the presence vs living tribunal

fight in space

Presence(DC) = TOAA (Marvel) Them it's an outmatch

"Presence(DC) = TOAA (Marvel) Them it's an outmatch "

" Presence(DC) = TOAA (Marvel) Them it's an outmatch "

the presence= he toaa this is a stomp the presence stomps so hard the multiverse will break in two.
@___Living_Tribunal_22__: 
do not bump a thread to put lt wins he his not winning anyway he is geting stomp do not bump a thread just to post one word.

Think about this, man, the Living Tribunal, guardian of the Omniverse, facing a multiversal deity, who is, in fact, near omnipotent? The Omniverse comprises the DC, Marvel, Image, Dark Horse and every multiverse in comic book fiction. He might be above of them all. With the One-Above-All as the most powerful entity in the comic book fiction.   

the presence= he toaa

No he doesn't

The presence is more powerful but less brave than the tribunal!

The tribunal has stood agains how many universal threats?

 while the presence fled heaven when genisis was born

Genisis= presence

LT<<Thanos with HOU

and LT still stood his groundthe best he could, never ran away (could be because he has no feelings though).................

Things that go against the Presence's omnipotence:

He has an own opposite who is his equal in power: Great Evil Beast.

Both Lucifer and Michael have gone against his will.

There are mysterious, undefined forces above him, which he indeed said.

Michael and Lucifer = The Presence.

If he is omnipotent, then he sure don't have this weaknesses. I personally think that the GEB and The Presence are two sides of the same coin. And that coin, is the true Yahweh.

Things that go against the Presence's omnipotence:

 

He has an own opposite who is his equal in power: Great Evil Beast.

 

Both Lucifer and Michael have gone against his will.

 

There are mysterious, undefined forces above him, which he indeed said.

 

Michael and Lucifer = The Presence.

 

If he is omnipotent, then he sure don't have this weaknesses. I personally think that the GEB and The Presence are two sides of the same coin. And that coin, is the true Yahweh.

@___Living_Tribunal_22__: Lucifer and michael dont equal the Presence. Read Lucifer Veritgo. They do not. Together one of each lacks a ability the other has or needs. Presence stomps because of this weakness in both and handles both at the sametime. Exploiting there weakness. The presence is omnipotent. He just chooses not to interfere in the comics.  In the comics apparently he had evil in him which seems silly and he casted it out.....this in itself is bad writing because thats not omnipotence. TOAA is a writer for the comicbook world of marvel he can do anything. But seeing that there is a world where he lives in then he is just a smaller part of a grander world. Not omnipotence. I try not to think about it. Its flawed. You can have 2 omnipotent beings the result will always equal a tie. LT gets destoryed here.Your looking for holes and dont...just ignore them. Because its like the saying If someone is omnipotent can he make a rock he cannot lift? The question is a trap and it doesnt work because if he cant then he isnt truely omnipotent but if he does then he isnt omnipotent because he couldnt do the feat. This is a trap question that holds no ground because if something is omnipotent then he can only make something else just as omnipotent. Mean the rock will become infintely heavy but he will always be able to pick it up. Hence unlimited power! Making the Great Evil Beast can boil down to because he wanted 2. Same reason why he made the universe because he wanted 2. In the end he is the omnipotent being. So reguardless its doesnt matter. Its silly to look for scapegoats.

 He doesnt say he was created.....he says he was shaped by forces external to him. My guess is he is referring to Love...and emotions. Forces that made him the way he is...or so thats my take on it. But thats just one point of view...who knows what the writers mean by this you could be right 2.

 He doesnt say he was created.....he says he was shaped by forces external to him. My guess is he is referring to Love...and emotions. Forces that made him the way he is...or so thats my take on it. But thats just one point of view...who knows what the writers mean by this you could be right 2.

@OmegaDynasty: If emotions are universal why would a omnipotent being create? Unless the omnipotent force also has emotions. Again Presence is not saying he was created he says he was shaped. Now  If he was created by something else he would just say so....but it does imply different meanings. Still you cant make any connection to the Marvel U. As far as I see it the fight is a draw. Presence=TOAAI try not to think about it....it just becomes 2 silly. Because you will just have another presence to that presence and another writer to that writer. It is really silly if you try to break it all down. Until proven otherwise I wont read into it. lol Go for it if you think so...doesnt change the fact LT dies at the hands of the Presence. lol

No, it's not. You think it's more consistent because it has a semblance of hierarchy, but that's until you try to figure out where Abraxas. Chaos King, Sise-Neg, Nemesis, Star-Brand, Stranger, Heart of the Universe, Many-Angled ones, etc... Fit in it. Marvel has just as much tendency to make up new cosmic horrors on the fly without figuring out where what is. 
 
Btw it goes Death of the endless, Black Racer and Nekron.

Death in DC is the same as death in marvel all other aspects of death fall beneath her she ultimately is death. Yes the presence beats living tribunal badly.
 
the thing i don't get is why people thing he is not omnipotent i mean come on the guy splits himself into so many different aspects its not even funny (great evil beast, the source, the hand, the voice, etc) and the presence is still top why he does this who knows same way Toaa doesn't really solve the universe problems he lets others do it for some reason.

Things that go against the Presence's omnipotence:

 

He has an own opposite who is his equal in power: Great Evil Beast.  Not true, he was just an aspect of The Presence.

 

Both Lucifer and Michael have gone against his will.  As it's been shown, all part of his plan (or....will, if you will ;-)

 

There are mysterious, undefined forces above him, which he indeed said.  Like what?? If you make these statements, back them up, by saying who/what is above him?

 

Michael and Lucifer = The Presence.  Where is this written or shown?? Cause I believe a lot of people believe think this, but it is just opinion, that the two equal him!!

 

If he is omnipotent, then he sure don't have this weaknesses. I personally think that the GEB and The Presence are two sides of the same coin. And that coin, is the true Yahweh.

@OmegaDynasty: I don't understand how being created by another makes him weaker; it's quite plausible that, while "created," (even if this is quite vague) he is still omnipotent. He defines himself as infinite and eternal in the same panel.PS: The "Overmonitor" is more a concept than an actual, sentient being.

why do people make this thread? it's like insulting dc for comparing their god to someone weaker.

close this s**t, LT<<<<<<<<<prescence

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