#1 Posted by IceMaiden (43 posts) - - Show Bio

Takes place in Gotham

1 week of prep 
who wins
#2 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Normal preptime for these guys includes getting gangs of guys with knockoff supervillain weapons or creating elaborate riddles and deathtrap.


As is, Penguin is better in a fight to begin with and his area of expertise is more relevant to one on one fighting.
#3 Edited by Nefarious (20630 posts) - - Show Bio

Penguin has the upper hand here.

#4 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (25164 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
" Penguin has the upper hand here. "
#5 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

A battle between 2 of Batman's most useless villians.I'd say Penguin.
#6 Posted by rayn1984 (187 posts) - - Show Bio

penguin


#7 Posted by GuruOfFunk (442 posts) - - Show Bio

Penguin's the only one of them that can actually do something in a fight. (Though, not that much)
#8 Posted by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler with prep.

#9 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio
@Prince CortSether said:
"Riddler with prep. "

What's he gonna do?steal something and leave a Riddle?as if Penguin cares.
#10 Edited by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

"Riddler with prep. "

What's he gonna do?steal something and leave a Riddle?as if Penguin cares. "
The hell if I know. I just like Jim Carrey :P

       
#11 Posted by marvelrules2011 (728 posts) - - Show Bio

riddler

#12 Posted by Joygirl (20040 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm... let's see... a joke character, or Batman's smartest villain..? Hmm.. tough one.... Riddler catches Penguin in a highly-ironic deathtrap, all the while mocking him for his inferior intellect.

#13 Posted by Saren (25694 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler. Smarter and a better fighter, for whatever that's worth.

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#14 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

Hmmm... let's see... a joke character, or Batman's smartest villain..? Hmm.. tough one.... Riddler catches Penguin in a highly-ironic deathtrap, all the while mocking him for his inferior intellect.

Penguin shoots him,and smartest villian? that honour belongs to Bane not Riddler.

#15 Posted by Aero_gt (840 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't prep works against eachother, they'll just try to death trap eachother or get their goons to kill eachother. In a one on one fight, the Penguin is better equiped. He'd have every weapon he'd need in an umbrella. Both of these guys would be die a horrible, yet crudely funny death to the one clown that don't play, Joker.
#16 Posted by Billy Batson (58069 posts) - - Show Bio

the penguin
BB

#17 Posted by Joygirl (20040 posts) - - Show Bio

Bane? I'm not so sure about that... they both discovered Batman's identity, and Riddler has a pretty long run of being brilliant when written well. This will never come to blows, and CERTAINLY not from Penguin. Eddie will be safely tucked away in a radio tower or something while Penguin picks up various creepy riddles that lead him to his doom, goons and all. What will Penguin do with prep? "Waugh, waugh, waugh, need more guys!" Riddler can think of like a million riddles with a week of preperation.

#18 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

Bane? I'm not so sure about that... they both discovered Batman's identity, and Riddler has a pretty long run of being brilliant when written well. This will never come to blows, and CERTAINLY not from Penguin. Eddie will be safely tucked away in a radio tower or something while Penguin picks up various creepy riddles that lead him to his doom, goons and all. What will Penguin do with prep? "Waugh, waugh, waugh, need more guys!" Riddler can think of like a million riddles with a week of preperation.

Bane discovered it just by looking at him and on panel,Riddler discovered it off panel,after a decade and the pits aided him.It was so cheaply done that they made him forget it.

Penguin has the connections and the resources,Riddler has been jacked by his own henchmen,Oswald will find him in under a few hours and shoot his face while Edward is still busy making up one of his ridiculously overcomplicated plans.

#19 Posted by BigCimmerian (8400 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

Bane discovered it just by looking at him and on panel,Riddler discovered it off panel,after a decade and the pits aided him.It was so cheaply done that they made him forget it.

Penguin has the connections and the resources,Riddler has been jacked by his own henchmen,Oswald will find him in under a few hours and shoot his face while Edward is still busy making up one of his ridiculously overcomplicated plans.

