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#1 Edited by Pistolwhip1 (842 posts) - - Show Bio
 
 
 
 
The Punisher takes on the Saints from the Saints Row Games, can he take them down? 
The Punisher has a week of prep.
 The Saints have half a week. 
Morals are off.  
 
Fight takes place in Steelport 
 
 
 
  
#2 Edited by Illuminatus (9509 posts) - - Show Bio

A month of prep? They're all going too die horribly.

#3 Posted by Pistolwhip1 (842 posts) - - Show Bio
@Illuminatus said:
A month of prep? They're all going too die horribly.
Well, might make it less. Just thinking of all the strange weapons the Saints can get their hands on. 
#4 Posted by Illuminatus (9509 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pistolwhip1 said:
@Illuminatus said:
A month of prep? They're all going too die horribly.
Well, might make it less. Just thinking of all the strange weapons the Saints can get their hands on. 
But it doesn't say the Saints have any prep. Besides, Frank is a master at prepping for guys like this. 
#5 Posted by Pistolwhip1 (842 posts) - - Show Bio
@Illuminatus said:
@Pistolwhip1 said:
@Illuminatus said:
A month of prep? They're all going too die horribly.
Well, might make it less. Just thinking of all the strange weapons the Saints can get their hands on. 
But it doesn't say the Saints have any prep. Besides, Frank is a master at prepping for guys like this. 
Alright, I will change it up some.
#6 Posted by Blob (576 posts) - - Show Bio

This one in my opinion is really close he might be able to kill Pierce and maybe Shaundi but when it comes down to it I see him having trouble with Oleg, Johnny Gat and The Boss.

#7 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

I see Punisher having some trouble with Oleg, Johnny and The Boss(you), but nothing he can't handle.

1 week prep for Punisher is overkill.

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#8 Posted by cyberninja (10413 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher kills them all.

#9 Posted by Billy Batson (58024 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher.
BB

#10 Posted by Pistolwhip1 (842 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deranged Midget said:

I see Punisher having some trouble with Oleg, Johnny and The Boss(you), but nothing he can't handle.

1 week prep for Punisher is overkill.

Hm, how much prep would be necessary for a fair fight in your opinion?
#11 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyberninja said:

Punisher kills them all.

#12 Posted by Nefarious (20319 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher stomps.

#13 Edited by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

Saints have prep too, they have access to pretty amazing armory themselves i dont know why so many people are saying Punisher stomps.

Most often than not Punisher's prep includes him getting bigger and more dangerous guns.

I think the battle can do either way!

#14 Edited by Blob (576 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

Saints have prep too, they have access to pretty amazing armory themselves i dont know why so many people are saying Punisher stomps.

Most often than not Punisher's prep includes him getting bigger and more dangerous guns.

I think the battle can do either way!

Finally! Boss (your character) is a beast and he would have trouble with Gat and Oleg as well. Oleg is like a bigger version of Kingpin except he is a lot stronger because he knock cars around like they are nothing and can tank a lot of things too.

#15 Posted by Pistolwhip1 (842 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killemall said:

Saints have prep too, they have access to pretty amazing armory themselves i dont know why so many people are saying Punisher stomps.

Most often than not Punisher's prep includes him getting bigger and more dangerous guns.

I think the battle can do either way!

True, that is what I was thinking as well. 
Especially the stag weapons and vehicles that they could get their hands on.  
 
#16 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blob said:

Finally! Boss (your character) is a beast and he would have trouble with Gat and Oleg as well.

Haha/

Oleg is like a bigger version of Kingpin except he is a lot stronger because he knock cars around like they are nothing and can tank a lot of things too.

Well King Pin has dont that too in classic comics and has gone many rounds with Spiderman, won few lost many but well its spiderman. :)

@Pistolwhip1 said:

True, that is what I was thinking as well.
Especially the stag weapons and vehicles that they could get their hands on.

Problem is people will bring up the fact that punisher has a lot of feats, but from what i have seen most of his prep (of course not all) involves on getting his hands on powerful weaponary. If it was punisher with prep vs these guys without prep, i would totally be with everyone else and say Punisher stomps. But thats not the case, all they have to do is get hands on some weapons that is faster and hopefully more powerful than punisher has. And they should not sit on one place but be diversified in many locations, that way even if punisher takes one or two, which i think he will, the rest can avenge them by beating punisher. Its not like he has super speed or super reaction time, all they would need is to land one bullet and its all over for punisher.

I am actually favoring the Saints here.

#17 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pistolwhip1 said:

@Deranged Midget said:

I see Punisher having some trouble with Oleg, Johnny and The Boss(you), but nothing he can't handle.

