The Quintessence vs Hell Lords

I found this thread on another forum but it wasn't a popular one. I'm mostly using it to gauge power levels for some characters.

The Phantom Stranger

Highfather

Shazam the Wizard

Zeus

Ganthet

VS

Dormammu

Hela

Mephisto

Blackheart

Satannish

Morals on, but Phantom Stranger can use the full extent of his powers.

Win via KO/Death, but not BFR

No prep

All combatants in their primes (minus amps)

Takes place on a neutral Earth.

Ah, I just realized this thread was already made here. Though it was morals off and allowed BFR, so this is different.

The phantom stranger would not be able to do anything here, so it is now 4:5.

Shaman outside his RoE is not on these levels.

Even though Zeus, highfather, and ganthet are pretty powerful, they can not win against these odds.

@van_cere: Let's give Shazam the Rock of Eternity then.

Why is the Phantom Stranger useless?

@van_cere: I've edited it so that it takes place in a composite dimension which involves the dimensions of all these characters (unless there's a dimension for the Phantom Stranger or Ganthet).

@shootingnova: The pre 52 PS can not use his powers, unless you change that, he is useless.

@van_cere: Ah, yes, just like Watcher. Fine, he can use his powers.

Now what happens?

Dat Zeus beard! Abit I only know about Zeus and none of everyone else here lol.

That beard is... certainly interesting.

Fitting for the fact that almost all of the Quintessence are old men. He has the most... unique beard out of them, though.

lol

Yeah, I learnt from your respect thread. Although you might have missed a feat where he calls some troops home or something.

But yeah, he's pretty powerful. Certainly more powerful than his Marvel incarnation.

@shootingnova: Yeah I figured I missed a few, but I got them from a 2nd hand source. :P

This is hard but i'm leaning towards the hell lords.

@primebonnick: Why? Somebody told me the Quintessence doesn't have the power to kill them.

I'm mostly trying to find a power level for Shazam the Wizard and Ganthet, both of whom I don't know very well.

Prime said the Lords would win though...unless you mis-typed. :P

Oh wait...I get what you mean I think lol.

@shootingnova: To tell the truth ganthet and shazam have never impressed me.

@primebonnick: What feats does Ganthet have? Apparently his depowered version lost to Cyborg Superman.

Not sure what Shazam can do. Apparently he has depowered Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel, Black Adam and Isis, and turned the latter two into stone.

@wolfrazer: Ah, I should have been clearer. I was asking him for why, but I was also bringing up that somebody told me that the Quintessence likely lacks the power to kill the Hell-Lords.

I think the hell lords win this.

@shootingnova: Ah I see...I think out of the group Zeus and Highfather are the most powerful. Stranger could be too, but I don't know too much about him.

Everybody seems to be willing to give the Hell-Lords an edge. Perhaps I should give the Quintessence their dimensions, but not the Hell-Lords?

Not sure how powerful Highfather is, to be honest.

@shootingnova: I'm kinda really going off of vague memory with Highfather tbh lol. I may put Zeus over him, because my memory on him is vague and I ain't recalling any big feats for Highfather.

@wolfrazer: Do you have feats for him?

Maybe @killemall would be a good person to call for this.

@shootingnova: Nada, again 2nd hand knowledge lol.

@wolfrazer: Do you have feats for any of these characters (other than Zeus, because I know you compiled his feats already)?

Why? I'm just trying to get more reasoning out of people because I want to have a more concrete level for the Quintessence.

@shootingnova: I thought it wasn't DC Zeus??I follow you I got all the blogs.I didn't think they were Comics..

@kingares109: Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about.

I was saying that Wolfrazer made a DC Zeus respect thread, and not for any of these other characters.

@shootingnova: None what so ever! Was a challenge even getting DC Zeus! Although was kinda a challenge getting feats for Hermes, Cronus and Hercules/Herakles too(although I've given up on trying to get the Herc Unbound series, so no scans from that.)

@wolfrazer: Zeus and the Phantom Stranger are probably the most powerful out of the Quintessence. Not sure on the Highfather and Shazam, even though they appear to be extremely powerful. I know literally next to nothing on Ganthet, though.

Bump.

Hell Lords

The DC guys have a feat deficiency. Shocker.

@sog7dc: I'm fairly certain that Zeus, Phantom Stranger and Highfather have enough feats.

Not sure about Shazam or Ganthet, though.

I don't know what to input here, apart from Hela I have read every appearences of the other characters here from marvel team but I don't know much about DC team.

I don't know how powerful Shazam is but honestly in the neutral realm the only one to actually have noteworthy feat are Satannish and Dormammu. The rest have been pretty average, more or less slightly above Thor.

Mephisto and Hela in their realm are a different matter, on earth dimension they are pretty powerful and not only are they relatively featless but they have been defeated by very underwhelming characters. Shazam might be able to compete if he is say more powerful than Captain Marvel or Superman. I don't really know how powerful he is though.

@killemall: Apparently Shazam depowered Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel, Isis and Black Adam, and he turned the latter two into stone, and I'm pretty sure that was outside the Rock of Eternity.

As far as I know, Shazam also turned the Seven Deadly Sins into stone.

DC Zeus has a number of feats: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/dc-zeus-respect-thread-1561517/

He has some nice feats like splitting the Source along with Odin and Jove, wrecking Wonder Woman, and killing Kane Milohai in his own realm by ripping out his heart. He's also freed other pantheon gods from the Shattered God and they collectively destroyed the Shattered God. He gave the Titans access to Hypertime and (with Hades) threw an amped Ares and his children into Tartarus. And, of course, he and the other Gods defeated the Titans, including Cronus.

There's no respect thread for any of the others, though, except for this: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/phantom-stranger-1847/new-52-phantom-stranger-respect-thread-1522719/

But it's new-52 Phantom Stranger, who is said to be weaker than his pre-52 incarnation.

I know nearly nothing about Ganthet except that his depowered version lost to Cyborg Superman or something.

All the Quintessence reside in a place beyond time and space, as far as I know.

Bump. I've changed the fight to take place on a neutral Earth, so it won't be too much in the Hell-Lords' favor. The Quintessence now have a very real chance, to me.