#20 Edited by KingPsychReaper (1 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: Actually no Bane is very intelligent granted, but he's not batman level intelligent, by bio riddler is in fact that intelligent, bane is known more for what he does ON the field. and Riddler being the most intelligent villain is just one of those universal batman facts, It's not debatable. Bane did a few good things and then he kinda failed, where riddler has had failures every batman villain has, but riddler keeps on coming. Bane did his whole break the bat thing and though he kept having a few appearances. Regardless the three big bads are Joker Penguin and Riddler because they each mirror some part of batman. Joker's Insanity mirrors bruce's tight grip on sanity. Penguins high connections in the underground with all the thugs and scum of gotham, mirror bruces philanthropy and high connections with the rich, Riddlers ridiculous intelligence deductive skills and ingenuity mirrors batmans high intelligence and deductive skills though while batman uses his for helping others, riddler is obsessed with showing his superiority, which is what puts him in a bind, Banes title belongs as the man who broke the bat which is a good enough title for the guy, he's intelligent yea... but he's not riddler intelligent, he's very strong, but probably rivaled by croc, his real claim to fame is breaking batman. I'd say riddler wins smaller battles but more over all bane comes up with this great climax then fail... like secret six. Of course also Riddler doesn't need some chemical to power himself up, just his brain really. No matter what argument you make though, it really is just a universal thing in batman where riddler is just the most intelligent that is his role among batman's villains. Riddler has had a few bad run ins but in the end he usually figures his way out of a bad situation. I mean he pretty much has the last laugh on batman in hush, even though batman punched him, riddler isn't about the physical it's about the mental and the schemes and the plans, yea he gets beat up alot but that doesn't matter because what he lacks in strength he way more than makes up for in brains

#21 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler forces me to complete his stupid challenge maps and earn all the medals for the platinum trophy.

I lose.

#22 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

the penguin wins though i didnt like him

#23 Posted by VercingetorixTheGreat (2823 posts) - - Show Bio

Penguin wins. He actually commands respect from his henchmen. Also Riddler may or may not be the most book smart batman villain but Bane is easily the smartest outside of a book

#24 Posted by Dracade102 (8167 posts) - - Show Bio

Depending on exactly which version of the Riddler and Penguin you're talking about here, I'd say the Penguin would win through having more connections in the criminal underworld than Riddler, and a far stronger band of thugs. However, I've never really seen Riddler ever apply himself against anyone other than Batman. If he's willing to focus less on the brainteasers and more on the main operation, Riddler might have a slim chance at killing Cobblepot. Either way though, I'm leaning more towards the Penguin's side.

#25 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@KingPsychReaper said:

@entropy_aegis: Actually no Bane is very intelligent granted, but he's not batman level intelligent, by bio riddler is in fact that intelligent, bane is known more for what he does ON the field. and Riddler being the most intelligent villain is just one of those universal batman facts, It's not debatable. Bane did a few good things and then he kinda failed, where riddler has had failures every batman villain has, but riddler keeps on coming. Bane did his whole break the bat thing and though he kept having a few appearances. Regardless the three big bads are Joker Penguin and Riddler because they each mirror some part of batman. Joker's Insanity mirrors bruce's tight grip on sanity. Penguins high connections in the underground with all the thugs and scum of gotham, mirror bruces philanthropy and high connections with the rich, Riddlers ridiculous intelligence deductive skills and ingenuity mirrors batmans high intelligence and deductive skills though while batman uses his for helping others, riddler is obsessed with showing his superiority, which is what puts him in a bind, Banes title belongs as the man who broke the bat which is a good enough title for the guy, he's intelligent yea... but he's not riddler intelligent, he's very strong, but probably rivaled by croc, his real claim to fame is breaking batman. I'd say riddler wins smaller battles but more over all bane comes up with this great climax then fail... like secret six. Of course also Riddler doesn't need some chemical to power himself up, just his brain really. No matter what argument you make though, it really is just a universal thing in batman where riddler is just the most intelligent that is his role among batman's villains. Riddler has had a few bad run ins but in the end he usually figures his way out of a bad situation. I mean he pretty much has the last laugh on batman in hush, even though batman punched him, riddler isn't about the physical it's about the mental and the schemes and the plans, yea he gets beat up alot but that doesn't matter because what he lacks in strength he way more than makes up for in brains

