Flagged. All have TP - Frieza never met anyone with TP, so he has not TP-resistance feats. Emma can reform - he can't take her down no matter what. Collossus also has Juggernaut's powers - he sooner or later will be completly immune to any damage. Mjolnir and Gladiator's HV wasn't enough to hurt them - Frieza barely has a chance to do any better.
Flagged. All have TP - Frieza never met anyone with TP, so he has not TP-resistance feats. Emma can reform - he can't take her down no matter what. Collossus also has Juggernaut's powers - he sooner or later will be completly immune to any damage. Mjolnir and Gladiator's HV wasn't enough to hurt them - Frieza barely has a chance to do any better.
Are you sure all of them have telepathy? For what I remember, the only one shown to use it was Emma, who had her TP augmented to ridiculously high levels by the PF. I could be wrong of course, but I don't remember the rest using TP.
But yeah, the P5 takes this, Emma could easily solo this without having to even lift a finger. And the rest could too, using them all together seems a little unfair.
@GonnaRain: Scott had TP. He was hearing people all over the world, so he teleported to the moon. Also having his little mental dinner with Emma during the final encounter. He also pushed Xavier out of his head. Emma and Namor apparently mind sexed eachother.
But that's pretty much it. Not anything like...real offensive from anyone outside of Emma.
@xeon1cs: Oh yeah, you're right. I forgot that one, which alone is quite an impressive TP feat. The others I didn't really took in consideration since I though it was Emma's doing all alone. Pushing Xavier out of his mind seemed more like TP resistance rather than telepathy, but still, you're right.
@XImpossibruX: Uh...Wanda beat him during their fight in Wakanda. He was wrecking everyone until that point. Just because he was getting knocked around doesn't really matter. He wasn't physically harmed by them.
Two users of the Phoenix Force. I don't see how that's relevant. Does Frieza have the Phoenix Force all of a sudden?
@XImpossibruX: Uh...Wanda beat him during their fight in Wakanda. He was wrecking everyone until that point. Just because he was getting knocked around doesn't really matter. He wasn't physically harmed by them.
Two users of the Phoenix Force. I don't see how that's relevant. Does Frieza have the Phoenix Force all of a sudden?
@xeon1cs said:
@XImpossibruX: Anything outside of Chaos Magic was 100% useless against them. Even at 1/5th.
No, but you said that anything that wasn't 100% Chaos Magic was useless. Even though physical and energy attacks have affected and harmed them.
Wanda beat Namor, but the Avengers were already pounding Namor
@XImpossibruX: Uh...Wanda beat him during their fight in Wakanda. He was wrecking everyone until that point. Just because he was getting knocked around doesn't really matter. He wasn't physically harmed by them.
Two users of the Phoenix Force. I don't see how that's relevant. Does Frieza have the Phoenix Force all of a sudden?
@xeon1cs said:
@XImpossibruX: Anything outside of Chaos Magic was 100% useless against them. Even at 1/5th.
No, but you said that anything that wasn't 100% Chaos Magic was useless. Even though physical and energy attacks have affected and harmed them.
Wanda beat Namor, but the Avengers were already pounding Namor
No one is soloing with only 1/5
But in that same scan, he easily brushed them off afterwards. He was shown to bleed, yes, but their attacks have no effect on him, not even a direct hit from Mjolnir. Same with the rest, aside from Chaos Magic, they were inmune to most of the attacks thrown at them. Emma's Diamond Form was shattered by Mjolnir and she still reformed herself. Wolverine pierced Scott's head with his claws and was completely ineffective.
Maybe not all of them could solo, but at least Emma could. And I'm pretty sure Magik could as well.
The Phoenix Five had like reality altering powers. They gave whales legs because they wanted to. I'm pretty sure if they wanted to, they could remove Frieza's arms, so they wouldn't have to deal with him blasting them.
@XImpossibruX: Uh...Wanda beat him during their fight in Wakanda. He was wrecking everyone until that point. Just because he was getting knocked around doesn't really matter. He wasn't physically harmed by them.
Two users of the Phoenix Force. I don't see how that's relevant. Does Frieza have the Phoenix Force all of a sudden?
@xeon1cs said:
@XImpossibruX: Anything outside of Chaos Magic was 100% useless against them. Even at 1/5th.
