The Saiyans VS. Broly,Janemba and Hirudegarn

Majin Vegeta and SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku and Mystic Gohan

VS.

Janemba,Hirudegarn,and LSSJ Broly(movie 10)

mystic gohan solos.

@julyiscool

Depends. Is this the manga versions of SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku and Gohan or the Toei versions. The reason I ask is because Goku was given a super Hax in movie 13, and Gohan and Gotenks were reduced to nothing but fodder, despite them actually being stronger than Goku. In any case, the saiyans should still win. Goku one shots Hirudegarn with his haxed DF whilst Gohan and Gotenks curbstomp Broly and Jenemba.

Majin Vegeta is not needed.

@gxrevolution96: That outcome isn't right at all. Broly is above SSJ3 by feats. Janemba can stomp an SSJ3. Hirudegan is the second weakest. But Gohan comes third in the weakest. He is below SSJ3. Goku never got to fight base Super Buu as an SSJ3. If he did he would have done the same thing that Gohan did to him. The Z Fighters will win via Gogeta. That's the only way.

Did you really just say Gohan is the weakest? Mystic Gohan is considered one of the strongest characters in Dragonball Z by the creator of the series.... (Long time lurker literally forced into making an account by that comment...)

But if we are going by manga, the villain team wins due to the fact Brolly cannot be classed as far as power level and neither can Janemba, who would definitely be defeated by Gogeta / Vegetto if it happens.. Hildegarn would most likely get stomped by Gotenks though.

@mee09

Broly is above SSJ3 by feats

What has Broly demonstrated that puts him even remotely close to SSJ3 Goku

Janemba can stomp an SSJ3.

He is superior to SSJ3 Goku, yes.

He is below SSJ3. Goku never got to fight base Super Buu as an SSJ3. If he did he would have done the same thing that Gohan did to him.

And this is based on?

The Z Fighters will win via Gogeta. That's the only way.

Except that all the characters listed can beat the villains, except for Vegeta of course. He is a non-factor/

@gxrevolution96: SSJ3 Goku would have been hurt by a full power SSJ Kamehameha. Broly wasn't even phased by it. He couldn't scratch or move Broly. Broly was so fast that the combined speed of all of those Z-Fighters couldn't even tag Broly while he was effortlessly dodging their attacks. Broly wasn't even remotely trying and they still couldn't tag him. An SSJ2 Gohan was humiliated by Broly. Completely and utterly. He was running away the entire time and screaming for his life. In every game that Broly has been in. He has been on SSJ4 level. Budokai 3 and the Tenkaichi games confirm this. In Budokai 3 the characters transformations are relative to their canon levels of power. When Broly transforms into an LSSJ. He has just about the same amount of life and power bars that an SSJ4 has. In the Tenkaichi games. It is almost the same as Budokai 3 in regards to life bars. But Broly is clearly superior to every SSJ3 in the game.

vegeta and broly are irrelevant and die in the crossfire.

the movie logic seems to think janemba > goku > hirudegarn > gohan.

so janemba can potentially solo without breakign a sweat. unless goku and vegeta become gogeta.

SSJ3 Goku would have been hurt by a full power SSJ Kamehameha.

lol no. ssj2 gohan batted away perfect cell's full power attacks

He couldn't scratch or move Broly.

he cant scratch or move ssj2 kid gohan either

Broly was so fast that the combined speed of all of those Z-Fighters couldn't even tag Broly while he was effortlessly dodging their attacks

again not too hard to do for ssj2 tiers

In every game that Broly has been in. He has been on SSJ4 level.

games arent canon to anything and if your good enough. mr satan beats super saiyans

@uft: SSJ2 characters are not Galaxy level beings like Broly was. And need I remind you what Broly did to an SSJ2? Honestly whoever started the whole thing where Broly was weaker than Cell needs to slap himself out of orbit. You guys do not even see how powerful Broly really is because of it. He was arguably the strongest non-fused character in Z before Battle of The Gods. The games confirmed this. And news flash. Broly isn't canon.

If Mark beats a Sayian it's because Akira wants him to. Hercule is Akira's favorite character in Z.

@mee09

SSJ3 Goku would have been hurt by a full power SSJ Kamehameha.

This is completely baseless

An SSJ2 Gohan was humiliated by Broly.

A weak SSJ2 Gohan, who was not only much weaker than Goku and Vegeta, but weaker than his Kid self.

Completely and utterly. He was running away the entire time and screaming for his life.

You mean before he physically overpowers Broly's and breaks free of his grip, and subsequently kicks him in the face.