WTF? Dude I dont care about what Riddler could be,should be or would be.I care about what he is,virtually everyone in Gotham has gotten the drop on Riddler.Bane outsmarted him just before Knightfall and funny you should mention chemicals cause I seem to recall Bane deducing Batman's secret ID with in a few days just by looking at him while it took Riddler about a decade and chemicals of the Lazarus pit(by his own admission) to do the same.Bane is smarter,feats prove it.Riddler only has the rep and Hush lol? please by that logic Gilda Dent and Alberto Falcone are smarter than Batman and Riddler.

#26 Edited by Blacklightning13 (916 posts) - - Show Bio

@KingPsychReaper said:

@entropy_aegis: Actually no Bane is very intelligent granted, but he's not batman level intelligent, by bio riddler is in fact that intelligent, bane is known more for what he does ON the field. and Riddler being the most intelligent villain is just one of those universal batman facts, It's not debatable. Bane did a few good things and then he kinda failed, where riddler has had failures every batman villain has, but riddler keeps on coming. Bane did his whole break the bat thing and though he kept having a few appearances. Regardless the three big bads are Joker Penguin and Riddler because they each mirror some part of batman. Joker's Insanity mirrors bruce's tight grip on sanity. Penguins high connections in the underground with all the thugs and scum of gotham, mirror bruces philanthropy and high connections with the rich, Riddlers ridiculous intelligence deductive skills and ingenuity mirrors batmans high intelligence and deductive skills though while batman uses his for helping others, riddler is obsessed with showing his superiority, which is what puts him in a bind, Banes title belongs as the man who broke the bat which is a good enough title for the guy, he's intelligent yea... but he's not riddler intelligent, he's very strong, but probably rivaled by croc, his real claim to fame is breaking batman. I'd say riddler wins smaller battles but more over all bane comes up with this great climax then fail... like secret six. Of course also Riddler doesn't need some chemical to power himself up, just his brain really. No matter what argument you make though, it really is just a universal thing in batman where riddler is just the most intelligent that is his role among batman's villains. Riddler has had a few bad run ins but in the end he usually figures his way out of a bad situation. I mean he pretty much has the last laugh on batman in hush, even though batman punched him, riddler isn't about the physical it's about the mental and the schemes and the plans, yea he gets beat up alot but that doesn't matter because what he lacks in strength he way more than makes up for in brains

I disagree. They are just some of the oldest (so have had time to develop character wise) and the most popular.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Joygirl said:

Hmmm... let's see... a joke character, or Batman's smartest villain..? Hmm.. tough one.... Riddler catches Penguin in a highly-ironic deathtrap, all the while mocking him for his inferior intellect.

Penguin shoots him,and smartest villian? that honour belongs to Bane not Riddler.

Bane? Please. Either Prometheus, Hush or Ra Ah Ghul.

#27 Posted by Sydpart2 (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler can be done so well but everyone just remembers the crap stories. I mean come on guys, the only good Riddler story anyone has cited was Hush and even that is just ok for what he's done. Riddler can and has out thought Batman and Joker, two geniuses. He's freaking humiliated Green Arrow, twice. Penguin is good at paying people off but Riddler is smarter than to just pay some guys to take out Cobblepot. You think this is just gonna be a thug match? No, Riddler will work in shadow tactics, hiring spies and would probably go all Oceans 11 on Penguin's ass, not just beating him but taking everything from him in the process.

