#1 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

The Scenario: The Battle takes place in the Bat-cave. The Punisher and Batman have had 3 weeks to prepare, and he plants a massive bomb in the Bat-cave, and destroys half of it, killing Robin, Alfred, and Batgirl, and destroys the Batmobile, and most of his gadgets and suits, and also ruins Batman's plan. Because of this Batman is very angry, and forgets all about his "no killing vow". Both Batman and Frank are equipped with everything they need to kill one-another. Who wins?

#2 Posted by TheFlyingHammer (18 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll give it to Batman, Frank is very well trained but not quite as well as the Bat, Especially considering Batman's morals are off. I feel like it'd be a pretty easy victory.

#3 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11831 posts) - - Show Bio

............Spite.....this is in the bat-cave (half of it but still)....unless Frank has some night vision/infrared goggles, hes not gonna see a thing that happens to him before it happens and now its a blood lusted batman who lost everything.......overkill.....too much spite. Someone hates Castle.

#4 Posted by Beerhappy (283 posts) - - Show Bio

Without prep and Punisher armed to kill bats, and no bat prep, Punisher all day.

#5 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days I personally think Frank would win since Batman would probably be shocked at the explosion and any explosion that would destroy half of the Bat-cave would surely injure Batman. Punisher has lots of advantages here.

#6 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman almost certainly has this unless Frank brings some crazy unavoidable alien firearm to the game.

#7 Edited by The Stegman (23188 posts) - - Show Bio

whoa whoa whoa....so You're putting the Punisher against a very P.O'ed borderline Bloodlusted Batman WITH prep time?? you serious??

#8 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: Batman having prep doesn't matter. Everything he had set up as his plan was destroyed. Read the scenario.

#9 Posted by The Stegman (23188 posts) - - Show Bio
@XMen1963: Batman has more than one Batcave across Gotham, when one fails, he can go to another.
#10 Edited by Ancient_0f_Days (11831 posts) - - Show Bio

@XMen1963: Not all of his suits were destroyed y'know ........ Insider Suit FTW. Not to mention this is IN the bat-cave......Punisher won't see him like I said before.......Bruce is a master of shadow, unless Frank brings flood lights.....he still won't be able to see around well enough to catch batman off guard. Also, only the Bat-mobile was taken out, not the bat-pod, bat-jet, bat-sub, or bat-copter. Bat-jet owns with heat seeking missiles.

#11 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

#12 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: Not with Frank Castle opening fire on him

#13 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11831 posts) - - Show Bio

@XMen1963: you act like frank has superman eyes and can see batman as soon as he sets foot in the cave...........(-_-) that's not how it works

#14 Posted by jojjimbo (2472 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

#15 Posted by BigCimmerian (7863 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman stomps under these conditions

#16 Posted by DeadNightHero (121 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher is not quite as skilled a fighter as Bats, it think Batman gets this one.

#17 Posted by Shawnbaby (10457 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman will stalk and murder Punisher.

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#18 Posted by Doombot_666 (213 posts) - - Show Bio

If Batman had prep time, I doubt this scenario would even happen, but if did I'm thinking Batman knows the Batcave better than the Punisher does, even if it was half blown up. Batman would just lead him further in and ambush him from a range were Punisher's guns wouldn't mean much, and Batman's superior martial arts skills mean everything.

#19 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@Doombot_666: Punisher knows death punches and other kill moves. Plus he always has a knife. Bad idea for Bats to try and melee him.

#20 Posted by Doombot_666 (213 posts) - - Show Bio

@XMen1963: Punisher might be competent at H2H range, but he's no where near Batman's level. I don't think I've ever heard of Punisher taking out a viable threat without a gun, and even if he ever did, H2H is what Batman primarily does.

#21 Posted by gingerpenny (947 posts) - - Show Bio

Now this is a very equal fight and I'm going with The Punisher, but that is probably just the fanboy talking

#22 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher's beat Dr. Doom before. What's Batman got on this?

#23 Posted by Shawnbaby (10457 posts) - - Show Bio
@XMen1963 said:

@Doombot_666: Punisher knows death punches and other kill moves. Plus he always has a knife. Bad idea for Bats to try and melee him.

I think you have that backwards.Especially since Punisher just killed Batman's Father Figure and his son.
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#24 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

"Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe" doesn't count. It was a What If? A poorly written one at that. Using scans from it is worse then using scans from "Marvel vs. DC." And Batman wins this very easily. It's arguably Spite. By making Batman bloodlusted, you take away the only potential advantage that Punisher would have (which is that he'd be more likely to use lethal force). A bloodlusted, prepped Batman utterly destroys Punisher.