No, but you said that anything that wasn't 100% Chaos Magic was useless. Even though physical and energy attacks have affected and harmed them.
Wanda beat Namor, but the Avengers were already pounding Namor
No one is soloing with only 1/5
The P5 attacked often but it never had any effect other than staggering them, they came back from being blown up, stabbed in the heart, shot in the neck and shattered. Th only people capable of doing any lasting harm where those with a connection to the phoenix force other hosts, Wanda, Madeline and Hope
A Phoenix host has shown the ability of resurrecting itself at will with a tiny fraction of the overall force.
@XImpossibruX: Uh...Wanda beat him during their fight in Wakanda. He was wrecking everyone until that point. Just because he was getting knocked around doesn't really matter. He wasn't physically harmed by them.
Two users of the Phoenix Force. I don't see how that's relevant. Does Frieza have the Phoenix Force all of a sudden?
@xeon1cs said:
@XImpossibruX: Anything outside of Chaos Magic was 100% useless against them. Even at 1/5th.
No, but you said that anything that wasn't 100% Chaos Magic was useless. Even though physical and energy attacks have affected and harmed them.
Wanda beat Namor, but the Avengers were already pounding Namor
No one is soloing with only 1/5
i respect you as a DBZ fan so im not going to treat you as an idiot, c'mon dude i would say tanking hits from the thing, thor and rulk is a feat.
remember when gohan, a 5 yer old, laid a 10 second smack down on the second form freiza? that happened, it wasnt good EDIT: my point being everyone has a one second bad feat
also that scan doesnt prove namor was getting his ass handed to him, he was just getting overwhelmed from what i could see. and through out the entire comic it was that way. their strikes only bought time, only hope and SW actually did huge damage.
then again how did namor get defeated again? was it the avengers or hope/SW?
@GonnaRain: Scott had TP. He was hearing people all over the world, so he teleported to the moon. Also having his little mental dinner with Emma during the final encounter. He also pushed Xavier out of his head. Emma and Namor apparently mind sexed eachother.
But that's pretty much it. Not anything like...real offensive from anyone outside of Emma.
@GonnaRain: Any reason to believe Emma's telepathy was amped. In fact most instances actually point to the contrary, which is one question i asked Michael Bendis on formspring and he did not reply. Emma tried to TP Thor (in diamond form where he doesnt normally have access to TP) and fails yet Rachel and Prof X have no such problem. Emma tried to TP Red Hulk and she fails again, then Emma is unable to detect the existence of the kid (sorry dont know the name no a big fan of avengers academy) inside the Sentinel because TP damper in Avengers Academy can block her TP (yet Jean with PF has outright mindraped Juggernaut despite him having his helmet on), Prof X was able to mind control Emma alongside Cyclops but has problem doing exactly the same to Rachel who did not have Phoenix force.
Contrary to what it should have been Emma telepathy looked kind of weaker than what you would expect in AvX and i have no clue why.
@Killemall: Well, the TP barriers Dr. Pym had on the Academy didn't really "block" her TP, it was said by Hank Pym himself that she could've bypassed them if she wanted, but she just didn't realise there were any barriers to begin with, or something like that (but yeah, she should've had detected him from the start). Still yes, there were a lot of poor showings of her TP in the whole event, but there were some really good ones as well. Being able to read every mind in the world or also locate the Avengers while hiding on K'un-Lun were some good feats, at least in my opinion.
So, I still believe the PF somewhat amped her telepathy, at least in some parts, but I've to agree that it didn't at the same level it did with Jean Grey. And that she had some poor showings as well.
@GonnaRain: Any reason to believe Emma's telepathy was amped. In fact most instances actually point to the contrary, which is one question i asked Michael Bendis on formspring and he did not reply. Emma tried to TP Thor (in diamond form where he doesnt normally have access to TP) and fails yet Rachel and Prof X have no such problem. Emma tried to TP Red Hulk and she fails again, then Emma is unable to detect the existence of the kid (sorry dont know the name no a big fan of avengers academy) inside the Sentinel because TP damper in Avengers Academy can block her TP (yet Jean with PF has outright mindraped Juggernaut despite him having his helmet on), Prof X was able to mind control Emma alongside Cyclops but has problem doing exactly the same to Rachel who did not have Phoenix force.
Contrary to what it should have been Emma telepathy looked kind of weaker than what you would expect in AvX and i have no clue why.
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