#28 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

Hmmm... let's see... a joke character, or Batman's smartest villain..? Hmm.. tough one.... Riddler catches Penguin in a highly-ironic deathtrap, all the while mocking him for his inferior intellect.
#29 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blacklightning13 said:

@KingPsychReaper said:

@entropy_aegis: Actually no Bane is very intelligent granted, but he's not batman level intelligent, by bio riddler is in fact that intelligent, bane is known more for what he does ON the field. and Riddler being the most intelligent villain is just one of those universal batman facts, It's not debatable. Bane did a few good things and then he kinda failed, where riddler has had failures every batman villain has, but riddler keeps on coming. Bane did his whole break the bat thing and though he kept having a few appearances. Regardless the three big bads are Joker Penguin and Riddler because they each mirror some part of batman. Joker's Insanity mirrors bruce's tight grip on sanity. Penguins high connections in the underground with all the thugs and scum of gotham, mirror bruces philanthropy and high connections with the rich, Riddlers ridiculous intelligence deductive skills and ingenuity mirrors batmans high intelligence and deductive skills though while batman uses his for helping others, riddler is obsessed with showing his superiority, which is what puts him in a bind, Banes title belongs as the man who broke the bat which is a good enough title for the guy, he's intelligent yea... but he's not riddler intelligent, he's very strong, but probably rivaled by croc, his real claim to fame is breaking batman. I'd say riddler wins smaller battles but more over all bane comes up with this great climax then fail... like secret six. Of course also Riddler doesn't need some chemical to power himself up, just his brain really. No matter what argument you make though, it really is just a universal thing in batman where riddler is just the most intelligent that is his role among batman's villains. Riddler has had a few bad run ins but in the end he usually figures his way out of a bad situation. I mean he pretty much has the last laugh on batman in hush, even though batman punched him, riddler isn't about the physical it's about the mental and the schemes and the plans, yea he gets beat up alot but that doesn't matter because what he lacks in strength he way more than makes up for in brains

I disagree. They are just some of the oldest (so have had time to develop character wise) and the most popular.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Joygirl said:

Hmmm... let's see... a joke character, or Batman's smartest villain..? Hmm.. tough one.... Riddler catches Penguin in a highly-ironic deathtrap, all the while mocking him for his inferior intellect.

Penguin shoots him,and smartest villian? that honour belongs to Bane not Riddler.

Bane? Please. Either Prometheus, Hush or Ra Ah Ghul.

Prometheus is not a Batman villain and he's just a walking plot device,Bane>Ra's al Ghul read Bane of the Demon and Hush? LOL what's he even done?his master plan in Hush(not even his btw) was just a poor mans Knightfall.@Sydpart2 said:

Riddler can be done so well but everyone just remembers the crap stories. I mean come on guys, the only good Riddler story anyone has cited was Hush and even that is just ok for what he's done. Riddler can and has out thought Batman and Joker, two geniuses. He's freaking humiliated Green Arrow, twice. Penguin is good at paying people off but Riddler is smarter than to just pay some guys to take out Cobblepot. You think this is just gonna be a thug match? No, Riddler will work in shadow tactics, hiring spies and would probably go all Oceans 11 on Penguin's ass, not just beating him but taking everything from him in the process.

Since when was GA so smart? and Riddler has only outsmarted Batman once likewise he's been owned 10 times more so I'll go with what's more consistent.

Penguin will kick him out of Gotham,he has intel on everyone,he has connections everywhere even amongst heroes.

#30 Posted by Sydpart2 (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@Blacklightning13 said:

@KingPsychReaper said:

@entropy_aegis: Actually no Bane is very intelligent granted, but he's not batman level intelligent, by bio riddler is in fact that intelligent, bane is known more for what he does ON the field. and Riddler being the most intelligent villain is just one of those universal batman facts, It's not debatable. Bane did a few good things and then he kinda failed, where riddler has had failures every batman villain has, but riddler keeps on coming. Bane did his whole break the bat thing and though he kept having a few appearances. Regardless the three big bads are Joker Penguin and Riddler because they each mirror some part of batman. Joker's Insanity mirrors bruce's tight grip on sanity. Penguins high connections in the underground with all the thugs and scum of gotham, mirror bruces philanthropy and high connections with the rich, Riddlers ridiculous intelligence deductive skills and ingenuity mirrors batmans high intelligence and deductive skills though while batman uses his for helping others, riddler is obsessed with showing his superiority, which is what puts him in a bind, Banes title belongs as the man who broke the bat which is a good enough title for the guy, he's intelligent yea... but he's not riddler intelligent, he's very strong, but probably rivaled by croc, his real claim to fame is breaking batman. I'd say riddler wins smaller battles but more over all bane comes up with this great climax then fail... like secret six. Of course also Riddler doesn't need some chemical to power himself up, just his brain really. No matter what argument you make though, it really is just a universal thing in batman where riddler is just the most intelligent that is his role among batman's villains. Riddler has had a few bad run ins but in the end he usually figures his way out of a bad situation. I mean he pretty much has the last laugh on batman in hush, even though batman punched him, riddler isn't about the physical it's about the mental and the schemes and the plans, yea he gets beat up alot but that doesn't matter because what he lacks in strength he way more than makes up for in brains

