The Rogues Vs The Avengers

#1 Edited by Docnick (10453 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

The Rogues

  • Captain Cold
  • Weather Wizard
  • Heatwave
  • Mirror Master (Mccolluch)
  • Trickster
  • The Top

The Avengers

  • Captain America
  • Iron Man
  • Thor
  • Quicksilver
  • Spider Woman
  • Wolverine
  • Luke Cage

Conditions

  • In Central Park
  • No prep from the Avengers. though they have heard Rumors. both exaggerated and underestimated accounts. They have an obscure idea of what they are dealing with.
  • the Rogues get 10 minutes prep time and all knowledge on the Avengers.
  • latest versions of Pre-Flashpoint Rogues
  • Current Avengers, But Iron Man is in Extremis
  • No BFR, but wins by Incapacitation, KO, or Death.
  • Morals off for Roge, Morals on for the Avengers. if Two of the Avengers fall however, the remaining become bloodlusted.
  • Standard equipment for all.

SPECIAL TWIST

if Four Avengers get taken down, Hulk joins the fray, along with Venom (Flash)

Thoughts?

#2 Posted by blackadamFTW (7824 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

I think the Avengers win.

#3 Posted by CitizenBane (19831 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

If BFR's are allowed, Mirror Master solos.

#4 Posted by whacknasty (5508 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@nickthedevil: I'm liking the Rouges chances..

Mirror Master, even though i havent read much of him, seems like he would be absolutely deadly with morals off. Same for Captain Cold... : /

#5 Posted by Docnick (10453 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I knew i was missing one last rule! thanks. updated.

#6 Posted by Immortal777 (3216 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Does them being stuck in a mirror count as incapacitation.

#7 Edited by CitizenBane (19831 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

McCulloch can solo almost the entire Avengers team by himself. Central Park doesn't have a lot of mirrors (I'm assuming, never been there myself) but Cold's ice, Cap's shield, Logan's claws, Tony's armor and Thor's......whatever it is he's wearing are more than reflective enough for his purposes.

The only person he'd have problems with is Thor, since Thor can teleport out of whatever dimension McCulloch sticks them in (though he doesn't do so very often, but ok). However, McCulloch can destroy entire dimensions as well, so he could wipe out the Avengers team by sticking them in a mirror realm and blowing it up.

That or he does what he did to Linda, he sticks them in a mirror realm where time flows backwards and watches as they revert to babies and then finally dust.

Quicksilver might be a minor problem at best, but if Flash can't tag McCulloch no matter how much he tries then Pietro's not going to do squat, and Dillon would destroy Quicksilver with morals off.

#8 Posted by Docnick (10453 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

I'd call sending them into mirror-realm BFR.

#9 Posted by CitizenBane (19831 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@nickthedevil said:

I'd call sending them into mirror-realm BFR.

Is BFR'ing itself not allowed, or simply winning via BFR? Because Mirror Master's powers depend on some amount of BFR'ing a great deal, he becomes severely restricted in that case.

#10 Posted by Docnick (10453 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

And no, Central park NYC has virtually no mirrors/reflective services. But now that i think about it, when i went it had just finished raining. It leaves huge puddles and verything seems to reflect. I guess Weather Wizard's rain counts as MM's weapon. But thor's got weather powers too.

#11 Posted by Docnick (10453 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Winning Via BFR isn't allowed. He is able to use it on himself and teamates.

#12 Posted by thatguy (1204 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

I see the avengers taking this but I could guarantee the Rouges would be so annoying to deal with. All of those elements working against you would get tiring. I'd add Girder for the sake of having a bruiser.

#13 Posted by CitizenBane (19831 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@nickthedevil said:

Winning Via BFR isn't allowed. He is able to use it on himself and teamates.

If he can use it on himself and his team mates, he could make them untouchable by everyone except maybe Thor, and then pick off the Avengers one-by-one until he's the only one left. If he pulls him into a mirror realm and kills him there, does that count as BFR?