In every game that Broly has been in. He has been on SSJ4 level. Budokai 3 and the Tenkaichi games confirm this. In Budokai 3 the characters transformations are relative to their canon levels of power. When Broly transforms into an LSSJ. He has just about the same amount of life and power bars that an SSJ4 has. In the Tenkaichi games. It is almost the same as Budokai 3 in regards to life bars. But Broly is clearly superior to every SSJ3 in the game.

The games have no relevance here. They are not even canon to the story and do not reflect the characters power. They are merely for entertainment purposes and ££££££. SSJ4 doesn't even exist and is also non-canon.

SSJ2 characters are not Galaxy level beings like Broly was

You cant use Broly's feat as a basis for him being the strongest character in the franchise, canon or non-canon. If we were to abide by that particular logic(going solely of feats), then Master Roshi>>>>Tien, Krillin and Yamcha, which we all know isn't true. Broly is high tier SSJ2 at best and just surpasses SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta. There is nothing that puts any higher than that. You could even push him as far as Base Gotenks, but that is where it stops ,completely. SSJ3 Gotenks, Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Goku and Gogeta/Vegetto would all decimate Broly.

@julyiscool

Am I correct in assume that this is SSJ Broly and not LSSJ Broly? I justice noticed the picture.

@gxrevolution96: sorry meant LSSJ Broly either way i see him dying first

Agreed

@gxrevolution96: Everything that you just typed makes absolutely no sense. Broly is clearly superior to all of the villains in this thread. He destroyed the South Galaxy. You are just believing in that Broly low-balling nonsense. I know that Broly is not invincible. Anyone on Gogeta's level can obliterate him with a fully charged attack. SSJ3 Goku would not have been able to man-handle SSJ2 Gohan like Broly did. You are saying that an fully charged SSJ Kamehameha that had enough power in it to destroy a large amount of planets wont hurt an SSJ3 Goku that has been hurt by far less?

@julyiscool: *facpalms* You guys seriously have no idea how powerful Broly is do you?

No one in the thread has enough power to do this except Broly.

@mee09: everyone in these heroes are stronger then broly he isn't even ssj3 level and as for ssj3 goku not decimating gohan. Before u say stuff get ur facts straight ssj3 goku took a punch from fat buu and it did nothing meanwhile gohan coudnt touch fat buu and gohan did land some hits against broly

@julyiscool: Broly would play soccer with Fat-Buu! Fat-Buu has done NOTHING on Broly's level of power on panel. Gohan didn't land any hits on Broly besides the ones Broly let Gohan have. And he didn't even feel them. Once Broly went LSSJ it was no longer a fight. It was an SSJ2 Gohan trying to run for his life.

@mee09: and I suppose ur gonna say broly is stronger than mystic gohan

I'm going to give this one to the saiyans.

Inb4 it happens.

@julyiscool: Mystic Gohan isn't even above SSJ3 Goku. The ONLY reason people said that back then. Was because no one really payed attention to Z back then (a lot of the people on this site). No one did actual research on the characters or their power levels. No one took the hints they were giving off in the games seriously (Broly having 3 or more life and power bars than Gohan). And Akira didn't do very many interviews or at least the were not released onto the internet. Now we've got outright confirmations of these kinds of things and a lot of the Z fan-base are in forums. The only ones that could POSSIBLY still think that Mystic Gohan is the most powerful character in Z are the ones who have not done any research.

@sinntek1: Have you even seen the official power levels of these characters? Broly's is much higher than SSJ3 Goku's in the first freaking movie.

@mee09: The way ur talking broly is stronger than bills. Listen SSJ3 Goku is WAY AHEAD of broly So is fat buu. Gohan ate buu for breakfast gohan gave buu so much power they had to fuse to VEGITO to kill him and yes vegito is also stronger than broly

Broly is clearly superior to all of the villains in this thread. He destroyed the South Galaxy.

inconsistent feat as he clearly cant replicate it on a whim, and by powerscaling, anyone who is above his level can do the same thing.

fighting and powerscaling matters, not DC.

d SSJ Kamehameha that had enough power in it to destroy a large amount of planets wont hurt an SSJ3 Goku that has been hurt by far less?

what was he hurt by thats far less than the power of a cell era ssj1?

SSJ3 Goku would not have been able to man-handle SSJ2 Gohan like Broly did.

yes he could have. kid boo slaughtered ssj2 vegeta with greater ease than what broly did, to the weaker gohan. yet seemed to be fairly equal to a bloodlusted goku.

SSJ2 characters are not Galaxy level beings like Broly was

but the half dead ssj1s who defeated broly are? broly died by having his ass shoved into a sun. just one sun. so thats pretty bad durability for a galaxy buster eh?