I disagree. They are just some of the oldest (so have had time to develop character wise) and the most popular.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Joygirl said:

Hmmm... let's see... a joke character, or Batman's smartest villain..? Hmm.. tough one.... Riddler catches Penguin in a highly-ironic deathtrap, all the while mocking him for his inferior intellect.

Penguin shoots him,and smartest villian? that honour belongs to Bane not Riddler.

Bane? Please. Either Prometheus, Hush or Ra Ah Ghul.

Prometheus is not a Batman villain and he's just a walking plot device,Bane>Ra's al Ghul read Bane of the Demon and Hush? LOL what's he even done?his master plan in Hush(not even his btw) was just a poor mans Knightfall.@Sydpart2 said:

Riddler can be done so well but everyone just remembers the crap stories. I mean come on guys, the only good Riddler story anyone has cited was Hush and even that is just ok for what he's done. Riddler can and has out thought Batman and Joker, two geniuses. He's freaking humiliated Green Arrow, twice. Penguin is good at paying people off but Riddler is smarter than to just pay some guys to take out Cobblepot. You think this is just gonna be a thug match? No, Riddler will work in shadow tactics, hiring spies and would probably go all Oceans 11 on Penguin's ass, not just beating him but taking everything from him in the process.

Since when was GA so smart? and Riddler has only outsmarted Batman once likewise he's been owned 10 times more so I'll go with what's more consistent.

Penguin will kick him out of Gotham,he has intel on everyone,he has connections everywhere even amongst heroes.

I didn't say GA was a genius like Joker and Batman, but he's far from an idiot. And no, he's outsmarted Batman several times.

#31 Posted by The Stegman (24638 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler

#32 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the Riddler would win, due to the fact on whether he's the smartest Batman villain or not, he is smarter then the Penguin by quite a large margin.

#33 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14737 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

I think the Riddler would win, due to the fact on whether he's the smartest Batman villain or not, he is smarter then the Penguin by quite a large margin.

my sidekick is right.

#34 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5242 posts) - - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

I think the Riddler would win, due to the fact on whether he's the smartest Batman villain or not, he is smarter then the Penguin by quite a large margin.

my sidekick is right.

-__- lol

#35 Posted by TifaLockhart (14051 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler cheats. Then he has the nerve to accuse Batman of looking up the answers to his riddles on the Internet.

#36 Posted by Trinity00 (2508 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sydpart2 said:

Riddler can be done so well but everyone just remembers the crap stories. I mean come on guys, the only good Riddler story anyone has cited was Hush and even that is just ok for what he's done. Riddler can and has out thought Batman and Joker, two geniuses. He's freaking humiliated Green Arrow, twice. Penguin is good at paying people off but Riddler is smarter than to just pay some guys to take out Cobblepot. You think this is just gonna be a thug match? No, Riddler will work in shadow tactics, hiring spies and would probably go all Oceans 11 on Penguin's ass, not just beating him but taking everything from him in the process.

lol

#37 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Penguin wins

#38 Edited by Picard (1003 posts) - - Show Bio

@KingPsychReaper said:

