The One Above All vs All

TOAA solos

TOAA snaps his fingers

I thought it was TOAA vs everyone, in which case he would just recreate the universe

In this case TOAA = The Presence, therefore it's a bad attempt at suicide or stalemate

@Jorgevy said:

I thought it was TOAA vs everyone, in which case he would just recreate the universe

In this case TOAA = The Presence, therefore it's a bad attempt at suicide or stalemate

Not really. TOAA (representing the writer) is a true omnipotent being. No other character in comics, including the Presence, it truly omnipotent.

As always, TOAA wins easily.

@WillPayton: yeah, but The Presence is the highest entity. I see them both as just ONE. Not separated. But I see what you're saying

@Jorgevy said:

@WillPayton: yeah, but The Presence is the highest entity. I see them both as just ONE. Not separated. But I see what you're saying

The Presence is one of the most powerful in DC, but not omnipotent. There's also the Great Evil Beast, and it was suggested that there's other powers outside of them. TOAA is the writer, so there's no character in the comics that can do anything to him. Even if there was a truly omnipotent character, TOAA could just make him not omnipotent.

I thought the presence was God in the DC universe, so it would be a tie between them

Stalemate between The Pressence and TOAA. Neither can destroy each other.

The One above All vs All

TOAA>Presence. He wins. The rest are useless.

@WillPayton said:

@Jorgevy said:

@WillPayton: yeah, but The Presence is the highest entity. I see them both as just ONE. Not separated. But I see what you're saying

The Presence is one of the most powerful in DC, but not omnipotent. There's also the Great Evil Beast, and it was suggested that there's other powers outside of them. TOAA is the writer, so there's no character in the comics that can do anything to him. Even if there was a truly omnipotent character, TOAA could just make him not omnipotent.

evidence of this?

Even if there was a truly omnipotent character, TOAA could just make him not omnipotent

All of these types of threads with TOAA and Presence are complete bullshit, they need to stop already.

@LONGTIME: Lmao at that pic

It's a stalemate if The Presence vs TOAA, but that's disregarding the other omnipotent beings of Marvel and DC.. Also, where's it say that The Presence isn't an omnipotent being? He's the God of the DC Universe. Don't forget Pre-Retcon Beyonder, especially teamed up with LT and Presence. All stomps TOAA.

@Jorgevy said:

@WillPayton said:

@Jorgevy said:

@WillPayton: yeah, but The Presence is the highest entity. I see them both as just ONE. Not separated. But I see what you're saying

The Presence is one of the most powerful in DC, but not omnipotent. There's also the Great Evil Beast, and it was suggested that there's other powers outside of them. TOAA is the writer, so there's no character in the comics that can do anything to him. Even if there was a truly omnipotent character, TOAA could just make him not omnipotent.

evidence of this?

@superboyprimeonejillion said:

It's easily a stalemate. The Presence vs TOAA, but that's disregarding the other omnipotent beings of Marvel and DC.. Also, where's it say that The Presence isn't an omnipotent being? He's the God of the DC Universe. Don't forget Pre-Retcon Beyonder, especially teamed up with LT and Presence. All stomps TOAA.

"Even I was shaped by forces external to me" = not omnipotent.

The Presence might be DC's version of the Judeo-Christian god, but even in the comics he's not omnipotent.

@WillPayton: those "forces" are a nod to the people at DC comics.... *sigh*

@kingkronos said:

The One above All vs All

TOAA>Presence. He wins. The rest are useless.

you can not prove it by any means.

TOAA = Presence.

It doesn't matter weather the others are in fight or not. The only character that can change results of this fight is MoM.

TOAA and Presence stalemate. Rest make no difference.

All versions of Supes, Hulk, Franklin, and the Beyonder die before they even register they wee in a fight.

Presence and TOAA stalemate. Neither can best the other.

That said, the Presence did get his powers stolen by a pair of giants, IIRC.

@Jorgevy said:

I thought it was TOAA vs everyone, in which case he would just recreate the universe

In this case TOAA = The Presence, therefore it's a bad attempt at suicide or stalemate

The Presence isn't Omnipotent, and thus loses.

@Mattersuit said:

All versions of Supes, Hulk, Franklin, and the Beyonder die before they even register they wee in a fight.

Presence and TOAA stalemate. Neither can best the other.

That said, the Presence did get his powers stolen by a pair of giants, IIRC.

Agreed. But did the presence get his power stolen by a pair of Giants?

@PrinceAragorn1: I believe they did, and they were galavanting about being gods (in their words). Lucifer beat them both.

NB: The smart one was scared of Luci.

@Mattersuit said:

@PrinceAragorn1: I believe they did, and they were galavanting about being gods (in their words). Lucifer beat them both.

NB: The smart one was scared of Luci.

Ok..

@PrinceAragorn1: I'll find the scans for you if you want.

TOAA has no power in the dc universe so its a stalemate.