#25 Posted by Doombot_666 (213 posts) - - Show Bio

@XMen1963: What's Batman got on beating an incapacitated Doctor Doom with a hammer? How about any given situation in which Batman has defeated someone H2H? Incapacitating Doctor Doom with a magnetic mine and then beating him with a hammer (and not even killing him) is not a melee feat. It's more like a prep-time feat.

#26 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

Batman almost certainly has this unless Frank brings some crazy unavoidable alien firearm to the game.
#27 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11831 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP.....Bruce still has Frank beat.

#28 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman probably wins, but Frank is getting severely underplayed here.

#29 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3868 posts) - - Show Bio

This is what il play at Frank's funeral

#30 Posted by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman for the win. 9/10

#31 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman fan boys are the worst.

#32 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

We have a Batman, who's plan and toys are destroyed, can't "hide in the shadows", and doesn't have back up.. Fighting the Punisher. The military veteran, who is a master fighter, is getting to use his guns, and his plan is still valid? You people worship Batman like he's your own personal Jesus.

#33 Posted by Kinasin_ (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

@_Black said:

Batman.

#34 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11831 posts) - - Show Bio

@CaptainDoeo said:

Batman fan boys are the worst.

lol U Mad

#35 Posted by Typhion (622 posts) - - Show Bio

Bats has had 3 hours to determine Frank's weaknesses... he won't need tech, doesn't even need blood lust. On his home turf no less. Bats wins easily.

#36 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8423 posts) - - Show Bio

@gingerpenny: lol 3 weeks to prep..and you give the victory to Castle??

Batman wins,he's the prep god

@CaptainDoeo: You're the fanboy here.. just a little information about Batman to you

Bruce began his physical and mental conditioning when he was 11 and then intense physical training and weight lifting at age 12. He has mastered full body control by the time he was 18. Bruce Wayne, since the age of 15, has created a strict diet to enable his body to develop and operate at its most proficient, along with biofeedback treatments.

He has spent his entire life in pursuit of physical perfection and has attained it through constant intensive training and determination and engaged in an intensive regular regimen of rigorous exercise (including aerobics, weight lifting, gymnastics, and simulated combat) to keep himself in peak condition. at the age of 14 he forges letters to ''well-intentioned people'' don't steal his fortune and that he could leave Gotham City to get the training he sought and attended universities throughout the world (Biology, Technology, Mathematics, Physics, Mythology, Geography, & History, Criminal Science, Forensics, Computer Science, Chemistry and Engineering, Physics, Forensic Sciences, Medical Sciences, Advanced Chemistry and Technology, Expanded Computer and Engineering Sciences,Expanded Device Pool,Advanced New Development in Forensic and Medical Sciences),with 20 years-old Bruce settled in Washington and was accepted as a trainee at the FBI, learned all about applications of laws, statistical analysis, fill out reports, use of firearms and much more (he did not have the money to enter the FBI, test was physical and psychological),he stayed for 2 months.

Shortly after, he went to the mountains of Changbay to be trained by the master Kirigi, their training lasted almost a year and trained in martial arts and meditation,Yoga.... by others masters:Richard Dragon,Tsunemoto,David Cain,Chu Chin Li and many other,trained in hunting techniques by African Bushmen . The only ones teachers he paid to be trained,as Henri Ducard,Willie Dogget and Harvey Harris.

Now you want talk about training?? Bruce trained since his childhood. About fighting skills? He's master in 127 martial arts Other skills? he was trained by the best world's detectives,hunters,ninjas,sensei,killers,monks and african tribes.

No one here worshiped Batman,everyone knows what Batman can do

#37 Posted by CaptainDoeo (789 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: Mad enough to shoot Batgirl. @matchesmalone21: Listen to the conditions before you try insulting me, dude. Bats "stealth" wouldn't work due to the flames from the explosion, his plan is destroyed due to the explosion, and you REALLY think Punisher is gonna let him get close? You don't see how saying Batman will win easily is the slightest bit ridiculous? Really? Yeah, I'm the fanboy. Also, I wasn't downgrading Batman. I never said "Punisher is better at H2H than Bats!" I said, "He's a master fighter." Which Punisher is. Plenty are. Chill out.