@entropy_aegis: Actually no Bane is very intelligent granted, but he's not batman level intelligent, by bio riddler is in fact that intelligent, bane is known more for what he does ON the field. and Riddler being the most intelligent villain is just one of those universal batman facts, It's not debatable. Bane did a few good things and then he kinda failed, where riddler has had failures every batman villain has, but riddler keeps on coming. Bane did his whole break the bat thing and though he kept having a few appearances. Regardless the three big bads are Joker Penguin and Riddler because they each mirror some part of batman. Joker's Insanity mirrors bruce's tight grip on sanity. Penguins high connections in the underground with all the thugs and scum of gotham, mirror bruces philanthropy and high connections with the rich, Riddlers ridiculous intelligence deductive skills and ingenuity mirrors batmans high intelligence and deductive skills though while batman uses his for helping others, riddler is obsessed with showing his superiority, which is what puts him in a bind, Banes title belongs as the man who broke the bat which is a good enough title for the guy, he's intelligent yea... but he's not riddler intelligent, he's very strong, but probably rivaled by croc, his real claim to fame is breaking batman. I'd say riddler wins smaller battles but more over all bane comes up with this great climax then fail... like secret six. Of course also Riddler doesn't need some chemical to power himself up, just his brain really. No matter what argument you make though, it really is just a universal thing in batman where riddler is just the most intelligent that is his role among batman's villains. Riddler has had a few bad run ins but in the end he usually figures his way out of a bad situation. I mean he pretty much has the last laugh on batman in hush, even though batman punched him, riddler isn't about the physical it's about the mental and the schemes and the plans, yea he gets beat up alot but that doesn't matter because what he lacks in strength he way more than makes up for in brains

Actually no Bane is smarter than Riddler - before Knightfall Bane effortlessly solved Nigma's riddle - in fact before Batman did it - and pumped Edward with venom. Bane was set up to be ultimate villain: he was smarter than Riddler end stronger than Killer Croc. Reason why Bane is rarely used is because overpowered. But Riddler wins - he is a lot smarter than Oswald.

#39 Posted by Blacklightning13 (916 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@Blacklightning13 said:

@KingPsychReaper said:

@entropy_aegis: Actually no Bane is very intelligent granted, but he's not batman level intelligent, by bio riddler is in fact that intelligent, bane is known more for what he does ON the field. and Riddler being the most intelligent villain is just one of those universal batman facts, It's not debatable. Bane did a few good things and then he kinda failed, where riddler has had failures every batman villain has, but riddler keeps on coming. Bane did his whole break the bat thing and though he kept having a few appearances. Regardless the three big bads are Joker Penguin and Riddler because they each mirror some part of batman. Joker's Insanity mirrors bruce's tight grip on sanity. Penguins high connections in the underground with all the thugs and scum of gotham, mirror bruces philanthropy and high connections with the rich, Riddlers ridiculous intelligence deductive skills and ingenuity mirrors batmans high intelligence and deductive skills though while batman uses his for helping others, riddler is obsessed with showing his superiority, which is what puts him in a bind, Banes title belongs as the man who broke the bat which is a good enough title for the guy, he's intelligent yea... but he's not riddler intelligent, he's very strong, but probably rivaled by croc, his real claim to fame is breaking batman. I'd say riddler wins smaller battles but more over all bane comes up with this great climax then fail... like secret six. Of course also Riddler doesn't need some chemical to power himself up, just his brain really. No matter what argument you make though, it really is just a universal thing in batman where riddler is just the most intelligent that is his role among batman's villains. Riddler has had a few bad run ins but in the end he usually figures his way out of a bad situation. I mean he pretty much has the last laugh on batman in hush, even though batman punched him, riddler isn't about the physical it's about the mental and the schemes and the plans, yea he gets beat up alot but that doesn't matter because what he lacks in strength he way more than makes up for in brains

I disagree. They are just some of the oldest (so have had time to develop character wise) and the most popular.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Joygirl said:

Hmmm... let's see... a joke character, or Batman's smartest villain..? Hmm.. tough one.... Riddler catches Penguin in a highly-ironic deathtrap, all the while mocking him for his inferior intellect.

Penguin shoots him,and smartest villian? that honour belongs to Bane not Riddler.

Bane? Please. Either Prometheus, Hush or Ra Ah Ghul.

Prometheus is not a Batman villain and he's just a walking plot device,Bane>Ra's al Ghul read Bane of the Demon and Hush? LOL what's he even done?his master plan in Hush(not even his btw) was just a poor mans Knightfall.

