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#1 Edited by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio

 The Punisher 
 


                  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
VS 
 
John Rambo 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The fight takes place in a 30 mile section of the jungles of Vietnam. There is a river separating the two sides of the 30 mile radius. Each combatant starts on a separate side. 
The combatants have an hour of prep time  
 
Fight to the death
 
Weapons and Gear: 
 
The Punisher                              
Bowie knife    
 10 frag grenades    
A sniper rifle w/ 6 rounds      
2 claymore mines     
A pair of uzi's with a 2 reload clips each                   
1 RPG launcher with 2 rounds        
kevlar vest            
camouflage outfit                                                          
binoculars            
H2H   
 
  Rambo 
 Bowie knife 
3 land mines and 5 frag grenades 
Composite bow with a quiver of 30 arrows
 Net 
 AK-47 with 4 reload clips 
flamethrower with a single tank of gas (4-5 uses) 
kevlar vest 
camouflage outfit 
binoculars 
H2H 

Let the battle begin!
#2 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio

this fight is too awesome that it becomes a tie.

#3 Posted by BarelyAverage (1119 posts) - - Show Bio

They should totally do a cross over! Anyways I like rambo's chances with that Ak. Punisher could take him out w/ that sniper but at midrange rambo has to have the advantage.

#4 Posted by FALLENprophet (6586 posts) - - Show Bio

I think rambo has the advantage him being more familar with the area. 
#5 Posted by BarelyAverage (1119 posts) - - Show Bio
@BarelyAverage said:
They should totally do a cross over! Anyways I like rambo's chances with that Ak. Punisher could take him out w/ that sniper but at midrange rambo has to have the advantage.
That too. Punisher is adept at fighting in the jungle but yea, Rambo has homecourt advantage here IMO.
#6 Posted by Nefarious (22948 posts) - - Show Bio

They are both similar in many ways. I'll give them that. But, I believe Punisher is the superior ex-soldier here.

#7 Posted by BarelyAverage (1119 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
They are both similar in many ways. I'll give them that. But, I believe Punisher is the superior ex-soldier here.
He may be but not in this terrain...
#8 Posted by kadeem (2864 posts) - - Show Bio

This would be a good fight.  It would probably go on for a while but The Punisher would win since he has taken down superhuman opponents in the past.  I have respect for Rambo's skills but we have not seen anything from hi that suggest who could fair against the same odds that Frank has.

#9 Edited by BarelyAverage (1119 posts) - - Show Bio
@kadeem said:

This would be a good fight.  It would probably go on for a while but The Punisher would win since he has taken down superhuman opponents in the past.  I have respect for Rambo's skills but we have not seen anything from hi that suggest who could fair against the same odds that Frank has.

Rambo has taken on the vietcong single handedly. Thats an amazing feat itself.
#10 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38789 posts) - - Show Bio
Punisher.
#11 Posted by kadeem (2864 posts) - - Show Bio
@BarelyAverage said:
@kadeem said:

This would be a good fight.  It would probably go on for a while but The Punisher would win since he has taken down superhuman opponents in the past.  I have respect for Rambo's skills but we have not seen anything from hi that suggest who could fair against the same odds that Frank has.

Rambo has taken on the vietcong single handedly. Thats an amazing feat itself.
Your right, Rambo is amazing in his own right.  This battle I think would be one of the greatest struggles of Castle's life, but for me the fact that he has taken down superhuman opponents is what makes me lean in The Punisher's favor, rather than it being a stale mate.
#12 Edited by Nefarious (22948 posts) - - Show Bio
@BarelyAverage: True, this is Rambo's home...his playground...his territory. Ooooh, boy, Punisher better take this fight, seriously. Rambo is no joke. Also, Punisher better play this game right and step up his game.
#13 Posted by FortressoftheMoon (677 posts) - - Show Bio


This is one of the best standoffs on the battle forums. I am at a loss on this one. To be honest I can't decide. 
 
Punisher has the better marksmanship and knowledge of weaponry.

 

Rambo has better guerilla tactics and survival situation awareness.

 

Plus having an hour of prep time. I can't even image all the traps that would be set up around the battle area. Punisher goes somewhere to set up for snipe shot , oh look a punji trap. Rambo goes to hide underneath a bush, oh look he's in a claymore hotzone. 
 
I can't decide.

#14 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to admit, when the idea first crossed my mind I thought Punisher would trump pretty quickly but... 
 
Rambo is a master of guerilla tactics and is in a sense a more primitive Punisher. 
 
Both are Nam vets and are familiar with traversing and fighting in the jungle terrain. 
 
and with an hour of prep time, you know the booby traps will be ready for action. 
 
I honestly don't know 

#15 Edited by Youngcircle (392 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher

#16 Edited by GreenArrow789 (25 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I think Rambo would come out victorious.

#17 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher.

#18 Posted by Jake Fury (19269 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher was in Nam too. The terrain doesn't mean much. Punisher takes on superhumans on a routine basis. He takes the cake.  
 