And need I remind you what Broly did to an SSJ2?

the weakest ssj2

He was arguably the strongest non-fused character in Z before Battle of The Gods. The games confirmed this. And news flash. Broly isn't canon.

the games arent canon to the movies. they are their own self contained canon. as most games are.

strongest non fused character in Z before BoG was buuhan because absorbing isn't fusing. and if you count the films, itd be janemba close behind buuhan

Have you ever actually watched the series or read the manga? Just to be fair and point the finger back in your court. Akira Toiryama flat out said Mystic Gohan is one of the strongest characters in the entirety of the series. Why? He doesnt run out of stamina like an SSJ3 Goku without the hack he was given in the movie. Since we're on the topic though, you are saying Brolly is stronger than Super Saiyan 3? That is probably the only correct thing you've said asides from information based on the game. Brolly has an unlimited power level according to the movie. Other than that nothing you have said has had any validity in the manga or TV show. You are also using Tenkaichi in your argument. Which is another laugh in itself...

@mee09

Everything that you just typed makes absolutely no sense. Broly is clearly superior to all of the villains in this thread. He destroyed the South Galaxy.

As I said, the logic you are tying to apply makes no sense. Brolying destroying Galaxy does not put him above the villains. Master Roshi is moon buster. By feats he is>>>>>Krillin, Yamcha and Tien, which we know isn't true. By feats, Kid Buu>>Vegetto because he was shown to one shot planets with ease. You cant go entirely off feats in DBZ.

You are just believing in that Broly low-balling nonsense

I am not lowballing at all. I am just going by what has been shown. If I was lowballing, then I would be arguing that Broly is weaker than SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta, which a lot of Broly haters tend to do.

SSJ3 Goku would not have been able to man-handle SSJ2 Gohan like Broly did.

Not only is this statement baseless but completely false. SSJ3 Goku is worlds beyond any SSJ2. The Ki from the form can be felt as far as the Kai world. There is literally no comparison. SSJ2 Gohan was marginally weaker than SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta, and he still managed to overpower Broly. A fact you are ignoring. Another you are ignoring is that Broly was overpowered by two SSJs and a SSJ2 during the beam struggle.

Additionally, there is the fact that no one put but Buu and Jenemba, pushed Goku to SSJ3. Goku and Pikkon fought Broly fought Broly in hell in the pervious movie when he makes this statement.

You are saying that an fully charged SSJ Kamehameha that had enough power in it to destroy a large amount of planets wont hurt an SSJ3 Goku that has been hurt by far less?

Your logic is fault. Ki blasts are unqauntiifble and the power behind them cannot be based on size and collateral damage alone. Roshi one shotted the moon. Going by your logic, Roshi can hurt a SSJ3 Goku.

You do realise that nearly everyone by the Frieza can one shot planets, don't you.

@sinntek1: I know right

@julyiscool: XD Don't Bring Beerus into this! Now I know you don't know what you are talking about. Akira recently confirmed that Beerus is a Universe Buster in a recent interview. No one here stands a chance in hell against him.

@Mee09: just like toriyama said mystic gohan is one of the strongest non fused dbz characters

@uft: Everything that you have said... Is completely invalid. I already know you've never seen any of these characters official power levels otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. In the first movie Broly's power level is even higher than SSJ3 Goku's was in Battle of the Gods. It's a lot higher actually. Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku's power level is significantly lower than Battle of The God SSJ3 Goku's power level which you seem to believe would one-shot Broly which isn't happening. The ignorance in this thread is off the charts. It's like you guys are stuck in 2007.

@julyiscool: One of and is are two completely different things. Broly out right IS the most strongest non-fused character in Z before Battle of The Gods. He was the only non-fused character in Z to be a Universal threat (keep in mind that being a Universal threat does not equate to being able to destroy a Universe like Bills) until Kid Buu came around and that may have been a miss-translation in the manga.

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@Mee09: goku said he was never pushed this far by anyone else and this was after broly

@julyiscool: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_power_levels Look at this page. It is filled with official and canon power levels of everyone here. You all (the ones who think Broly is massively below SSJ3 or the once overrated Mystic Gohan) NEED to look at it because you all have no idea what you are talking about.

Broly's power level in the first movie was 1,400,000,000. You want to know what SSJ3 Goku's was? 1,200,000,000.

@mee09: yeah and what's mystic gohan

@julyiscool: Goku has said a lot of things. Honestly that does not matter when the creator and creators of the series and their official power levels say otherwise. Plus you have to take into account the circumstances of which he fought Buu and Broly in. And the fact that Broly wasn't even canon.

