do Strange will probably have a way to stop wally. Herc, Thor, and Void are the extreme muscle. Void can take SA Supes. HoM SW (this is the strongest scarlet witch) can probably take Scott. Chaos War Herc could go after Ion (dont know how well hed do but thats ok) RK thor could take Hal Parallax or Spectre and CA with IG could finish off whos left

#7 Posted by dondave (37362 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally takes IG from Captain America

#8 Posted by patrat18 (9754 posts) - - Show Bio

team 1

#9 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally and Supes solo

#10 Posted by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Captain America have ANY feats with the IG?

#11 Posted by homicidalmaniac (7588 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18: Same being that lost Anti Monitor

#12 Edited by _Cerberus_ (3448 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2 stomps IG is over powered.

#13 Posted by homicidalmaniac (7588 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Edited by BullPR (892 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

- Both teams have 3 days prep, morals are off

- Battle take place on indestructible Earth

- Who wins and why?

JUSTICE LEAGUE

1) Alan Scott with Starheart

2) Hal Jordan as Parallax

3) Jim Korrigan Spectre

4) Bloodlusted Wally West

5) HoG Ion

6) Silver Age Superman

AVENGERS

1) Scarlet Witch most powerful version

2) Chaos War Hercules

3) Rune King Thor

4) Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange

5) Void

6) Captain America with Infinity gauntlet

Why did you include this one?

Cap never had the Infinity gauntlet. The others members of the two teams are real incarnations of the different characters. Is it not a little bit against the consistence of your own thread to have Cap with the IG?

However, during SWII, PR tried to help the avengers, even creating a costume to look like a super-hero.

Replace this Cap that never existed and replace him with PR Beyonder., and now we have a party!

:-)

#15 Edited by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

@homicidalmaniac Eh, Wally at full speed + boodlusted can remove Cap's gauntlet, kill Strange and Scarlet Witch before they react, then IMP Herules a couple of times in a matter of seconds, while Superman takes on Rune King Thor and mops up Hercules. The Void would pose a problem, though.

#16 Posted by _Cerberus_ (3448 posts) - - Show Bio

@bullpr said:

@bigcimmerian said:

- Both teams have 3 days prep, morals are off

- Battle take place on indestructible Earth

- Who wins and why?

JUSTICE LEAGUE

1) Alan Scott with Starheart

2) Hal Jordan as Parallax

3) Jim Korrigan Spectre

4) Bloodlusted Wally West

5) HoG Ion

6) Silver Age Superman

AVENGERS

1) Scarlet Witch most powerful version

2) Chaos War Hercules

3) Rune King Thor

4) Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange

5) Void

6) Captain America with Infinity gauntlet

Why did you include this one?

Cap never had the Infinity gauntlet. The others members of the two teams are real incarnations of the different characters. Is it not a little bit against the consistence of your own thread to have Cap with the IG?

However, during SWII, PR tried to help the avengers, even creating a costume to look like a super-hero.

Replace this Cap that never existed and replace him with PR Beyonder., and now we have a party!

:-)

or replace him with Spiderman (he's used the IG or had it in his possession before)

#17 Posted by homicidalmaniac (7588 posts) - - Show Bio

@iheartzombies92: DC/Marvel team have prep time and Marvel can slow time down where Wally is a turtle or they try to take away the Speed Force from Wally.

#18 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

@homicidalmaniac Sure, they do have prep time, but 0.000001 picoseconds into the battle, before anyone on Marvel's team can even think of doing anything, Wally would be ahead.

#19 Posted by BullPR (892 posts) - - Show Bio

@bullpr said:

@bigcimmerian said:

- Both teams have 3 days prep, morals are off

- Battle take place on indestructible Earth

- Who wins and why?

JUSTICE LEAGUE

1) Alan Scott with Starheart

2) Hal Jordan as Parallax

3) Jim Korrigan Spectre

4) Bloodlusted Wally West

5) HoG Ion

6) Silver Age Superman

AVENGERS

1) Scarlet Witch most powerful version

2) Chaos War Hercules

3) Rune King Thor

4) Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange

5) Void

6) Captain America with Infinity gauntlet

Why did you include this one?

Cap never had the Infinity gauntlet. The others members of the two teams are real incarnations of the different characters. Is it not a little bit against the consistence of your own thread to have Cap with the IG?

However, during SWII, PR tried to help the avengers, even creating a costume to look like a super-hero.

Replace this Cap that never existed and replace him with PR Beyonder., and now we have a party!

:-)

or replace him with Spiderman (he's used the IG or had it in his possession before)

Really?

When the stories involving the original IG were published, I was reading almost all the comics around them (at least I was trying to do so).

I don't remember seeing Spiderman with it.

Thanos, obviously, Nebula, Adam, SS in a What if issue and that's it.