#14 Posted by Immortal777 (3216 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Well Thor is the biggest threat along with Ironman the rest of the avengers can be taken down by Captain cold.

#15 Posted by matchesmalone21 (4670 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW: Avengers wins,but only two members will survive:Thor and Wolverine.

The Rogues are Three GREAT threats The Top,Weather Wizard and Miror Master.

Mirro Master can kill a person througth his reflection,not need to directly attack a person. Before someone saying that just need to break the mirror where he is, it does not work with him,he can out of smallest piece or througth other mirrors in any place. So he use the reflexion of Captain America shield or/and Iron Man armor and kill Cap,Iron Man,Spider Woman and Mercury.

Whetaer Wizard gonna attack Wolverine and Luke Cage with lightining,obviously Thor will deflect the lightinings.

The Top is one of most powerful not only for his super speed, but also by their telepathic and telekinetic powers,he can induce severe disorientation and vertigo in his victims. He can be the first to attack the opponents causing vertigo or brainwashing them,

#16 Posted by Docnick (10453 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@nickthedevil said:

Winning Via BFR isn't allowed. He is able to use it on himself and teamates.

If he can use it on himself and his team mates, he could make them untouchable by everyone except maybe Thor, and then pick off the Avengers one-by-one until he's the only one left. If he pulls him into a mirror realm and kills him there, does that count as BFR?

i'd consider sticking them in a mirror dimension and leaving them there as BFR. i wouldn't consider it BFR though, if He goes in with his enemy.

#17 Posted by Docnick (10453 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

added a twist

#18 Posted by CitizenBane (19831 posts) - 1 year, 1 day ago - Show Bio

@nickthedevil said:

@CitizenBane said:

@nickthedevil said:

Winning Via BFR isn't allowed. He is able to use it on himself and teamates.

If he can use it on himself and his team mates, he could make them untouchable by everyone except maybe Thor, and then pick off the Avengers one-by-one until he's the only one left. If he pulls him into a mirror realm and kills him there, does that count as BFR?

i'd consider sticking them in a mirror dimension and leaving them there as BFR. i wouldn't consider it BFR though, if He goes in with his enemy.

Rogues win, then. Mirror Master pulls them along with him to a mirror dimension where time flows backwards. They turn into babies within minutes.

The best part is that since time flows backwards, they'll forget why they're there in the first place and thus not even look around for Mirror Master.

#19 Posted by TDK_1997 (9645 posts) - 1 year, 23 hours ago - Show Bio

The Rogues win.Mirrror Master pulls out something and the Avengers start falling down one by one.

#20 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 1 year, 22 hours ago - Show Bio

Captain Cold could damn near solo.

#21 Posted by Billy Batson (54320 posts) - 1 year, 20 hours ago - Show Bio

The Rogues.
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#22 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 1 year, 17 hours ago - Show Bio

@Immortal777 said:

Well Thor is the biggest threat along with Ironman the rest of the avengers can be taken down by Captain cold.

#23 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (1210 posts) - 1 year, 17 hours ago - Show Bio

whay is there so much hype on the rouges? I say that Logan sees Mirror Master pull one of his "tricks" one one of the other Avengers, stalks him, and at the right opportunity, guts him like a pig.

#24 Posted by CitizenBane (19831 posts) - 1 year, 17 hours ago - Show Bio

@cosmicallyaware1 said:

whay is there so much hype on the rouges? I say that Logan sees Mirror Master pull one of his "tricks" one one of the other Avengers, stalks him, and at the right opportunity, guts him like a pig.

Logan cannot even touch Mirror Master no matter how hard he tries.

#25 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (1210 posts) - 1 year, 16 hours ago - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: could you please explain why you think that is? Logan has taken out much more skilled, powerful opponents many times previously. Mirror Master is no slouch, granted, however.......Logan takes out who Logan wants to take out.

#26 Posted by CitizenBane (19831 posts) - 1 year, 16 hours ago - Show Bio

@cosmicallyaware1 said:

@CitizenBane: could you please explain why you think that is? Logan has taken out much more skilled, powerful opponents many times previously. Mirror Master is no slouch, granted, however.......Logan takes out who Logan wants to take out.