Edit: They'd probably end up teaming up and laying waste to half of the Vietnam peninsula just for kicks.
#19 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio

Furthermore, to make this all a little more interesting,  
 
we all know that Rambo was a badass during his tours in Nam and quickly became a real thorn in the Vietcong's side, but Frank Castle also did three tours of duty and Nam and once killed an entire armed squadron of enemies by beating them to death and taking a good deal of damage in the process.  
 

#20 Posted by karrob (4264 posts) - - Show Bio

Im on the fence but im siding with Punisher. I agree that his track record of taking down superhuman opponents is impressive. It should not be overlooked.

#21 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio
@BarelyAverage: I completely agree that a crossover of this should be done. It would be fantastic. 
#22 Edited by GreenArrow789 (25 posts) - - Show Bio

Is that picture from Punisher: Born? That was a great graphic novel, and shows what a boss Frank was in Nam. However, I still think John Rambo has this battle in the bag.

#23 Posted by FortressoftheMoon (677 posts) - - Show Bio

I went thru this battle with some people at work and all of them are stumped. We even put 30 minutes of Punisher War zone and 30 minutes Rambo First blood pt II and Rambo III. We are still at a stand still on who would win.  
 
I would be scared to read a crossover deathmatch between the two. I would freak out if Rambo shot punisher with an exploding arrow or Punisher shot Rambo in the head with an m92 barrett.   
#24 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio

but rambo has several alter egos, if both of them are unarmed, rambo instantly transforms into rocky!

#25 Posted by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - - Show Bio

 
Whoever pulls the trigger first really. Coin toss.  
I'll vote Punisher.

#26 Posted by starkwood (237 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm like the 10th person in this thread to repeat this, but Rambo wins, simply because they're fighting on his terrain.  Skill-wise, I'd say they're both on par, the best the military has ever trained, and they both have nothing/nobody to go home to, so they don't necessarily fear death.  This would be a hell of a fight.

#27 Posted by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - - Show Bio
@starkwood said:


                    I'm like the 10th person in this thread to repeat this, but Rambo wins, simply because they're fighting on his terrain.  Skill-wise, I'd say they're both on par, the best the military has ever trained, and they both have nothing/nobody to go home to, so they don't necessarily fear death.  This would be a hell of a fight.

                   

               

They're not fighting on Rambo's terrain. Frank Castle is every bit as familiar with the setting as John. Frank first got his stripes running 3 tours of duty in Nam. There is not advantage for Rambo due to terrain.
#28 Posted by BarelyAverage (1119 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ramtha07 said:
@starkwood said:


                    I'm like the 10th person in this thread to repeat this, but Rambo wins, simply because they're fighting on his terrain.  Skill-wise, I'd say they're both on par, the best the military has ever trained, and they both have nothing/nobody to go home to, so they don't necessarily fear death.  This would be a hell of a fight.

                   

               
They're not fighting on Rambo's terrain. Frank Castle is every bit as familiar with the setting as John. Frank first got his stripes running 3 tours of duty in Nam. There is not advantage for Rambo due to terrain.
Rambo knows the terrain better. He lives there.
#29 Posted by starkwood (237 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Rambo lived there for many years, making money street fighting and catching venomous snakes.  There's no way Castle is as familiar with that environment as Rambo.

#30 Posted by not2baad (545 posts) - - Show Bio

its close but i say Rambo Ak is a deciding factor for me. 

#31 Posted by Ramtha07 (1291 posts) - - Show Bio
@BarelyAverage said:


                    @Ramtha07 said:

@starkwood said:


                    I'm like the 10th person in this thread to repeat this, but Rambo wins, simply because they're fighting on his terrain.  Skill-wise, I'd say they're both on par, the best the military has ever trained, and they both have nothing/nobody to go home to, so they don't necessarily fear death.  This would be a hell of a fight.

                   

               
They're not fighting on Rambo's terrain. Frank Castle is every bit as familiar with the setting as John. Frank first got his stripes running 3 tours of duty in Nam. There is not advantage for Rambo due to terrain.

                   

               
Rambo knows the terrain better. He lives there.

                   

               

I understand that. But it's still not logical to give him home turf advantage as the fight takes place in the jungle. Let me explain further; 
"There" just happens to be a big bloody place. They're fighting in the jungle, not the 'place'/town/city where Rambo lives.  
I live in Montreal. I sure as hell wouldn't have an advantage over someone else if we had to meet and do battle in the surrounding forests near and around Montreal. The person who knows survival in the bush best, tracking along with military tactics and training, is the one who'd win. Frank, who'd spent three years in those jungles (amongst other jungles and forested terrains throughout his career), knows the culture and nature of the land well enough to aclimatise. And he sure as hell knows survival in the bush. It's really not that great an advantage.
#32 Posted by progenitor (7533 posts) - - Show Bio

Due to the aforementioned fact that Castle takes on superhumans and heroes for a living, I think that gives him an edge in this.
#33 Edited by GreenArrow789 (25 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not gonna lie, this is one of the most split opinion battles I've seen, it's great haha.