1 week prep for Punisher is overkill.

Hm, how much prep would be necessary for a fair fight in your opinion?

Punisher get's 1 day max for recon, weapon prep, etc.

Saint's get a week then it's fair. Punisher has handled gangs and thugs leagues above the Saint's.

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#18 Posted by Blob (576 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@Blob said:

Finally! Boss (your character) is a beast and he would have trouble with Gat and Oleg as well.

Haha/

Oleg is like a bigger version of Kingpin except he is a lot stronger because he knock cars around like they are nothing and can tank a lot of things too.

Well King Pin has dont that too in classic comics and has gone many rounds with Spiderman, won few lost many but well its spiderman. :)

@Pistolwhip1 said:

True, that is what I was thinking as well.
Especially the stag weapons and vehicles that they could get their hands on.

Problem is people will bring up the fact that punisher has a lot of feats, but from what i have seen most of his prep (of course not all) involves on getting his hands on powerful weaponary. If it was punisher with prep vs these guys without prep, i would totally be with everyone else and say Punisher stomps. But thats not the case, all they have to do is get hands on some weapons that is faster and hopefully more powerful than punisher has. And they should not sit on one place but be diversified in many locations, that way even if punisher takes one or two, which i think he will, the rest can avenge them by beating punisher. Its not like he has super speed or super reaction time, all they would need is to land one bullet and its all over for punisher.

I am actually favoring the Saints here.

Classic Kingpin has no feats that am aware of that includes flipping and knocking around cars with one hand that I know of....

#19 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

My level 50 character stomps :P lol

#20 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blob: Morphius_ posted scans last time. Ask him when u see him.

#21 Posted by PikminMania (4628 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blob said:

@Killemall said:

@Blob said:

Finally! Boss (your character) is a beast and he would have trouble with Gat and Oleg as well.

Haha/

Oleg is like a bigger version of Kingpin except he is a lot stronger because he knock cars around like they are nothing and can tank a lot of things too.

Well King Pin has dont that too in classic comics and has gone many rounds with Spiderman, won few lost many but well its spiderman. :)

@Pistolwhip1 said:

True, that is what I was thinking as well.
Especially the stag weapons and vehicles that they could get their hands on.

Problem is people will bring up the fact that punisher has a lot of feats, but from what i have seen most of his prep (of course not all) involves on getting his hands on powerful weaponary. If it was punisher with prep vs these guys without prep, i would totally be with everyone else and say Punisher stomps. But thats not the case, all they have to do is get hands on some weapons that is faster and hopefully more powerful than punisher has. And they should not sit on one place but be diversified in many locations, that way even if punisher takes one or two, which i think he will, the rest can avenge them by beating punisher. Its not like he has super speed or super reaction time, all they would need is to land one bullet and its all over for punisher.

I am actually favoring the Saints here.

Classic Kingpin has no feats that am aware of that includes flipping and knocking around cars with one hand that I know of....

He flipped and knocked around Spider-man. He even lifted something that was 10 tons according to Spider-Woman.

#22 Posted by Death Certificate (5438 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa said:

My level 50 character stomps :P lol

My Character with a Stag Tank :D

#23 Posted by spystreak (2063 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher uses Guerrilla tactics and stomps

#24 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@Death Certificate said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

My level 50 character stomps :P lol

My Character with a Stag Tank :D

When you are invincible you don't need tanks :P

#25 Posted by spystreak (2063 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher's journal feb 18th 2012

They had no idea of how I was going to go after them.

I came up behind the big one Bowie knife in hand and carved his throat before he could even whisper

next I took out three more using my suppressed HK416 ....the red dot sight and foregrip made it easier to get them from a distance now only the leader and the woman remained I manged to put my 416's last 3 rounds directly into his chest severing his aorta death was instant next the woman fired at me from below I managed to avoid her fire and jump from the ledge as I heard her gun click empty it's a good thing she was out of ammo or I would have been done for. while in midair I pull out my M1911 and put a 45 slug into her abdomen it doesn't kill her but it does knock her down as I use a grapple to stop my decent and make my escape....mission accomplished

#26 Posted by Blob (576 posts) - - Show Bio

@spystreak said:

Punisher's journal feb 18th 2012

They had no idea of how I was going to go after them.