If I missed one (or several) episodes, I would love to know which ones and the ref of them (if possible, of course).

#20 Posted by homicidalmaniac (7588 posts) - - Show Bio

@iheartzombies92: They know what they are fighting.They would have force field and they would destroy half the multiverse in this fight.Course they would know how fast Wally is.

#21 Edited by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@iheartzombies92 said:

@homicidalmaniac Sure, they do have prep time, but 0.000001 picoseconds into the battle, before anyone on Marvel's team can even think of doing anything, Wally would be ahead.

you do realize the power of doctor strange right? with Prep and the Power that he has he can put plenty of shields up that can protect from wallys IMP. Thanos with the Infinity gauntlet was afraid of Doc Strange. and unfortunately i dont know if cap knows how to use the IG but if he does he can use the time and space orb to slow Wally down enough where Strange or Wanda takes him out. and that you know strange at this level has his soul protected by eternity. he literally beats death. and is told that he never has to fear it again

#22 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure CW Hercules could solo, if not the rest of his team would insure a victory.

#23 Posted by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm forced to go with Team JLA because of zero feats for Captain America w/ IG.

#24 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm forced to go with Team JLA because of zero feats for Captain America w/ IG.

Avengers don't even need Caps to win this fight, besides I thought the power from the IG is from the IG, not the user (like say a GL ring with will power). If I"m wrong on that someone chime in please.

#25 Posted by BullPR (892 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton said:

I'm forced to go with Team JLA because of zero feats for Captain America w/ IG.

Avengers don't even need Caps to win this fight, besides I thought the power from the IG is from the IG, not the user (like say a GL ring with will power). If I"m wrong on that someone chime in please.

No you're right.

That's why nebula was able to win against the combined attack of the abstracts (a sentence in the battle was something like: "even the dumbest person in the Universe would win this fight")

For me the real issue is that I'm sot sure that there is a Cap America with IG

#26 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

@bullpr said:

@green_skaar said:

@willpayton said:

I'm forced to go with Team JLA because of zero feats for Captain America w/ IG.

Avengers don't even need Caps to win this fight, besides I thought the power from the IG is from the IG, not the user (like say a GL ring with will power). If I"m wrong on that someone chime in please.

No you're right.

That's why nebula was able to win against the combined attack of the abstracts (a sentence in the battle was something like: "even the dumbest person in the Universe would win this fight")

For me the real issue is that I'm sot sure that there is a Cap America with IG

Thanks! Also since there is prep, CW Hercules or RKT just yank the damn IG from Caps and tell him to stay home for the fight!

#27 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

@iheartzombies92 said:

@homicidalmaniac Sure, they do have prep time, but 0.000001 picoseconds into the battle, before anyone on Marvel's team can even think of doing anything, Wally would be ahead.

you do realize the power of doctor strange right? with Prep and the Power that he has he can put plenty of shields up that can protect from wallys IMP. Thanos with the Infinity gauntlet was afraid of Doc Strange. and unfortunately i dont know if cap knows how to use the IG but if he does he can use the time and space orb to slow Wally down enough where Strange or Wanda takes him out. and that you know strange at this level has his soul protected by eternity. he literally beats death. and is told that he never has to fear it again

@iheartzombies92: They know what they are fighting.They would have force field and they would destroy half the multiverse in this fight.Course they would know how fast Wally is.

Yes, of course they can achieve all of that, but surely the shields going up/slowing down time would require conscious thought, and if Wally can travel faster than thought, he can outrun them performing those actions? I mean, they couldn't do that before the fight began, could they? Would slowing down time count as preparation, or an offensive manoeuvre that is only allowed once the battle has begun? Anyway, even if Superman and Wally can't solo, I still think that the Justice League wins.

#28 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (4331 posts) - - Show Bio

interesting. will reply back to this soon.....

#29 Edited by homicidalmaniac (7588 posts) - - Show Bio

@iheartzombies92: Half of the Marvel Team are Multiverse level.They can do anything to Wally West in the given 3 days.Superman and Wally couldn't beat the Void and King Rune Thor.They are on near Galactus level which Wally and SA Superman can't beat on that level.

#30 Posted by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio

@bullpr said:

@bigcimmerian said:

- Both teams have 3 days prep, morals are off

- Battle take place on indestructible Earth

- Who wins and why?

JUSTICE LEAGUE

1) Alan Scott with Starheart

2) Hal Jordan as Parallax

3) Jim Korrigan Spectre

4) Bloodlusted Wally West

5) HoG Ion

6) Silver Age Superman

AVENGERS

1) Scarlet Witch most powerful version

2) Chaos War Hercules

3) Rune King Thor

4) Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange

5) Void

6) Captain America with Infinity gauntlet

Why did you include this one?

Cap never had the Infinity gauntlet. The others members of the two teams are real incarnations of the different characters. Is it not a little bit against the consistence of your own thread to have Cap with the IG?

