It has been suggested that this Celestial is the most powerful If so, how powerful is he when considering the other powerful Celestials? And who could defeat him (other than Eternity, Death and the Living Tribunal)? Is there another Celestial more powerful? Could Galactus or the Phoenix Force defeat him?
My understanding is that he is normally the most powerful Celestial. The only one that might be higher is Scathan, but I'm not sure if he's canon, since he only showed up once and was a very stupid character.
As far as who beats him, I really don't know. I would assume he is pretty well above Galactus' normal power levels. Don't know about Phoenix. Also, while Death is the sister of Eternity, she's really never been portrayed as equal to him in power, as far as I'm aware. One Above All was one of the two Celestials who engaged Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet event, although that doesn't mean much, since he was beaten about as easily as everyone else (everyone who wasn't Eternity, anyway).
"My understanding is that he is normally the most powerful Celestial. The only one that might be higher is Scathan, but I'm not sure if he's canon, since he only showed up once and was a very stupid character. As far as who beats him, I really don't know. I would assume he is pretty well above Galactus' normal power levels. Don't know about Phoenix. Also, while Death is the sister of Eternity, she's really never been portrayed as equal to him in power, as far as I'm aware. One Above All was one of the two Celestials who engaged Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet event, although that doesn't mean much, since he was beaten about as easily as everyone else (everyone who wasn't Eternity, anyway). "
I would put Death above Eternity because she has dominion over death And over time everything dies or comes to an end. Even time itself. That would make Eternity effected by her power Bu that's just my thinking
I think Galactus (at full power and written by someone who understand what he represents) could take him Not sure about anyone else.
1.Galactus ftw 2.Whole Phoenix Force - curbstomp, WPOTC - stomp. 3.OAA - as other Celestials - is in my opinion close to Gaea's level. Maybe a little higher. P.S.4.I belive his name is One Above All (without "The")
"1.Galactus ftw 2.Whole Phoenix Force - curbstomp, WPOTC - stomp. 3.OAA - as other Celestials - is in my opinion close to Gaea's level. Maybe a little higher.P.S.4.I belive his name is One Above All (without "The") "
It's The One Above All Look at the scan above with Forgotten One The the is with a capital T
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If this Celestial is the most powerful, in my opinion he would be the most powerful non-abstract after Galactus. Being said, Galactus and higher would defeat him, but I can't think of anyone below that could. Maybe Tenebrous or one of the other Proemial Gods. Their power is said to rival Galactus. Maybe the Sphinx. When he gained the knowledge of the universe when he absorbed that computer was nearly a match for Galactus.
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@Thor's hammmer said:
"I thought the dreaming celestial was more powerful then him, and maybe exitar too. "
Unless something has changed and been officailly stated, the One Above All was said to be the most powerful during the Eternal/Asgardian Saga where Odin fought their judgement. He was the master of the fourth host which was suppose to be the greatest gathering of celestials.
"I thought the dreaming celestial was more powerful then him, and maybe exitar too. "
Unless something has changed and been officailly stated, the One Above All was said to be the most powerful during the Eternal/Asgardian Saga where Odin fought their judgement. He was the master of the fourth host which was suppose to be the greatest gathering of celestials. "
well I never new that was stated and in one scan Thor stated that Exitar surpassed the fourth host in power. and it was stated that Galactus feared the dreaming celestial.
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@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"I thought the dreaming celestial was more powerful then him, and maybe exitar too. "
Unless something has changed and been officailly stated, the One Above All was said to be the most powerful during the Eternal/Asgardian Saga where Odin fought their judgement. He was the master of the fourth host which was suppose to be the greatest gathering of celestials. "
well I never new that was stated and in one scan Thor stated that Exitar surpassed the fourth host in power. and it was stated that Galactus feared the dreaming celestial. "
Then it sounds like that he is not the most powerful anymore.
