#1 Posted by KNIGHT SAVIOR (778 posts) - - Show Bio

who is most powerful being any universe
#2 Posted by capall (8130 posts) - - Show Bio

neither of them, however LT does win here
#3 Posted by xan84 (4108 posts) - - Show Bio

This was done before. Teoreticaly they should be about the same in power but LT has better feats so he wins.
#4 Posted by Assman (1875 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
"neither of them, however LT does win here "
 
yes 

@Xan said:
"This was done before. Teoreticaly they should be about the same in power but LT has better feats so he wins. "

Yes. No. Yes
#5 Posted by Shattered007 (1417 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
" neither of them, however LT does win here "
#6 Posted by crabtree (1613 posts) - - Show Bio

lt wins

#7 Posted by xan84 (4108 posts) - - Show Bio


Assman

 

A unbound specter and fuly backed by The Presence would be no diferent then LT. Specter is the avenging hand of The Presence. But he does not have the feats to back this thing up that is why i said in theory.

#8 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio

they are being who practically share the same roles in their respective Universes.. the Spectre in known as the Right hand of God while the Living Tribunal is established to only take others from The One Above All.. but then, the Tribunal has lot more showings than the Spectre..

plus they are allies.. both granted the power to serve as the Guardians of their respective Universes..



#9 Posted by Baldy (4914 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016 said:
" they are being who practically share the same roles in their respective Universes.. the Spectre in known as the Right hand of God while the Living Tribunal is established to only take others from The One Above All.. but then, the Tribunal has lot more showings than the Spectre..
plus they are allies.. both granted the power to serve as the Guardians of their respective Universes..

"
Those scans are from the non-canon Marvel vs DC.
 
Living Tribunal is orders of magnitude more powerful than the Spectre.
#10 Posted by A Touch of Class (ATC) (569 posts) - - Show Bio

 I have read about Spectre a bit, and to me he doesn't seem as impressive as the Living Tribunal. Even with backing he still manages to lose, it appears. Once was in COIE where he failed to defeat the Anti-Monitor with backing from The Presence. Another time where Spectre looked embarrassing was when Mxy defeated him by crushing a planet on top of his head. I'm going with the Living Tribunal here.

#11 Posted by Assman (1875 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016 said:
"they are being who practically share the same roles in their respective Universes.. the Spectre in known as the Right hand of God while the Living Tribunal is established to only take others from The One Above All.. but then, the Tribunal has lot more showings than the Spectre..
 
plus they are allies.. both granted the power to serve as the Guardians of their respective Universes..

 
"
 
Untrue. And that is not canon, DC vs Marvel.  I really would not use or go by that series as testament.  Spectre was just the highest being they could use in that series.  Spectre is not the right hand of god, he's his angel of vengeance, and deals in punishing the guilty.  Spectre does not judge the omniverse or even other realities.  They are not only vastly different in roles, but in power.   Spectre being backed by the presence, as far as I know, has only hapend once, and that was in COIE, and he still couldn't take down the AM, but that might have also partly been due to his human host.  I always found that kinda ironic, and silly, everyone always saying that Spectre backed by the Presence is a force to be reckoned with. That's not Spectre.  Anyone backed by the Presence can be a force to be reckoned with, so that's not Spectre.  That's not different than saying Thanos backed by TOAA with Hotu. That's an upgrade/artifact.  If Spectre can't do it on his own and people need to resort to stating that being backed by the Presence makes him invincible, it does not, you only need to look at COIE, and the fact that he needs help/backing, while LT does not, should tell you right there.  That's another thing that seperates them dramatically, LT needs no host, exists in every single universe similtainously and is the judge of all under/for TOAA.  Spectre is most mostly earth bound, and judges souls.  Judge of realities>judge of souls.
#12 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!! 
 
And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe.

#13 Posted by Shattered007 (1417 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom said:
" THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!!   And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "
They could of used Lucifer
#14 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
@Shattered007 said:
" @AtPhantom said:
" THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!!   And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "
They could of used Lucifer "
Yeeeeah, but Lucifer isn't exactly recognized by the main continuity, and I doubt Lucifer would be much concerned by the destruction of the universe. Of course, if it was made now, Nix Uotan would be the obvious choice.
#15 Posted by Assman (1875 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom said:

"THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!!   And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "



QFT!!! There never has been as far as I know? Again, it all stemmed from COIE when he asked for help, but not even really sure in what form that help was given, as it was not particular stated how, other than he had the Presence backing. Other than the Presence giving Spectre the confidence to do what he needed to do, not sure if there really was a power increase.  So, to quote AtPhantom again: THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!!     There never really has been, and that is not the Spectre fighting in the battle if people try to use this analogy.  Again, no difference to Thanos using upgrades like Hotu or IG, to be fair.
#16 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio

true.. I've miss those flaws of the Spectre.. but i you ask me, i think DC should power him up and make him their counter part of the Living Tribunal.. like how they created the Entity which is a clear counterpart of the Phoenix.. maybe these are hyperbole but they still do reflect the power of the Spectre..


so more or else, i do agree with you guys.. even at his strongest, he still didn't managed to defeat the Anti-Monitor.. if it is due to his host, well i honestly don't know.. so i guess the Tribunal wins this one..
#17 Posted by ssejllenrad (12790 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom: What's Nix's greatest feat anyway? I've seen only a few of him in FC. 
 
Ok back on topic. I go with LT.
#18 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:
" @AtPhantom: What's Nix's greatest feat anyway? I've seen only a few of him in FC.  Ok back on topic. I go with LT. "
That's about all there is of him. He doesn't have feats, but as sole remaining Monitor and the with the title "Judge of all evil", Nix fits the role Living Tribunal has.
 
