"I remember that what I said (thrust/strength, not lobo/hulk) had something to do with (among other things) it all just being force. Whether the power to lift whatever it is comes from flight or from Superman's biceps, it's still force that he can use against someone else. He can fly into someone as easily as punch them, so the power to move a planet, moon, whatever, is still there. That alone doesn't say that his punch packs the same power though, so you're right, we can't say that Lobo withstood planet-moving strength since he's getting hit with punches, not being flown at, the way the planet was moved. But, like the picture I posted shows, he *does* have that kind of power in his punches (backing up the idea that the planet thing is being presented as a strength feat as opposed to a flight/durability feat), so Lobo standing up to it repeatedly (even if Superman's not going all out) is more than anything Hulk's taken."
We're in agreement until you get to the end there. I think it's still debatable exactly what level of strength (or force) that Lobo is enduring and certainly debatable as to whether it is more than Hulk has ever faced. Because he pulls his punches (just like all of the other heroes) we dont know if Superman hits Lobo with more force then Thor, the Maestro or the Abomination have hit Hulk with.
"Nothing in those images is anything Lobo hasn't been able to do. And Hulk being able to survive from a broken neck doesn't mean he'd survive having his head (or major organs) removed. In fact, the broken neck presents another way for Lobo to win. Break his neck (easier than taking it off with him still alive) or do some other kind of major damage, and while he's out or healing, take him apart."
I know you know that I've been arguing with you because of the pure enjoyment of it and of course I have continued to agree that in the early stages of the fight with a mildly pissed off Hulk, Lobo could just take him apart. But we don't know what level of anger Hulk is at when he steps into this fight or just how quickly he can ramp up that anger. I dont know exactly how much stronger than Hulk Lobo is. I know how much stronger Superman is, but being able to go toe to toe with him isn't so big of a feet considering he's always pulling his punches. I think Superman is probably fighting well below one percent of his potential output (accepting his strength level from those images you provided) because any more than that and he would be destroying Metropolis with the shockwaves from his hits and instantly liquifying whoever he was punching.
"I don't see why this fight would drag on since Lobo starts out, and will be for a while, enormously stronger, but if it did drag out, Lobo could continue to fight for eternity and Hulk would tire out in days, weeks at most. Unrelated: It's funny, but the second two images are things I've seen Midnighter do. He's healed from a broken neck (said it was nothing compared to his morning workout) and been burned by the avatar of the sun as badly as Hulk was. "
Hulk would tire out and so this fight for him is like a bell curve. He could easily lose in the first few moments and after a few weeks but in between he would have a chance. Fueled by enough anger he could easily tear Lobo into so many little pieces and then throw them in different directions what that insane strength of his. What part would Lobo regenerate from? Especially if his brain and heart were torn apart too and how long would it take him to reconstitute from that?
Oh and nice job plugging your boy Midnighter.
"Hulk, in his current state, is being made out to be stronger, and better than ever before, but I still haven't seen anything that puts him (at the start of the fight) anywhere near Superman, or the people he fights, like Lobo. Lobo is still much stronger than him until he angers up some more, and until then, he's capable of tearing him apart with his bear hands, breaking his bones, eviscerating him, and finding other ways to beat him. And then, if for some reason Lobo doesn't do that and lets Hulk get angrier, when Hulk gets strong/tough enough that Lobo can't do that to him, he still can't kill Lobo, and eventually, after a few days or weeks fighting all out, Hulk will be worn out and Lobo won't. "
Yes yes, this is what would probably happen, but if Hulk is able to get sufficiently angry to do as I said above, or even something as mundane as launching Lobo into space, then Hulk would win. Lobo could do the same things to him and has more of a chance to do so, since Hulk would need to get sufficiently enraged while Lobo already has the necessary strength, but it's not impossible for Hulk to win. It just depends on what level of rage Hulk comes into this fight at. Lobo being pulled inexorably into the sun would count as a win for Hulk.