@WillPayton: yeah, but The Presence is the highest entity. I see them both as just ONE. Not separated. But I see what you're saying
The Presence is one of the most powerful in DC, but not omnipotent. There's also the Great Evil Beast, and it was suggested that there's other powers outside of them. TOAA is the writer, so there's no character in the comics that can do anything to him. Even if there was a truly omnipotent character, TOAA could just make him not omnipotent.
@WillPayton: yeah, but The Presence is the highest entity. I see them both as just ONE. Not separated. But I see what you're saying
The Presence is one of the most powerful in DC, but not omnipotent. There's also the Great Evil Beast, and it was suggested that there's other powers outside of them. TOAA is the writer, so there's no character in the comics that can do anything to him. Even if there was a truly omnipotent character, TOAA could just make him not omnipotent.
It's a stalemate if The Presence vs TOAA, but that's disregarding the other omnipotent beings of Marvel and DC.. Also, where's it say that The Presence isn't an omnipotent being? He's the God of the DC Universe. Don't forget Pre-Retcon Beyonder, especially teamed up with LT and Presence. All stomps TOAA.
@WillPayton: yeah, but The Presence is the highest entity. I see them both as just ONE. Not separated. But I see what you're saying
The Presence is one of the most powerful in DC, but not omnipotent. There's also the Great Evil Beast, and it was suggested that there's other powers outside of them. TOAA is the writer, so there's no character in the comics that can do anything to him. Even if there was a truly omnipotent character, TOAA could just make him not omnipotent.
evidence of this?
@superboyprimeonejillion said:
It's easily a stalemate. The Presence vs TOAA, but that's disregarding the other omnipotent beings of Marvel and DC.. Also, where's it say that The Presence isn't an omnipotent being? He's the God of the DC Universe. Don't forget Pre-Retcon Beyonder, especially teamed up with LT and Presence. All stomps TOAA.
"Even I was shaped by forces external to me" = not omnipotent.
The Presence might be DC's version of the Judeo-Christian god, but even in the comics he's not omnipotent.
@PrinceAragorn1: I believe they did, and they were galavanting about being gods (in their words). Lucifer beat them both.
NB: The smart one was scared of Luci.
Ok..
My bad, Lucifer did have to trick them, but, yes, Presence (or Yahweh), got his power stolen by a pair of giants named Gyges and Garamas. Lucifer tricked them and killed them, which returned Presence's powers to him.
All I said was that marvel writers cant use DC characters wich they cant.If Wolverine somehow comes to the DCU and decides to fight Batman he wont be breaking any infrigment laws.
@TheTmac: TOAA is not Stan Lee. It is an entity meant to represent Stan Lee's limitless control of the Marvel Universe, but it is not literally Stan Lee, and therefore, your argument is invalid.
Also, it is common knowledge that they do fight in a neutral universe where they can affect each other. The only exception is if the OP actively changes this.
TOAA wins due to actually being omnipotent, whereas Presence appears to be closer, IMO, to Pre-Retcon Beyonder.
@Mattersuit: How is that common knowledge???TOAA is meant to represent the writer as he is the only one that can be omnipotent since he creates the stories(I was just using Stan Lee as an example) so if they do meet up in this magical universe then yes TOAA would probably win otherwise its a stalemate.
@Mattersuit: Ah I wasnt aware of this rule,it doesnt say anything about it in the Battle Forum rules.I agree that under these circumstances TOAA would win.
Presence had "departed". He was "gone", although not dead. It specifically states not dead. Gyges and Garamas took advantage of that to take his power and proceed to smack down Lucifer in a straight fight. Lucifer, however, takes control of the portal they're using, and teleports them to the outskirts of Hell, instead of Heaven. He then sics a huge monster on the two of them.
Log in to comment