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#1 Edited by SHAZAM117 (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't find this in the search, so here goes....

VS

No Morals, to the death

Shredder has his forearm blades, steel spear/bo staff and a knife.

Ra's is armed with a Ninja katana, forearm guards and a couple of shuriken.

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#2 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

No takers huh?!

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#3 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

Movie Shredder took down all 4 of the turtles pretty easy, so probably him.

#4 Posted by PerfectNazo (163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde said:

Movie Shredder took down all 4 of the turtles pretty easy, so probably him.

#5 Posted by Shawnbaby (10869 posts) - - Show Bio

Shredder pretty much Stomps. Ra's had his hands full just dealing with Nolan-verse Bruce...who wouldn't last 15 seconds against any of the Turtles.

#6 Posted by throughmyeyez (501 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

Shredder pretty much Stomps. Ra's had his hands full just dealing with Nolan-verse Bruce...who wouldn't last 15 seconds against any of the Turtles.

Nothing the turtles could due could hurt batmans suit. It was able to take hits from Bane, who was damn powerful. Raz Al Gul is a better fighter than both, he takes this

#7 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's.

#8 Posted by cameron83 (7643 posts) - - Show Bio

ra's......i am sure the leader of assassins who trained nolan batman can take down shredder,who fights turtles....oh im sorry,teenage MUTANT NINJA turtles

#9 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@PerfectNazo said:

@Moonchilde said:

Movie Shredder took down all 4 of the turtles pretty easy, so probably him.

I believe he did it one at a time, the only instance I remember more than one attacking him he got slashed on the arm.

#10 Posted by Shawnbaby (10869 posts) - - Show Bio

@throughmyeyez said:

@Shawnbaby said:

Shredder pretty much Stomps. Ra's had his hands full just dealing with Nolan-verse Bruce...who wouldn't last 15 seconds against any of the Turtles.

Nothing the turtles could due could hurt batmans suit. It was able to take hits from Bane, who was damn powerful. Raz Al Gul is a better fighter than both, he takes this

That has nothing to do with Skill. Nice attempt at a Straw Man though. Shredder kills Ra's pretty easily. Ra's only feats were against Bruce...who as I already mentioned...is less of a fighter than any one of the Turtles...and Shredder was able to beat all 4 of them at the same time with little difficulty.

#11 Posted by throughmyeyez (501 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@throughmyeyez said:

@Shawnbaby said:

Shredder pretty much Stomps. Ra's had his hands full just dealing with Nolan-verse Bruce...who wouldn't last 15 seconds against any of the Turtles.

Nothing the turtles could due could hurt batmans suit. It was able to take hits from Bane, who was damn powerful. Raz Al Gul is a better fighter than both, he takes this

That has nothing to do with Skill. Nice attempt at a Straw Man though. Shredder kills Ra's pretty easily. Ra's only feats were against Bruce...who as I already mentioned...is less of a fighter than any one of the Turtles...and Shredder was able to beat all 4 of them at the same time with little difficulty.

It is skill, raz al gul went up against a former padawan of his, who was protected in a suit that was able to tank hits from bane, who could crush concrete. That is insane fighting abilitity buddy, the turtles are far to slow to fight against someone like Raz, and weak.

#12 Posted by Shawnbaby (10869 posts) - - Show Bio

@throughmyeyez said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@throughmyeyez said:

@Shawnbaby said:

Shredder pretty much Stomps. Ra's had his hands full just dealing with Nolan-verse Bruce...who wouldn't last 15 seconds against any of the Turtles.

Nothing the turtles could due could hurt batmans suit. It was able to take hits from Bane, who was damn powerful. Raz Al Gul is a better fighter than both, he takes this

That has nothing to do with Skill. Nice attempt at a Straw Man though. Shredder kills Ra's pretty easily. Ra's only feats were against Bruce...who as I already mentioned...is less of a fighter than any one of the Turtles...and Shredder was able to beat all 4 of them at the same time with little difficulty.

It is skill, raz al gul went up against a former padawan of his, who was protected in a suit that was able to tank hits from bane, who could crush concrete. That is insane fighting abilitity buddy, the turtles are far to slow to fight against someone like Raz, and weak.

Shredder has far better Combat feats than Ra's. His speed and skill make Ra's look like one of Shredder's little teenaged posse. Buddy.

#13 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

That has nothing to do with Skill. Nice attempt at a Straw Man though. Shredder kills Ra's pretty easily. Ra's only feats were against Bruce...who as I already mentioned...is less of a fighter than any one of the Turtles...and Shredder was able to beat all 4 of them at the same time with little difficulty.

When did Shredder beat them all at the same time?

#14 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2796 posts) - - Show Bio

Each turtle took turns fighting him..if you remember I believe Michelangelo and Donny played rock paper scissors to see who goes third..that said based off of the movie versions I think ra's would most likely win....shredder would just run at him with a spear and Ra's would side step and toss him off a building into a garbage truck, and Casey jones would finish him off

#15 Posted by cattlebattle (13398 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Shredder was more impressive physically at least.
 
