A unbound specter and fuly backed by The Presence would be no diferent then LT. Specter is the avenging hand of The Presence. But he does not have the feats to back this thing up that is why i said in theory.
they are being who practically share the same roles in their respective Universes.. the Spectre in known as the Right hand of God while the Living Tribunal is established to only take others from The One Above All.. but then, the Tribunal has lot more showings than the Spectre..
plus they are allies.. both granted the power to serve as the Guardians of their respective Universes..
" they are being who practically share the same roles in their respective Universes.. the Spectre in known as the Right hand of God while the Living Tribunal is established to only take others from The One Above All.. but then, the Tribunal has lot more showings than the Spectre.. plus they are allies.. both granted the power to serve as the Guardians of their respective Universes..
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Those scans are from the non-canon Marvel vs DC.
Living Tribunal is orders of magnitude more powerful than the Spectre.
I have read about Spectre a bit, and to me he doesn't seem as impressive as the Living Tribunal. Even with backing he still manages to lose, it appears. Once was in COIE where he failed to defeat the Anti-Monitor with backing from The Presence. Another time where Spectre looked embarrassing was when Mxy defeated him by crushing a planet on top of his head. I'm going with the Living Tribunal here.
"they are being who practically share the same roles in their respective Universes.. the Spectre in known as the Right hand of God while the Living Tribunal is established to only take others from The One Above All.. but then, the Tribunal has lot more showings than the Spectre.. plus they are allies.. both granted the power to serve as the Guardians of their respective Universes..
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Untrue. And that is not canon, DC vs Marvel. I really would not use or go by that series as testament. Spectre was just the highest being they could use in that series. Spectre is not the right hand of god, he's his angel of vengeance, and deals in punishing the guilty. Spectre does not judge the omniverse or even other realities. They are not only vastly different in roles, but in power. Spectre being backed by the presence, as far as I know, has only hapend once, and that was in COIE, and he still couldn't take down the AM, but that might have also partly been due to his human host. I always found that kinda ironic, and silly, everyone always saying that Spectre backed by the Presence is a force to be reckoned with. That's not Spectre. Anyone backed by the Presence can be a force to be reckoned with, so that's not Spectre. That's not different than saying Thanos backed by TOAA with Hotu. That's an upgrade/artifact. If Spectre can't do it on his own and people need to resort to stating that being backed by the Presence makes him invincible, it does not, you only need to look at COIE, and the fact that he needs help/backing, while LT does not, should tell you right there. That's another thing that seperates them dramatically, LT needs no host, exists in every single universe similtainously and is the judge of all under/for TOAA. Spectre is most mostly earth bound, and judges souls. Judge of realities>judge of souls.
And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe.
" THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!! And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "
" THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!! And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "
They could of used Lucifer "
Yeeeeah, but Lucifer isn't exactly recognized by the main continuity, and I doubt Lucifer would be much concerned by the destruction of the universe. Of course, if it was made now, Nix Uotan would be the obvious choice.
"THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!! And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "
QFT!!! There never has been as far as I know? Again, it all stemmed from COIE when he asked for help, but not even really sure in what form that help was given, as it was not particular stated how, other than he had the Presence backing. Other than the Presence giving Spectre the confidence to do what he needed to do, not sure if there really was a power increase. So, to quote AtPhantom again: THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!! There never really has been, and that is not the Spectre fighting in the battle if people try to use this analogy. Again, no difference to Thanos using upgrades like Hotu or IG, to be fair.
true.. I've miss those flaws of the Spectre.. but i you ask me, i think DC should power him up and make him their counter part of the Living Tribunal.. like how they created the Entity which is a clear counterpart of the Phoenix.. maybe these are hyperbole but they still do reflect the power of the Spectre..
so more or else, i do agree with you guys.. even at his strongest, he still didn't managed to defeat the Anti-Monitor.. if it is due to his host, well i honestly don't know.. so i guess the Tribunal wins this one..
" @AtPhantom: What's Nix's greatest feat anyway? I've seen only a few of him in FC. Ok back on topic. I go with LT. "
That's about all there is of him. He doesn't have feats, but as sole remaining Monitor and the with the title "Judge of all evil", Nix fits the role Living Tribunal has.
@lord_oraculous016: Making the Spectre a counterpart to Living Tribunal would defeat his purpose. He's the spirit of vengeance, not the balancer of multiversal forces. The scan you posted does show nicely how insanely powerful he is though.
This is like this: currently, The Spectre is just the spirit of vengeance who can easily be slain by the Spear of Destiny. But, if The Presence makes him what he truly is, if he becomes The Primal-Spectre force, who is the Right Hand of God in all realities, who is equal or not more powerful than Michael or Lucifer, then he has the same power as the Living Tribunal.
" THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!! And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "
They could of used Lucifer
He's a vertigo character, and generally doesn't get used or reside in the regular DCU. LT is above Spectre, in powers and position. Spectre is about Vengeance, I don't see that trumping LT's much higher position authority, judging entire universes/realities, and having the ability to erase them with a thought. Sorry Spec.
This is like this: currently, The Spectre is just the spirit of vengeance who can easily be slain by the Spear of Destiny. But, if The Presence makes him what he truly is, if he becomes The Primal-Spectre force, who is the Right Hand of God in all realities, who is equal or not more powerful than Michael or Lucifer, then he has the same power as the Living Tribunal.
But he's not, and never has been. It's statements like these, if Spectre had this, if Spectre was backed by the Presence, if he had this, he could do this, and that!!! The Primal Spectre-Force???? Sorry, that is fan based at it's best lol there is no primal spectre force!! He is who he is, get over it, and move on, he's just not as powerfull as you and alot of others would like him to be, end of story!! Let me say this, if Thanos had the IG, he could defeat the Spectre ;-)
" THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!! And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "
They could of used Lucifer
He's a vertigo character, and generally doesn't get used or reside in the regular DCU. LT is above Spectre, in powers and position. Spectre is about Vengeance, I don't see that trumping LT's much higher position authority, judging entire universes/realities, and having the ability to erase them with a thought. Sorry Spec.
Vertigo is part of DC multiverse and Lucifer and Michael are multiversal beings.
@ssejllenrad:none...ur a nut....its a stalemate ..since ppl are saying LT has more feats..i dnt know how..where...spectre too has feats...maybe even more..
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