"I thought the dreaming celestial was more powerful then him, and maybe exitar too. "
Unless something has changed and been officailly stated, the One Above All was said to be the most powerful during the Eternal/Asgardian Saga where Odin fought their judgement. He was the master of the fourth host which was suppose to be the greatest gathering of celestials. "
well I never new that was stated and in one scan Thor stated that Exitar surpassed the fourth host in power. and it was stated that Galactus feared the dreaming celestial. "
Then it sounds like that he is not the most powerful anymore. "
but the dreaming celestial isn't even really a celestial anymore he ascended to the level of the being who all the celestials served the Fulcrum
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@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"I thought the dreaming celestial was more powerful then him, and maybe exitar too. "
Unless something has changed and been officailly stated, the One Above All was said to be the most powerful during the Eternal/Asgardian Saga where Odin fought their judgement. He was the master of the fourth host which was suppose to be the greatest gathering of celestials. "
well I never new that was stated and in one scan Thor stated that Exitar surpassed the fourth host in power. and it was stated that Galactus feared the dreaming celestial. "
Then it sounds like that he is not the most powerful anymore. "
but the dreaming celestial isn't even really a celestial anymore he ascended to the level of the being who all the celestials served the Fulcrum "
I just read that. So he wouldn't count. And before that he was part of the Second Host (a lesser Host that the one the One Above All reside over) And Exitar was larger but seem to serve one purpose and that was destory planets. He would serve Arisham and the One Above All. Not sure if that made him more powerful.
"I thought the dreaming celestial was more powerful then him, and maybe exitar too. "
Unless something has changed and been officailly stated, the One Above All was said to be the most powerful during the Eternal/Asgardian Saga where Odin fought their judgement. He was the master of the fourth host which was suppose to be the greatest gathering of celestials. "
well I never new that was stated and in one scan Thor stated that Exitar surpassed the fourth host in power. and it was stated that Galactus feared the dreaming celestial. "
Then it sounds like that he is not the most powerful anymore. "
but the dreaming celestial isn't even really a celestial anymore he ascended to the level of the being who all the celestials served the Fulcrum "
I just read that. So he wouldn't count. And before that he was part of the Second Host (a lesser Host that the one the One Above All reside over) And Exitar was larger but seem to serve one purpose and that was destory planets. He would serve Arisham and the One Above All. Not sure if that made him more powerful. "
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@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"I thought the dreaming celestial was more powerful then him, and maybe exitar too. "
Unless something has changed and been officailly stated, the One Above All was said to be the most powerful during the Eternal/Asgardian Saga where Odin fought their judgement. He was the master of the fourth host which was suppose to be the greatest gathering of celestials. "
well I never new that was stated and in one scan Thor stated that Exitar surpassed the fourth host in power. and it was stated that Galactus feared the dreaming celestial. "
Then it sounds like that he is not the most powerful anymore. "
but the dreaming celestial isn't even really a celestial anymore he ascended to the level of the being who all the celestials served the Fulcrum "
I just read that. So he wouldn't count. And before that he was part of the Second Host (a lesser Host that the one the One Above All reside over) And Exitar was larger but seem to serve one purpose and that was destory planets. He would serve Arisham and the One Above All. Not sure if that made him more powerful. "
"I thought the dreaming celestial was more powerful then him, and maybe exitar too. "
Unless something has changed and been officailly stated, the One Above All was said to be the most powerful during the Eternal/Asgardian Saga where Odin fought their judgement. He was the master of the fourth host which was suppose to be the greatest gathering of celestials. "
well I never new that was stated and in one scan Thor stated that Exitar surpassed the fourth host in power. and it was stated that Galactus feared the dreaming celestial. "
Then it sounds like that he is not the most powerful anymore. "
but the dreaming celestial isn't even really a celestial anymore he ascended to the level of the being who all the celestials served the Fulcrum "
I just read that. So he wouldn't count. And before that he was part of the Second Host (a lesser Host that the one the One Above All reside over) And Exitar was larger but seem to serve one purpose and that was destory planets. He would serve Arisham and the One Above All. Not sure if that made him more powerful. "
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@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"I thought the dreaming celestial was more powerful then him, and maybe exitar too. "
Unless something has changed and been officailly stated, the One Above All was said to be the most powerful during the Eternal/Asgardian Saga where Odin fought their judgement. He was the master of the fourth host which was suppose to be the greatest gathering of celestials. "
well I never new that was stated and in one scan Thor stated that Exitar surpassed the fourth host in power. and it was stated that Galactus feared the dreaming celestial. "
Then it sounds like that he is not the most powerful anymore. "
but the dreaming celestial isn't even really a celestial anymore he ascended to the level of the being who all the celestials served the Fulcrum "
I just read that. So he wouldn't count. And before that he was part of the Second Host (a lesser Host that the one the One Above All reside over) And Exitar was larger but seem to serve one purpose and that was destory planets. He would serve Arisham and the One Above All. Not sure if that made him more powerful. "
He couldn't be as powerful as all of them because just the members of the second host defeated and exiled him. "
my bad almost as powerful thats why it took his entire host to beat him "
And I wouldn't put much weight behind that illustration with Thor. Much of it contradicts. Like him stating that the Destroyer could destroy Galactus but then states how the Celestials easily defeated it with the addition of patheon skyfathers who mobilized it.