#38 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@CaptainDoeo said:


                    @Ancient_0f_Days: Mad enough to shoot Batgirl.
@matchesmalone21: Listen to the conditions before you try insulting me, dude. Bats "stealth" wouldn't work due to the flames from the explosion, his plan is destroyed due to the explosion, and you REALLY think Punisher is gonna let him get close? You don't see how saying Batman will win easily is the slightest bit ridiculous? Really? Yeah, I'm the fanboy.
Also, I wasn't downgrading Batman. I never said "Punisher is better at H2H than Bats!" I said, "He's a master fighter." Which Punisher is. Plenty are. Chill out.

                   

               

Totaly agree. Punisher with Prep has taken down Dare Devil and Spidey, but oh no a Unprepared Batman with Punisher having Surprise on his side is a auto win for Batman? I just ... cant fathom... it...... nyeugh
#39 Posted by Erik (31693 posts) - - Show Bio

Trying to decide which character I like less. Probably a Batman win although it would not take much to convince me otherwise.

#40 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:


                   

Trying to decide which character I like less. Probably a Batman win although it would not take much to convince me otherwise.



                   

               
Well I love Punisher Max myself but here some Scan I collected thus far. 
 


Punisher easily KILLS not capture or left for police, he flat out kills which is easier Jester and Jack-O. 
 



Punisher holding his own in H2H with Dardevil himself. 
 


With Prep Punisher Wins! 
 

Punisher gets suprised by MoonKnight and yet ends this in a draw before Spidey breaks it up. 
 



He shoots of Spideys Webshooters in combat and then even proceeds to beat Spidey Down for a kill shot.  
 


Punisher gets Wolverine quite casually.... 
 

In this Marvel Knights that I got rid of... damn it..... has Frank and Wolvie randomly meet and battle it out, it was a Draw in the fact that Punisher couldnt kill Wolvie but kept Wolvie from killing him with nothing but a Knife. 
 
 
 
So Batman who is caught by Surprise against a Fully Prep Punisher still auto wins???? How is that????   
#41 Posted by Erik (31693 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

Well I am convinced. Batman is going down.

#42 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

We all know what Batman can do. Hes on par with Doc Doom on Prep and Caps lvl in H2H. 
 
What people dont know is what Punisher is capable of with Prep, No Morals to tie him down, Top Marksman he is, and hows he good at H2H on Dare Devil lvl.  
 
So Batman is caught unawares, has his plan blown up, and lost most of his stuff, and on top of that Punisher is still prep and ready to go!?  
 
Punisher is definatly taking wins here.
#43 Posted by The_Vamp_Knight (47 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman crashes down upon the Punisher like a wave of shadowy death. Batman has dodged Mr. Freeze's ice beams at close range and sub machine gun fire at close range. Batman closes any distance between him and Frank, outmaneuvers him and furiously shoves a batarang through his head.

#44 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@The_Vamp_Knight
Yeah cause so many villains and Gansters havent tried that before on Frank. Wolverine for example.....\ 
 
Its whatever. Batman Fanbase is way to huge to give Frank a shot, even under these EXTREME circumstances in Franks favore. Im done. The Scans and exploits speak for themselves.
#45 Posted by Kinasin_ (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

Trying to decide which character I like less. Probably a Batman win although it would not take much to convince me otherwise.

You base your opinions on which character you like or dislike?

#46 Edited by Kinasin_ (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

@XMen1963 said:

The Scenario: The Battle takes place in the Bat-cave. The Punisher and Batman have had 3 weeks to prepare, and he plants a massive bomb in the Bat-cave, and destroys half of it, killing Robin, Alfred, and Batgirl, and destroys the Batmobile, and most of his gadgets and suits, and also ruins Batman's plan. Because of this Batman is very angry, and forgets all about his "no killing vow". Both Batman and Frank are equipped with everything they need to kill one-another. Who wins?

The guy who has far better prep feats, and gadgets, along with skills.

#47 Posted by Erik (31693 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@Erik said:

Trying to decide which character I like less. Probably a Batman win although it would not take much to convince me otherwise.

You base your opinions on which character you like or dislike?

I had a feeling you developed a crush on me.

#48 Posted by Kinasin_ (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@Erik said:

Trying to decide which character I like less. Probably a Batman win although it would not take much to convince me otherwise.

You base your opinions on which character you like or dislike?

I had a feeling you developed a crush on me.

No need to troll. I was asking a serious question.

#49 Posted by Erik (31693 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

No need to troll. I was asking a serious question.

Perhaps you can take your own advice in other threads. And to answer your question, no. I do not.

#50 Posted by Kinasin_ (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@Kinasin_ said:

No need to troll. I was asking a serious question.

Perhaps you can take your own advice in other threads. And to answer your question, no. I do not.

Perhaps you can point out where I was trolling.