I came up behind the big one Bowie knife in hand and carved his throat before he could even whisper

next I took out three more using my suppressed HK416 ....the red dot sight and foregrip made it easier to get them from a distance now only the leader and the woman remained I manged to put my 416's last 3 rounds directly into his chest severing his aorta death was instant next the woman fired at me from below I managed to avoid her fire and jump from the ledge as I heard her gun click empty it's a good thing she was out of ammo or I would have been done for. while in midair I pull out my M1911 and put a 45 slug into her abdomen it doesn't kill her but it does knock her down as I use a grapple to stop my decent and make my escape....mission accomplished

Interesting but there is no way "the woman" as in Shaundi would be the last one left if they lost lol it would either be the leader (you) or Gat.

#27 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9190 posts) - - Show Bio
@Blob said:

@spystreak said:

Punisher's journal feb 18th 2012

They had no idea of how I was going to go after them.

I came up behind the big one Bowie knife in hand and carved his throat before he could even whisper

next I took out three more using my suppressed HK416 ....the red dot sight and foregrip made it easier to get them from a distance now only the leader and the woman remained I manged to put my 416's last 3 rounds directly into his chest severing his aorta death was instant next the woman fired at me from below I managed to avoid her fire and jump from the ledge as I heard her gun click empty it's a good thing she was out of ammo or I would have been done for. while in midair I pull out my M1911 and put a 45 slug into her abdomen it doesn't kill her but it does knock her down as I use a grapple to stop my decent and make my escape....mission accomplished

Interesting but there is no way "the woman" as in Shaundi would be the last one left if they lost lol it would either be the leader (you) or Gat.

That is true, although there is one thing that might make that plan..rather difficult. 
I'm thinking since the Saints have three days of prep for this battle Kinzie would probably already have located Frank by hacking into Steelport street cameras like she tells your character about, that and the cell phones.  
So Frank should go for her first. 
#28 Posted by Vance Astro (91230 posts) - - Show Bio

The Punisher loses.....This is why.

1.There is way more Saint's then there is of Frank.

2.The Fight takes place in Steelport.The Saint's Territory.

3.It's impossible to account for what Frank could\would do with this much prep because MOST of the time he had prep..the outcome was plot driven.

4.The Saint's have access to alot of artillery.Not to mention the power of a member like Oleg.I don't know if Gat is in this fight because of something that happened in the SR3 (don't want to give spoliers) but the Saint's are skilled.They aren't pushovers individually.

5.If we take into account all the things you acquire by the end of the game...Frank can't do much of anything to a STAG tank.

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#29 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9190 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:

The Punisher loses.....This is why.

1.There is way more Saint's then there is of Frank.

2.The Fight takes place in Steelport.The Saint's Territory.

3.It's impossible to account for what Frank could\would do with this much prep because MOST of the time he had prep..the outcome was plot driven.

4.The Saint's have access to alot of artillery.Not to mention the power of a member like Oleg.I don't know if Gat is in this fight because of something that happened in the SR3 (don't want to give spoliers) but the Saint's are skilled.They aren't pushovers individually.

5.If we take into account all the things you acquire by the end of the game...Frank can't do much of anything to a STAG tank.

Hm, wonder how much better Frank would do if you took five out of the equation. 
#30 Posted by _Heart_ (200 posts) - - Show Bio

It all depeds on what weapons the saints have, if they have Apoca-Fists and Sonic Boom they'll probably kill Punisher.

#31 Posted by Project_Worm (3405 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I the only one who read the title and thought he meant these guys?? 

#32 Posted by Park (2976 posts) - - Show Bio

The saints have drone missiles. Kinzie could find where Frank is staying and they could bomb the hole block

#33 Posted by Vance Astro (91230 posts) - - Show Bio
@OmegaDynasty said:
Hm, wonder how much better Frank would do if you took five out of the equation.   
The outcome changes completely in Frank's favor.The problem is there isn't any real way to make this fair.At the point in any of the games where the Saints start carrying heavy artillery they are a force to reckon with.If you take them as they are at the start of any game Frank wouldn't even need the prep to easily murder all of them.Most members of the gang are unskilled.
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#34 Posted by Zauberin (4352 posts) - - Show Bio

They both have armory, and I can't help but remember all the laughs the saints gave me. Frank?

#35 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro: The STAG tanks aren't very powerful, they go down easily after a shot from the RPG.
#36 Posted by Vance Astro (91230 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
@Vance Astro: The STAG tanks aren't very powerful, they go down easily after a shot from the RPG.
They aren't very durable...but their power is something different.
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#37 Posted by Alice_Summers (1211 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP

#38 Posted by TheCowman (461 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank will take out a virtual army of gang members, destroy many of the Saints' businesses and break much of their hold on Steelport.