However, during SWII, PR tried to help the avengers, even creating a costume to look like a super-hero.

Replace this Cap that never existed and replace him with PR Beyonder., and now we have a party!

:-)

You are wrong, Captain America had Infinity Gauntlet for several minutes, this happened few months ago in Avengers comics, Iluminati gathered all gems and formed the Gauntlet and decided that Cap is the best person among them to wield it.

#31 Posted by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Posted by WillPayton (9443 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton said:

I'm forced to go with Team JLA because of zero feats for Captain America w/ IG.

Avengers don't even need Caps to win this fight, besides I thought the power from the IG is from the IG, not the user (like say a GL ring with will power). If I"m wrong on that someone chime in please.

Ok, I guess that's true... although I still think that the person using it makes a difference.

In any case, I still cant decide... the IG is by far the most powerful person/thing on team Avengers, but it has to face off against the Spectre, Parallax, and ION.

I really cant decide, but leaning towards the JLA team.

#33 Posted by IRS (455 posts) - - Show Bio

Can we get a final ruling on Cap with that gauntlet? That's going to make the difference imo. Otherwise I see it being a close fight, JlA leaning on Spectre, but could go either way.

#34 Edited by BullPR (892 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigcimmerian said:

You are wrong, Captain America had Infinity Gauntlet for several minutes, this happened few months ago in Avengers comics, Iluminati gathered all gems and formed the Gauntlet and decided that Cap is the best person among them to wield it.

Thanks+++ for the info, I didn't read that.

I guess the Avengers would win in these conditions. As stated above, even Nebula became nearly omnipotent when wearing the IG.

#35 Edited by cfrehse (1004 posts) - - Show Bio

@bullpr: Cap used the infinity gauntlet in secret avengers recently

EDIT- My bad saw somebody else responded to you

#36 Posted by BullPR (892 posts) - - Show Bio

@cfrehse said:

@bullpr: Cap used the infinity gauntlet in secret avengers recently

Yes, just read @bigcimmerian post about it too. Thanks to you also. The IG should have disappeared from the Marvel Multiverse a long time ago. Not sure I want to read the recent issues with it.

#37 Edited by theONEtaichou (1526 posts) - - Show Bio

The Avengers are strong... but I will give it to the League.

good day

#38 Posted by eisjfiejss (513 posts) - - Show Bio

I would lean toward the JLA team. Ion, Parallax, Spectre, and Alan with Starheart are the big players on JLA team. Cap with infinity gauntlet, Chaos War Herc, and possibly Scarlet Witch are the major players on Marvel. I think the JLA team has the edge.

Ion alone could duplicate himself and fight all other members of the Avengers simultaneously. The only one he would have trouble with is Cap, but Spectre and Parallax should be able to handle Cap. The thing is JLA has more high-end reality warpers than Avengers. Marvel only has 2 but JLA has 4.

#39 Edited by HolySerpent (12537 posts) - - Show Bio

Its basiaclly Zero Hour Parallax and Hand of God Ion vs Chaos War Hercueles the rest are non factors.

#40 Edited by i_like_swords (14283 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Captain America have ANY feats with the IG?

I can't recall exactly but he used it to prevent an incursions (or prolong it happening), but he also broke the Infinity Gauntlet. It's safe to say he isn't the best with it..

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#41 Posted by The_Red_Viper (4167 posts) - - Show Bio

...no Fernus? :(

#42 Posted by thanosii (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

Being realistic DC has no one who has a multiversal feat. This is a curb stomp for Marvel

Wanda is omniversal

Void is multiversal if you consider he is stronger than Owen

CW Hercules is multiversal

IG captain is multiversal

How is this even fair

#43 Edited by eisjfiejss (513 posts) - - Show Bio

@holyserpent said:

Its basiaclly Zero Hour Parallax and Hand of God Ion vs Chaos War Hercueles the rest are non factors.

I don't think Corrigan Spectre and the IG are nonfactors.

@thanosii said:

Being realistic DC has no one who has a multiversal feat. This is a curb stomp for Marvel

Wanda is omniversal

Void is multiversal if you consider he is stronger than Owen

CW Hercules is multiversal

IG captain is multiversal

How is this even fair

The worst arguments I see on this site is "blah blah blah is omniversal/multiversal, so blah blah blah wins". Fact is that besides the IG and Wanda none of the other characters have displayed reality warping powers. You can't defeat someone omnipresent (Ion) without the ability to warp reality. The only reason you say the Avengers win is via a bunch of statements that have barely any basis at all.

Also, saying Corrigan Spectre is not multiversal is one of the most ridiculus things I've heard.

#44 Posted by robertloucksjr (1747 posts) - - Show Bio

@holyserpent said:

Its basiaclly Zero Hour Parallax and Hand of God Ion vs Chaos War Hercueles the rest are non factors.