  

#16 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3575 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle said:

I think Shredder was more impressive physically at least.

He's using their legs against themselves. That's hilarious!

#17 Posted by cattlebattle (13398 posts) - - Show Bio
@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning: I have no idea if it was intentional by the film makers but thats actually a very well made fight scene....the Turtles are fighting more aggressively and flashy because of youth and arrogance and Shredder is just very stoic and wastes no movement.......its quite awesome now that I watch it as an adult
#18 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle:

So very similar to Bruce's fight with Ra's on the ice?

#19 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

Ras

#20 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

Shredder didn't lose his bout with the turtles on the roof top, while Ra's did get bested twice by bruce...Once on the ice and again on the train fight scene (tho the train fight is more of a debatable loss)....but I guess an argument could be made that Bruce is better than all four turtles going by his h2h feats? IDK..

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#21 Posted by Fortified_Hooligan (1982 posts) - - Show Bio

Think about the turtle's combat feats vs batman's. Turtles were more or less facing foot army in the middle of an open battle. usually an isolated turtle against like 6 foot soldiers at a time. Batman rarely faced that many opponents, and even more rarely in a strait up brawl. he would hit them with the smoke bomb, or jump them from the shadows. it only makes sense for him to do that, as it was intended, i think, to be a more realistic vision of how to take down a bunch of guys at once, which is something you would have a very hard time doing in reality. Turtles were taking down multiple ninjas who knew they were there, and ready to fight. Shredder beats each turtle individually, then the four of them rush him and he beats them again. Ra's had his hands full with Bale-man one on one. Shredder beat tougher foes. Shredder wins.

#22 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fortified_Hooligan....to be fair though, there was the dock scene in Batman Begins when Batman dropped down on like ten guys and took them all out by himself, though they weren't trained Ninjas like the Foot Clan, but still impressive....I guess judging Bruces skill level to the Turtles to get a level of difficulty either Ra's or Shredder had to go thru is kinda difficult....if any of that makes sense

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#23 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117 said:

Shredder didn't lose his bout with the turtles on the roof top, while Ra's did get bested twice by bruce...Once on the ice and again on the train fight scene (tho the train fight is more of a debatable loss)....but I guess an argument could be made that Bruce is better than all four turtles going by his h2h feats? IDK..

Shredder faced them one at a time, Ra's beat Bruce clearly the first time (Bruce was left freezing) and the second time at the very least fought him to a draw (with Batman wearing armor and having gadgets) before Bruce left him to die.

#24 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fortified_Hooligan said:

Think about the turtle's combat feats vs batman's. Turtles were more or less facing foot army in the middle of an open battle. usually an isolated turtle against like 6 foot soldiers at a time. Batman rarely faced that many opponents, and even more rarely in a strait up brawl. he would hit them with the smoke bomb, or jump them from the shadows. it only makes sense for him to do that, as it was intended, i think, to be a more realistic vision of how to take down a bunch of guys at once, which is something you would have a very hard time doing in reality. Turtles were taking down multiple ninjas who knew they were there, and ready to fight. Shredder beats each turtle individually, then the four of them rush him and he beats them again. Ra's had his hands full with Bale-man one on one. Shredder beat tougher foes. Shredder wins.

The foot ninjas displayed nothing that would put them as a threat for Batman, not to mention that Bruce was stated as having been trained to engage multiple opponents at the same time (which he did throughout the films). Shredder beating the Turtles one at a time isn't impressive, they weren't thinking clearly and didn't work as a team (their trademark).

#25 Posted by PerfectNazo (163 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman should be the equivalent of one or two Turtles at best judging by their feats.

But then again, I don't really remember much from the Batman movies. Was Batman dodging bullets in the movies? I don't remember the movie Turtles ever dodging bullets, in fact, in the third movie they were scared to death of Walker pointing a gun at them and they had no idea what to do from there.

#26 Posted by Fortified_Hooligan (1982 posts) - - Show Bio

Remember Raphael getting beat on the roof? anyone have that clip? How many foot soldiers did he take out before they finally overwhelmed him? Think of that, more or less, as a turtle's baseline. In open combat, surrounded by enemies, not using stealth or environmental advantages, one turtle = like, what, 30 footsoldiers? Can Bale-man stand out in the open and fight 30 thugs and do as well? Bale-man triumphs by surprise attack. I don't fault him for that, i just say that is an assasin's tactic, and the turtles are brawlers (at least this version of the turtles). Shred-head smacked four brawlers with great skill.

#27 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fortified_Hooligan:

Nolan's Batman wearing his suit should be able to beat more than 30 thugs easily.