He fails to take out the "inner circle" however as they escape in a spectacular chase scene involving jetpacks, a motorcycle pursuit through a mascot convention, bungee jumping off a skyscraper, taking Christian Bale hostage and carjacking an ice cream truck, and using Oleg as a human torpedo to break into and hijack the Helicarrier.

#39 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

Shark Gun

That's all.

#40 Posted by Chaos Prime (10842 posts) - - Show Bio

See the search function does work at times :)

This imo is a classic encounter.Problem here imo for the Saints is Frank knowing who they are.They may have home field advantage but Frank with a sniper rifle is deadly.

His special ops training will help tons here for him just to blend into the back ground.

#41 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (10058 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I the only one who read the title and thought he meant these guys??

I did lol

#42 Edited by TheBournePoster (953 posts) - - Show Bio

The Punisher massacres these poor people.

#43 Posted by frogdog (3246 posts) - - Show Bio

The Saint's now have the US army.

#44 Posted by TheBournePoster (953 posts) - - Show Bio

He assassinates them.

#45 Posted by CF12793 (2992 posts) - - Show Bio

What's funny is that there's a reference to the Punisher actually existing in the Saints universe. If you go to Kinzie's apartment and look at all of the news clippings on the wall through a sniper rifle you'll see a news article about the Punisher. You'd have to do some work on how to find it but it's there. It's because the company that developed Saints Row is the same as the 2004 Punisher game. But really, I think that if the Punisher did exist within the same universe as the Saints he DEFINITELY would have come after them. I mean, a world famous gang who have their hand in every aspect of major crime? C'mon, it would be like Christmas for ol' Frank Castle.

As for the battle playing out, I would think that Punisher would win, but only using his prep. Given no preptime, he would lose. The boss has a healing factor and big Pun would need some heavy artillery to take him down. Then there's Oleg, who has superhuman strength and durability, it seems. I think the Punisher could win but just barely.

#46 Posted by DarkRaiden (7264 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on how far into the game and if gameplay mechanics matter.

If gameplay mechanics matter:

1. Level 50 boss is invincible to all but melee damage for some odd reason, yet still has super strength, infinite ammo, air strikes, missiles, rpgs, snipers, possibly apocafists, handguns with exploding bullets, smg, assault rifles, megaman busters, wind pressure guns, etc. not to mention grenade kamikaze cause they don't hurt him, oh and instant reload, Healing factor, infinite sprint, etc.

2. Oleg can take many, many, many, many bullets before going down and can launch cars like nothing

3. The Boss can revive his gang members

So Saints would stomp.

Outside of gameplay, they still have military tech (even tanks, regular tanks that can well tank RPGs and stuff), Vitols, Kinzie can help them ambush him, they have hundreds if nto thousands of gang members, and Oleg is still very powerful as is the Boss who beat Killbane hand to hand and other crazy stunts. Not to mention Burt Reynolds.

Saints still win but it's closer

#47 Posted by _Cerberus_ (3448 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on how far into the game and if gameplay mechanics matter.

If gameplay mechanics matter:

1. Level 50 boss is invincible to all but melee damage for some odd reason, yet still has super strength, infinite ammo, air strikes, missiles, rpgs, snipers, possibly apocafists, handguns with exploding bullets, smg, assault rifles, megaman busters, wind pressure guns, etc. not to mention grenade kamikaze cause they don't hurt him, oh and instant reload, Healing factor, infinite sprint, etc.

2. Oleg can take many, many, many, many bullets before going down and can launch cars like nothing

3. The Boss can revive his gang members

So Saints would stomp.

Outside of gameplay, they still have military tech (even tanks, regular tanks that can well tank RPGs and stuff), Vitols, Kinzie can help them ambush him, they have hundreds if nto thousands of gang members, and Oleg is still very powerful as is the Boss who beat Killbane hand to hand and other crazy stunts. Not to mention Burt Reynolds.

Saints still win but it's closer

In cannon the Boss is invincible he does have a healing factor in the cutscenes and so does Johnny Gat (regenerated from getting impaled with a samurai sword, he pulled it out and than killed every one with it) the Boss jumped off a airplane head butted the airplane he landed on and opened the hatch getting inside with no physical injury.

#48 Posted by Jonez120 (4324 posts) - - Show Bio

You can amp your saint up to where he becomes invincible to explosions,melee, and bullet damage. All you need is respect points and cash. You can also get infinite ammo for all guns and the Apocafist- Gloves you wear that instantly blow up anyone you punch. The saints also have fighter jets. Your saint can also get infinite sprint. Plus Oleg is superhumanly strong so he would help. Punisher is getting a spanking! (See what I did there?)

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