You do realise that the wiki is fan site and is an unreliable source of information. Moreover, there no official power levels after the Frieza saga. Any numbers that are found on the internet are just made up.

@gxrevolution96: You do realize that creators of Z have backed up the site before (because they use information from V-Jump and the guys that created the power levels for Z) and that the power levels of the people in this thread are true? Lol you can find a lot of those power levels in the magazines that Akira has backed up. Don't give me that. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and you don't know how to compare feats or correctly power scale. You are stuck in 2007.

@perethorn: Lol because Mystic Gohan is going to be able to take on someone that stomped SSJ3 Goku (Janemba).

@mee09: Mystic Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku

@perethorn: Considering Janemba was literally toying with SSJ3 Goku you can say the exact same for him too. Second. There is literally no proof that Mystic Gohan is above SSJ3 Goku. NONE. If anything Mystic Gohan is more or less powerful than an SSJ3.

SSJ3 Goku outright admitted that he had could have easily disposed of Kid Buu right of the bat. But he didn't because he wanted to give Vegeta a chance to fight. Remember that? Kid Buu was weaker than Super Buu for sure. But not by as much as you might think. SSJ3 Goku is still more powerful than base Super Buu.

@mee09: Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku (Goku admitted he can't beat him, even at his base form) and Mystic Gohan was trashing him.

Super Buu must be around Janemba's level.

@perethorn: Read my previous post. Super Buu is not on Janemba's level. It took Gogeta to stop him. Janemba would have demolished Mystic Gohan. Super Buu would only win by absorbing him. Janemba was not smart. And no Goku did not admit that AT ALL about base Super Buu. That was Gohan absorbed Buu. Remember when Gotenks-Absorbed Buu's fusion ran out? When that happened even with a severely weakened and beat Mystic Gohan he said they they could take out Super Buu that had absorbed Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks. Why is that? Because SSJ3 Goku is clearly more powerful than Super Buu that had absorbed Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks. Which means he is more powerful than a base Super Buu.

@mee09: It took Gogeta because the only available warriors for fighting Janemba were Goku and Vegeta, it was more a plot thing. So, becoming Gogeta for beating Janemba didn't necesarily meant he was stronger than Gohan or Super Buu.

You have it, Goku admits that even teaming up with Vegeta, Buu is still too strong

@perethorn: That's because Goku could not become an SSJ3 again at that point in time. He had just learned how to use the form. If he did it would not have been at full power. Plus there was a significant time limit to it. If that had been a Battle of The Gods Goku. Or a fresh SSJ3 Goku would have obliterated him just like he would have obliterated Super Buu after absorbing Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks.

I've even given links in this thread where you can clearly see that SSJ3 Goku's power level is a bit over base Super Buu's. If he had transformed at that point in time. It wouldn't have been at full power. And it would have been lower than Super Buu's.

@mee09: First Super Buu is >>>>>> Kid Buu. That's one of the reasons of why Goku and Vegeta were confident that they could beat him without the earrings (Confidence they lacked a few moments ago with Super Buu). So, SSJ3 can't be above Super Buu, maybe above Kid Buu (but not by much)

Second, transformations are always at full power. Were has been a case when a transformation happens at less power than usual with normal conditions? It can happen that you power drains faster or the transformation worns out due to fatigue, but essentially the power is always the same. When Goku used the SSJ3 against Kid Buu, it was clearly that he was at his fullest (and we can consider this battle to happen at same point in time you mentioned before) but he started to lose it due to fatigue.

That's because Goku could not become an SSJ3 again at that point in time. He had just learned how to use the form.

Really? Because he jumps straight from base to SSJ3 here pretty naturally

If he did it would not have been at full power.

Again, you are making baseless claims

Plus there was a significant time limit to it.

He did not know that at the time. Neither did we.

If that had been a Battle of The Gods Goku.

BOG SSJ3 Goku, possibly. Buu saga SSJ3 Goku? Its not even a contest

If he had transformed at that point in time. It wouldn't have been at full power. And it would have been lower than Super Buu's.

Again, you making baseless claims.

SSJ3 Goku outright admitted that he had could have easily disposed of Kid Buu right of the bat. But he didn't because he wanted to give Vegeta a chance to fight. Remember that?

no because it NEVER GODDAMN HAPPENED. manga made it absolutely clear that goku went all out right from the start, and after a brief battle, decided he needed a minute to charge up

Akira Toiryama flat out said Mystic Gohan is one of the strongest characters in the entirety of the series. W

no he didnt. absurd