@TheTmac said:

TOAA has no power in the dc universe so its a stalemate.

Doesn't take place in the DCU. Argument invalid.

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@Mattersuit said:

@PrinceAragorn1: I believe they did, and they were galavanting about being gods (in their words). Lucifer beat them both.

NB: The smart one was scared of Luci.

Ok..

My bad, Lucifer did have to trick them, but, yes, Presence (or Yahweh), got his power stolen by a pair of giants named Gyges and Garamas. Lucifer tricked them and killed them, which returned Presence's powers to him.

@Mattersuit: Doesnt matter Superman and The Presence are characters from the DCU so TOAA cant mess with them.

Stalemate.

@TheTmac: Yes, actually, it does matter. By that logic, there can't be any DC vs Marvel battles.

@Mattersuit: TOAA is pretty much Stan Lee he can only control the characters he made not charaters from the DC so he will have no power over them.

Why cant there be any DC vs Marvel battles?

@Jorgevy: Wow, writers are extremely arrogant.

@TheTmac said:

@Mattersuit: TOAA is pretty much Stan Lee he can only control the characters he made not charaters from the DC so he will have no power over them.

Why cant there be any DC vs Marvel battles?

Because no one from Marvel can do anything to anyone from DC. Your logic.

@Mattersuit: My logic?

All I said was that marvel writers cant use DC characters wich they cant.If Wolverine somehow comes to the DCU and decides to fight Batman he wont be breaking any infrigment laws.

@TheTmac: Let me see:

@TheTmac said:

TOAA has no power in the dc universe so its a stalemate.

This fight doesn't take place in the DC Universe. This point is irrelevant.

@TheTmac said:

@Mattersuit: TOAA is pretty much Stan Lee he can only control the characters he made not charaters from the DC so he will have no power over them.

You do know that the Presence can't affect any Marvel characters either by that logic? So Presence still loses.

@Mattersuit: WOW you didnt even read what i said I said it would be a STALEMATE since they cant hurt each other

@TheTmac said:

@Mattersuit: Doesnt matter Superman and The Presence are characters from the DCU so TOAA cant mess with them.

Stalemate.

@TheTmac: Except he can.

These threads never turn out nice. TOAA wins, I mean it's in his name.

@Mattersuit:Except he can? Thats your argument?

@TheTmac: Yes. When these inter-universe battles take place, it happens in a neutral universe where all combatants can affect each other.

@Mattersuit: It doesnt say that in the OP and even then its writer vs writer no one can win.

@TheTmac said:

@Mattersuit: It doesnt say that in the OP and even then its writer vs writer no one can win.

Battle Forum Rules. Did you even read them?

Besides, Presence isn't omnipotent, whereas TOAA is.

@Mattersuit: It doesnt say anything about them having to fight in a neutral universe where they can affect each other unless the OP specifies.

If they were to go to some magical universe where Stan Lee would get permission to use DC characters then he probably would win ill give you that.

@TheTmac: TOAA is not Stan Lee. It is an entity meant to represent Stan Lee's limitless control of the Marvel Universe, but it is not literally Stan Lee, and therefore, your argument is invalid.

Also, it is common knowledge that they do fight in a neutral universe where they can affect each other. The only exception is if the OP actively changes this.

TOAA wins due to actually being omnipotent, whereas Presence appears to be closer, IMO, to Pre-Retcon Beyonder.

@Mattersuit: How is that common knowledge???TOAA is meant to represent the writer as he is the only one that can be omnipotent since he creates the stories(I was just using Stan Lee as an example) so if they do meet up in this magical universe then yes TOAA would probably win otherwise its a stalemate.

@TheTmac: Because it has been stated in many many threads where the same (can't use powers in such and such universe) argument has been used.

Yeah, that was the point I was saying. He represents the writer, but is not literally the writer.

@Mattersuit: Ah I wasnt aware of this rule,it doesnt say anything about it in the Battle Forum rules.I agree that under these circumstances TOAA would win.

@Mattersuit said:

@PrinceAragorn1: I'll find the scans for you if you want.

No problem. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just found it interesting..

@PrinceAragorn1: It's actually a bit confusing.

Presence had "departed". He was "gone", although not dead. It specifically states not dead. Gyges and Garamas took advantage of that to take his power and proceed to smack down Lucifer in a straight fight. Lucifer, however, takes control of the portal they're using, and teleports them to the outskirts of Hell, instead of Heaven. He then sics a huge monster on the two of them.

Gallery

@Sniber said:

@kingkronos said:

The One above All vs All

TOAA>Presence. He wins. The rest are useless.

you can not prove it by any means.

TOAA = Presence.

It doesn't matter weather the others are in fight or not. The only character that can change results of this fight is MoM.

Yes, I can actually:

@WillPayton said:

"Even I was shaped by forces external to me" = not omnipotent.

The Presence might be DC's version of the Judeo-Christian god, but even in the comics he's not omnipotent.