I don't think Corrigan Spectre and the IG are nonfactors.

@thanosii said:

Being realistic DC has no one who has a multiversal feat. This is a curb stomp for Marvel

Wanda is omniversal

Void is multiversal if you consider he is stronger than Owen

CW Hercules is multiversal

IG captain is multiversal

How is this even fair

The worst arguments I see on this site is "blah blah blah is omniversal/multiversal, so blah blah blah wins". Fact is that besides the IG and Wanda none of the other characters have displayed reality warping powers. You can't defeat someone omnipresent (Ion) without the ability to warp reality. The only reason you say the Avengers win is via a bunch of statements that have barely any basis at all.

Er, CW Hercules recreated, way more impressive than destroying, the multiverse, which is way above anything HM Wanda did. I don't know anything about IG Captain America.

#45 Posted by HolySerpent (12537 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanosii said:

Being realistic DC has no one who has a multiversal feat. This is a curb stomp for Marvel

Wanda is omniversal

Void is multiversal if you consider he is stronger than Owen

CW Hercules is multiversal

IG captain is multiversal

How is this even fair

You havee no idea what your talking about.

The IG gauntlet only works in one universe. And where are getting void being a multiversal threat he is not. Your just making stuff up as you go

#46 Posted by HolySerpent (12537 posts) - - Show Bio

@eisjfiejss: the spectre is powerful but is below Hand of God Ion in power. The IF Gauntlet on only works in one universe

#47 Posted by Enzeru (2954 posts) - - Show Bio

The IG gauntlet only works in one universe.


Didn't the Infinity Gauntlet beat a bunch of Abstracts (and few of them were multiversal)?

@killemall knows more!

#48 Posted by eisjfiejss (513 posts) - - Show Bio

@eisjfiejss said:

@holyserpent said:

Its basiaclly Zero Hour Parallax and Hand of God Ion vs Chaos War Hercueles the rest are non factors.

I don't think Corrigan Spectre and the IG are nonfactors.

@thanosii said:

Being realistic DC has no one who has a multiversal feat. This is a curb stomp for Marvel

Wanda is omniversal

Void is multiversal if you consider he is stronger than Owen

CW Hercules is multiversal

IG captain is multiversal

How is this even fair

The worst arguments I see on this site is "blah blah blah is omniversal/multiversal, so blah blah blah wins". Fact is that besides the IG and Wanda none of the other characters have displayed reality warping powers. You can't defeat someone omnipresent (Ion) without the ability to warp reality. The only reason you say the Avengers win is via a bunch of statements that have barely any basis at all.

Er, CW Hercules recreated, way more impressive than destroying, the multiverse, which is way above anything HM Wanda did. I don't know anything about IG Captain America.

Wrong. CW Herc can recreate all the multiverses in the world and it still doesn't show he has any offensive fighting capability.

@eisjfiejss: the spectre is powerful but is below Hand of God Ion in power. The IF Gauntlet on only works in one universe

I only said Spectre is powerful. Never said he's more powerful than Ion. I agree that Ion displayed greater power and authority than Spectre in a general sense, but that doesn't mean Spectre is a nonfactor in this fight.

#49 Posted by SlimJ87D (9902 posts) - - Show Bio

@bullpr said:

@bigcimmerian said:

- Both teams have 3 days prep, morals are off

- Battle take place on indestructible Earth

- Who wins and why?

JUSTICE LEAGUE

1) Alan Scott with Starheart

2) Hal Jordan as Parallax

3) Jim Korrigan Spectre

4) Bloodlusted Wally West

5) HoG Ion

6) Silver Age Superman

AVENGERS

1) Scarlet Witch most powerful version

2) Chaos War Hercules

3) Rune King Thor

4) Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange

5) Void

6) Captain America with Infinity gauntlet

Why did you include this one?

Cap never had the Infinity gauntlet. The others members of the two teams are real incarnations of the different characters. Is it not a little bit against the consistence of your own thread to have Cap with the IG?

However, during SWII, PR tried to help the avengers, even creating a costume to look like a super-hero.

Replace this Cap that never existed and replace him with PR Beyonder., and now we have a party!

:-)

You are wrong, Captain America had Infinity Gauntlet for several minutes, this happened few months ago in Avengers comics, Iluminati gathered all gems and formed the Gauntlet and decided that Cap is the best person among them to wield it.

He actually did use the IG in New Avengers this year to try and push a Universe that was going to run into our Universe. He pushed it back for a bit, but not enough and that's how the IG got busted.

#50 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

@enzeru:

The iG is among the three highest things ever seen in the marvel U. It is surely multiversal and it trumps everything else here easy so marvel wins, even if u combine a bunch of people like ion and ZH parrallax they still won't matter, thanos pawned all the universal and multiversal entities at the same time.