#28 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15...Watch that roof top fight again from the 1st TMNT...There is one point when all four of them blitz Shredder and then the scene cuts...then cuts back to them with Shredder still standing and the four of them looking worse-for-wear..He took them all one by one and then all together, we just never got to see it when after they all charged him.

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#29 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde said:

Movie Shredder took down all 4 of the turtles pretty easy, so probably him.

This.

Movie Shredder beat every turtle one on one... That never happens to the turtles, but hes done it...

Shredder stomps easily...

#30 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

@TERMINATORXX...True, but a good argument could be made for Ra's...He beat Bruce whom also was able to engage multi opponents just by himself...just sayin'

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#31 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117:

I did watch the scene and what I saw was the Turltes going one on one with Shredder. Maybe I'm watching a different video.

#32 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15....There's a point when all four of them charge him and the scene all of a sudden cuts to Casey Jones or somethin' like that...we just never get to see what happens cause then the scene returns and and they're all worn down

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#33 Posted by GR2Blackout (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

SHREDDA WINS

#34 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117:

I know what part you are referring to but we can't just assume that they went at him at the same time when throughout the rest of the fight it was one on one, plus right after it comes back to the Turtles they are fighting Shredder one at a time, each of them.

#35 Posted by PerfectNazo (163 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117 said:

@Xanni15....There's a point when all four of them charge him and the scene all of a sudden cuts to Casey Jones or somethin' like that...we just never get to see what happens cause then the scene returns and and they're all worn down

I forgot about that scene. I guess that proves Shredder can fight all four of them at once.

But my question about Batman dodging bullets hasn't been answered by any one yet. Has Batman ever dodged bullets in the movies? The Turtles haven't, in fact when Walker from the 3rd film pointed a gun at them they had no idea what to do next.

#36 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@PerfectNazo:

How does that rove he can or even did take them all on at once?

#37 Posted by PerfectNazo (163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15: Well, I think it's safe to assume that all four Turtles did attack him all at once. It'd be a little stupid if all four of them just charged at him and suddenly just stopped with the exception of just one of them...

#38 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@PerfectNazo:

That's essentially what they were doing the rest of the fight, though.

#39 Posted by Yai_Inn (352 posts) - - Show Bio
@PerfectNazo: they did dodge a cannon at point blank :)  
If it's most powerful versions, or all movie versions Shredder in Secret of the Ooze went Super-Shredder and would effortless stomp.  
In fact I think Shredder takes Ra's with little effort as is.  
 
Here's the Raf clip someone asks for.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmlmM9CPoE4
#40 Posted by PerfectNazo (163 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15: I don't see how that effects the fact that they did indeed charge at him all at once, and in the next scene where they appear all four of them looked worn down. This very very heavily implies that Shredder did indeed fight all four of them at once at that point.

#41 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@PerfectNazo:

The video I just watched shows it differently than you describe. They charge towards the camera, scene goes to Casey Jones then when it comes back Shredder is fighting them one at a time. After that it shows the Turtles being worn down. Also the video shows the Turtles have very little to no durability because Shredder wasn't hitting them with much.

#42 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

@PerfectNazo...Yeah I don't remember Batman dodging any bullets in ANY of the Batman films either....either way, both Ra's and Shredder seem closely matched in terms of skill and technique...Anyway I figured trying to compare their best opponents they each faced would be a good way to judge how a fight between these two would go down

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#43 Posted by Owie (3964 posts) - - Show Bio

I think I have to go with Shredder, although R'as FEELS tougher.

#44 Posted by Fortified_Hooligan (1982 posts) - - Show Bio

You think Bale-man can take 30 thugs in a strait up fight? Just wade in and start kicking ass? I don't think he could. He could beat them with his regular batman tactics, picking off the guys on the edges from the shadows, beating down 5 or 6 in the haze of a smoke bomb then disappearing again etc...

#45 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

Liam Neeson does not lose ever

#46 Posted by NerdsFTW (3732 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde said:

Movie Shredder took down all 4 of the turtles pretty easy, so probably him.

#47 Posted by onilordasmodeus (2635 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle: I have to agrees with you, the first TMNT movie is a classic, I loved it back then and I love it now. Shredder's movements in that fight were sharp, crisp, and all kinds of awesome, and the turtles all fought with their own distinct personality as well.

For me, Shedder FTW. It would be a good fight though.
#48 Posted by cartoonluvr (23 posts) - - Show Bio

very close fight but the spear has reach and ras seemed like and up close brawler...shredder

#49 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

@cartoonluvr....I gave Ra's a Katana cause he seemed really skilled with it against Bruce in the ice scene in Batman Begins...Also the fact that despite Shredders' spear and defense, Leo was the only one to really tag Shredder with his Katana

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#50 Posted by cliffrice (1015 posts) - - Show Bio

The fight with batman at the end of batman begains was more like a sloppy brawl IMO. Shreader seems much more skilled.