Prometheus is a Batman villain. He is just done mostly as an enemy of the JLA.

Hush is good. He's very good. He used Poison Ivy (and there-by Catwoman and Superman), Joker, Harley quin, Clay face and Harold. He nearly beat Batman and did beat Catwoman. He was even able to operate even without funds.

#40 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blacklightning13 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Blacklightning13 said:

@KingPsychReaper said:

@entropy_aegis: Actually no Bane is very intelligent granted, but he's not batman level intelligent, by bio riddler is in fact that intelligent, bane is known more for what he does ON the field. and Riddler being the most intelligent villain is just one of those universal batman facts, It's not debatable. Bane did a few good things and then he kinda failed, where riddler has had failures every batman villain has, but riddler keeps on coming. Bane did his whole break the bat thing and though he kept having a few appearances. Regardless the three big bads are Joker Penguin and Riddler because they each mirror some part of batman. Joker's Insanity mirrors bruce's tight grip on sanity. Penguins high connections in the underground with all the thugs and scum of gotham, mirror bruces philanthropy and high connections with the rich, Riddlers ridiculous intelligence deductive skills and ingenuity mirrors batmans high intelligence and deductive skills though while batman uses his for helping others, riddler is obsessed with showing his superiority, which is what puts him in a bind, Banes title belongs as the man who broke the bat which is a good enough title for the guy, he's intelligent yea... but he's not riddler intelligent, he's very strong, but probably rivaled by croc, his real claim to fame is breaking batman. I'd say riddler wins smaller battles but more over all bane comes up with this great climax then fail... like secret six. Of course also Riddler doesn't need some chemical to power himself up, just his brain really. No matter what argument you make though, it really is just a universal thing in batman where riddler is just the most intelligent that is his role among batman's villains. Riddler has had a few bad run ins but in the end he usually figures his way out of a bad situation. I mean he pretty much has the last laugh on batman in hush, even though batman punched him, riddler isn't about the physical it's about the mental and the schemes and the plans, yea he gets beat up alot but that doesn't matter because what he lacks in strength he way more than makes up for in brains

I disagree. They are just some of the oldest (so have had time to develop character wise) and the most popular.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Joygirl said:

Hmmm... let's see... a joke character, or Batman's smartest villain..? Hmm.. tough one.... Riddler catches Penguin in a highly-ironic deathtrap, all the while mocking him for his inferior intellect.

Penguin shoots him,and smartest villian? that honour belongs to Bane not Riddler.

Bane? Please. Either Prometheus, Hush or Ra Ah Ghul.

Prometheus is not a Batman villain and he's just a walking plot device,Bane>Ra's al Ghul read Bane of the Demon and Hush? LOL what's he even done?his master plan in Hush(not even his btw) was just a poor mans Knightfall.

Prometheus is a Batman villain. He is just done mostly as an enemy of the JLA.

Hush is good. He's very good. He used Poison Ivy (and there-by Catwoman and Superman), Joker, Harley quin, Clay face and Harold. He nearly beat Batman and did beat Catwoman. He was even able to operate even without funds.

No he is'nt,he has'nt even appeared in a Batman book,he's simply an anti-Batman,the same goes for Deathstroke.Hush is good only in Jeph Loeb stories where even Alberto and Sofia Falcone managed to do the same things years before he came along.Bane could solo Hush,Riddler and Freeze.

#41 Posted by Saren (25694 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blacklightning13 said:

Prometheus is a Batman villain. He is just done mostly as an enemy of the JLA.

Hush is good. He's very good. He used Poison Ivy (and there-by Catwoman and Superman), Joker, Harley quin, Clay face and Harold. He nearly beat Batman and did beat Catwoman. He was even able to operate even without funds.

Hush then had his ass soundly kicked twice by Catwoman after that. He's not good for anything other than quoting Aristotle.

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#42 Posted by thebatmobile12 (44 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler wins, but the fight would be fairer if less prep time was given out.

#43 Posted by TDK_1997 (14900 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler.A better fighter.