Because Mirror Master simply cannot be tagged if he does not want to be tagged. He exists in a mirror realm and creates an endless stream of dupes that do his work for him.

Flash can beat Mirror Master because he can breach dimensions and strike at him that way. Logan cannot, and thus has no possible way of defeating McCulloch.

#27 Posted by matchesmalone21 (4670 posts) - 1 year, 10 hours ago - Show Bio

@cosmicallyaware1: As the Rogues have knowledge about the Avengers who you think they attacked first? Logan and Thor. Why do you think he would risk to attack in its true form? He only need to make several copies of itself (made of a mirrors), to distract the Avengers and meanwhile the real Mirror Master, kill the Avengers less powerful through the reflections of their weapons.

Trapp Wolverine inside of a mirror or turn him into a mirror. Weather Wizard release lightning in Thor (to attract his attention), so he clearly throw Mjolnir to knock him out,so Mirror Master use his mirrors to transport Mjjolnir to Mirror Realm,so that the rest of the team can attack him.

this scans are from

#28 Posted by Goku1fan (1263 posts) - 1 year, 10 hours ago - Show Bio

Avengers for sure

#29 Posted by matchesmalone21 (4670 posts) - 1 year, 10 hours ago - Show Bio

@Goku1fan: the only threta its thor..you see thes scans above and The Avengers doen't know the Rogues but Rogues know the Avengers and have prep time

#30 Posted by The Stegman (12889 posts) - 1 year, 10 hours ago - Show Bio

Rogues, cause they're just so freakin' awesome

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#31 Posted by Killemall (13438 posts) - 1 year, 9 hours ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin said:

Captain Cold could damn near solo.

Absolutely this.

#32 Posted by Killemall (13438 posts) - 1 year, 9 hours ago - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@Immortal777 said:

Well Thor is the biggest threat along with Ironman the rest of the avengers can be taken down by Captain cold.

I dont see why his sub-zero field would not work on Ironman or Thor both of them are vulnerable to being froze. If thor comes anywhere close to his sub-zero field i think this would happen to thor:

#33 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 1 year, 8 hours ago - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Immortal777 said:

Well Thor is the biggest threat along with Ironman the rest of the avengers can be taken down by Captain cold.

I dont see why his sub-zero field would not work on Ironman or Thor both of them are vulnerable to being froze. If thor comes anywhere close to his sub-zero field i think this would happen to thor:

#34 Posted by Immortal777 (3216 posts) - 1 year, 8 hours ago - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Immortal777 said:

Well Thor is the biggest threat along with Ironman the rest of the avengers can be taken down by Captain cold.

I dont see why his sub-zero field would not work on Ironman or Thor both of them are vulnerable to being froze. If thor comes anywhere close to his sub-zero field i think this would happen to thor:

The Rougues win this I'm just saying Thor and Iron have better chances than the rest of the Avengers like they could use their ranged attacks and etc.

#35 Posted by Killemall (13438 posts) - 1 year, 8 hours ago - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: LOL firstly i posted the scans as a joke, also Captain Cold field is absolute zero nothing physical can survive. Normal ice is not that cold. The only thing in Marvel perhaps attending those temperature would be The Casket of Ancient Winters and Thor was frozen solid when that happened, was it Odin who freed him, cant remember.

#36 Posted by Killemall (13438 posts) - 1 year, 8 hours ago - Show Bio

@Immortal777 said:

The Rougues win this I'm just saying Thor and Iron have better chances than the rest of the Avengers like they could use their ranged attacks and etc.

That makes sense though :)

#37 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1860 posts) - 1 year, 7 hours ago - Show Bio

@Killemall: I'm not sure if it's quite the same but Thor has resisted forces that could stop the movement of molecules, and that is kind of what absolute zero temperatures do. It's a pretty old scan though.

Here's the scan:

#38 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 1 year, 1 hour ago - Show Bio

It is a good thing that Captain Cold freezes electrons and not molecules then.

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