@lord_oraculous016:
Making the Spectre a counterpart to Living Tribunal would defeat his purpose. He's the spirit of vengeance, not the balancer of multiversal forces. The scan you posted does show nicely how insanely powerful he is though.
#19 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom:  i get your point.. and thanks..
#20 Posted by ___Living_Tribunal_22__ (387 posts) - - Show Bio

This is like this: currently, The Spectre is just the spirit of vengeance who can easily be slain by the Spear of Destiny. But, if The Presence makes him what he truly is, if he becomes The Primal-Spectre force, who is the Right Hand of God in all realities, who is equal or not more powerful than Michael or Lucifer, then he has the same power as the Living Tribunal. 
#21 Edited by Primebonnick (2909 posts) - - Show Bio

The writers messed up Spectre's awesomeness to me he had so much to offer. LT wins this

#22 Posted by Amazingoctus (3117 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to say The Living Tribunal
#23 Posted by lordraiden (7601 posts) - - Show Bio
@Shattered007 said:
@AtPhantom said:
" THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!!   And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "
They could of used Lucifer
He's a vertigo character, and generally doesn't get used or reside in the regular DCU.  LT is above Spectre, in powers and position.  Spectre is about Vengeance, I don't see that trumping LT's much higher position authority,  judging entire universes/realities, and having the ability to erase them with a thought.  Sorry Spec.
#24 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7162 posts) - - Show Bio

LT holds a megaverse (millions of Multiverses) in each hand and Judges them. Spectre's got nothing!
#25 Posted by lordraiden (7601 posts) - - Show Bio
@___Living_Tribunal_22__ said:
This is like this: currently, The Spectre is just the spirit of vengeance who can easily be slain by the Spear of Destiny. But, if The Presence makes him what he truly is, if he becomes The Primal-Spectre force, who is the Right Hand of God in all realities, who is equal or not more powerful than Michael or Lucifer, then he has the same power as the Living Tribunal. 
But he's not, and never has been.  It's statements like these, if Spectre had this, if Spectre was backed by the Presence, if he had this, he could do this, and that!!! The Primal Spectre-Force???? Sorry, that is fan based at it's best lol  there is no primal spectre force!!  He is who he is, get over it, and move on, he's just not as powerfull as you and alot of others would like him to be, end of story!!  Let me say this, if Thanos had the IG, he could defeat the Spectre ;-)
#26 Posted by BigCimmerian (8833 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordraiden said:

@Shattered007 said:
@AtPhantom said:
" THERE IS NO BACKING OF THE PRESENCE!!!!! And the Spectre is not equal to the tribunal. The DC/Marvel crossover only paired them because DC has nothing close to the living tribunal in function in its universe. "
They could of used Lucifer
He's a vertigo character, and generally doesn't get used or reside in the regular DCU. LT is above Spectre, in powers and position. Spectre is about Vengeance, I don't see that trumping LT's much higher position authority, judging entire universes/realities, and having the ability to erase them with a thought. Sorry Spec.

Vertigo is part of DC multiverse and Lucifer and Michael are multiversal beings.

#27 Posted by Saren (25058 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal. Why was this bumped?

Moderator
#28 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

the living tribunal stomps

#29 Posted by TDK_1997 (15059 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal has better feats

#30 Posted by jameshebrew (763 posts) - - Show Bio

impossible to tell who wins

#31 Posted by thanobomb1124 (2020 posts) - - Show Bio

LT

#32 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (26848 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Living Tribunal. Why was this bumped?

#33 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal

#34 Posted by Yumwum (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow cool

#35 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal wins. The only being more powerful than the Living Tribunal is the One Above All.

#36 Posted by nickzambuto (14882 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Hulk could take em both.

#37 Posted by joshuagamer (630 posts) - - Show Bio

Spectre and tribunal tie

#38 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal.

#39 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

they're essentially equal i believe

so stalemate

however i've heard he has superiors other than the presence

micheal & lucifer ect.

#40 Posted by emperorznb (1669 posts) - - Show Bio

@X_insignia1 said:

they're essentially equal i believe

so stalemate

however i've heard he has superiors other than the presence

micheal & lucifer ect.

Those are Spectre's superiors. He got stomped by Michael when Spectre tried to ask why God is missing. Or so I recall...

#41 Posted by Malevolent1 (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

Corrigen's potential as the Spectre was virtually unlimited.

The Living Tribunal trumps by feats.

LT for the win.

#42 Posted by ssejllenrad (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone who says Spectre is either a troll, a fanboy/girl, a dumb*ss or a collection of all three.

#43 Posted by kidThunder (70 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad:none...ur a nut....its a stalemate ..since ppl are saying LT has more feats..i dnt know how..where...spectre too has feats...maybe even more..

#44 Posted by Nerx (15087 posts) - - Show Bio

Tribunal has less low showing, for a 'wrath of god' he sure is impotent

I mean in blackest night he had his face flayed by scarecrow and there is that infamous 'bad' moment when he got the batkick to the face

#45 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx:

batman didn't actually hurt the spectre, spectre allowed it.

on topic: LT stomps

#46 Posted by Nerx (15087 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Posted by ssejllenrad (12790 posts) - - Show Bio
#48 Posted by Nerx (15087 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: I gots it, and spectre just lets it be (huge misconception). But jobbering alot lowers ther credibility of that mighty being

thanks for the link btw

#49 Posted by Sideslash (5918 posts) - - Show Bio

Tribunal is more powerful, going by feats.

#50 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6445 posts) - - Show Bio

What about Unbound Spectre?