#34 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio
@GreenArrow789:  Haha I completely agree
#35 Posted by BarelyAverage (1119 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ramtha07 said:
@BarelyAverage said:


                    @Ramtha07 said:

@starkwood said:


                    I'm like the 10th person in this thread to repeat this, but Rambo wins, simply because they're fighting on his terrain.  Skill-wise, I'd say they're both on par, the best the military has ever trained, and they both have nothing/nobody to go home to, so they don't necessarily fear death.  This would be a hell of a fight.

                   

               
They're not fighting on Rambo's terrain. Frank Castle is every bit as familiar with the setting as John. Frank first got his stripes running 3 tours of duty in Nam. There is not advantage for Rambo due to terrain.

                   

               
Rambo knows the terrain better. He lives there.

                   

               
I understand that. But it's still not logical to give him home turf advantage as the fight takes place in the jungle. Let me explain further; "There" just happens to be a big bloody place. They're fighting in the jungle, not the 'place'/town/city where Rambo lives.  I live in Montreal. I sure as hell wouldn't have an advantage over someone else if we had to meet and do battle in the surrounding forests near and around Montreal. The person who knows survival in the bush best, tracking along with military tactics and training, is the one who'd win. Frank, who'd spent three years in those jungles (amongst other jungles and forested terrains throughout his career), knows the culture and nature of the land well enough to aclimatise. And he sure as hell knows survival in the bush. It's really not that great an advantage.
I understand that the Punisher is familiar with the area to a certain degree. Rambo does not live in a big town or anything like that. He makes his living off the land. Its like in your city, you know it better than someone who spent a few years there as opposed to spending your life there. I'm not saying its a huge advantage but it still just might be the deciding factor.
#36 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio

So I reread Punisher: Born and would just like to note that Frank's platoon suffered no KIA's (Killed in Actions) until late in his third tour of duty when the ranks were overwhelmed and given little support from their useless and uninterested commanding officers. A particular soldier in the platoon noted that he had high hopes of surviving the war, all because he was under the command of Frank Castle.

#37 Posted by andre54 (333 posts) - - Show Bio
@progenitor said:
Due to the aforementioned fact that Castle takes on superhumans and heroes for a living, I think that gives him an edge in this.
yeah, i'm sorry but there's no way rambo is killing frank. the punisher would wreck him, even if it was his home turf. rambo kills idiot police officers and untrained asian soldiers. punisher dukes it out with members from the marvel universe.
#38 Posted by GreenArrow789 (25 posts) - - Show Bio

After thinking this over, I'm starting to think Punisher has the edge. Then again, Rambo is no pushover either.

#39 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio

savage fight,but john j rambo wins it for me,a wrecking machine when he gets pissed.  sorry frank,i love ya,but john j is a f-in beast of war. if marvel put him in the comics galactus would want him as his herald for sure,then john j would just kill him anyhow:-)
#40 Posted by Stompa (1336 posts) - - Show Bio

What a great battle i guess it is pretty impossible to tell how this would end. Of 10 "realities" there would be 10 different endings to this. A sniper shot to the head for John a magazin of Ak bullets to the chest for Frank.......both would lay great traps and would use all of their skills and wits. It´s a draw for me.

#41 Posted by Bucketz (821 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher should win in a good battle.

#42 Posted by Senturian (76 posts) - - Show Bio

IN THE JUNGLE RAMBO JOHN J. IS THE LAW.................. HES GOT THIS ALL DAY!!!!!!! :p

#43 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio

John Rambo should be on Spike's Deadliest Warrior haha

#44 Posted by andre54 (333 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedRobin92 said:
John Rambo should be on Spike's Deadliest Warrior haha
YES! haha, they should put some comic book characters up there too. i don't know how they would test for that but that'd be interesting. maybe one day they'll recreate this battle and we would have a definitive answer :P
#45 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio

A TV show that pitted different superheroes and super villains against each other based on their feats and their powers would be incredible.

#46 Posted by Mr. Dead Pool (2625 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedRobin92: Kinda like Deadliest Warrior? That would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!! Rambo and Frank are far to similar in terms of skill and ability. It may come down to a lucky shot.
#47 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr. Dead Pool: I couldn't agree more. And this whole battle thread has been fantastic, i think all of us would love to see this fight. 
#48 Posted by one_upper (1067 posts) - - Show Bio

Snake-Eyes trumps both ;)

#49 Posted by Mr. Dead Pool (2625 posts) - - Show Bio
@RedRobin92: I know I would!!! Also on a side note I always thought Stallone would have made a great Punisher 
#50 Posted by RedRobin92 (233 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr. Dead Pool: Haha yeah stallone could have easily played the Punisher in the 1989 version, no doubt.