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@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha: he doesn't state the Destroyer could destroy Galactus he Questions if Galactus would employ the destroyer if it could destroy Galactus. "
You are right but the question itself causes a problem. He wonder's if Galactus would as if there was still a maybe that the Destroyer could destroy Galactus. And then to question if A fully powered Galactus could defeat Odin. Thor (through the writer) seems to be implying some redundant questions. I think a great testament o the One Above All power is that he was chosen by the Living Tribunal to fight Thanos when he had the Infinity Gauntlet.
"@Alpha: he doesn't state the Destroyer could destroy Galactus he Questions if Galactus would employ the destroyer if it could destroy Galactus. "
You are right but the question itself causes a problem. He wonder's if Galactus would as if there was still a maybe that the Destroyer could destroy Galactus. And then to question if A fully powered Galactus could defeat Odin. Thor (through the writer) seems to be implying some redundant questions. I think a great testament o the One Above All power is that he was chosen by the Living Tribunal to fight Thanos when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. "
in the past Galactus's prigin hadn't been fully established or the limits of his power tested. and yes that is yrue but who acctually picked who was battleing Thanos? I didn't know it was the LT
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@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha: he doesn't state the Destroyer could destroy Galactus he Questions if Galactus would employ the destroyer if it could destroy Galactus. "
You are right but the question itself causes a problem. He wonder's if Galactus would as if there was still a maybe that the Destroyer could destroy Galactus. And then to question if A fully powered Galactus could defeat Odin. Thor (through the writer) seems to be implying some redundant questions. I think a great testament o the One Above All power is that he was chosen by the Living Tribunal to fight Thanos when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. "
in the past Galactus's prigin hadn't been fully established or the limits of his power tested. and yes that is yrue but who acctually picked who was battleing Thanos? I didn't know it was the LT "
It was either the Living Tribunal or Eternity. I can't remember exactly. And in the past Galactus power was more established then than now. When you examine his early power as described by Richards. When the Sphinx became an galactic threat, it was Galactus that put a end to him. And another problem I have is Thor questioning the power of the Beyonder. I know it was late change to him being a Cosmic Cube but before he was something greater. Thor states that the Beyonder destroying a galaxy may have been an illusion but the Beyonder easy repelled Galactus and was easy defeating Doom who stole Galactus's power. He was also confronted by the Molecule Man who at the time was considered the mightiest in the Marvel Universe and stood toe to toe with him.
"@Alpha: he doesn't state the Destroyer could destroy Galactus he Questions if Galactus would employ the destroyer if it could destroy Galactus. "
You are right but the question itself causes a problem. He wonder's if Galactus would as if there was still a maybe that the Destroyer could destroy Galactus. And then to question if A fully powered Galactus could defeat Odin. Thor (through the writer) seems to be implying some redundant questions. I think a great testament o the One Above All power is that he was chosen by the Living Tribunal to fight Thanos when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. "
in the past Galactus's prigin hadn't been fully established or the limits of his power tested. and yes that is yrue but who acctually picked who was battleing Thanos? I didn't know it was the LT "
It was either the Living Tribunal or Eternity. I can't remember exactly. And in the past Galactus power was more established then than now. When you examine his early power as described by Richards. When the Sphinx became an galactic threat, it was Galactus that put a end to him. And another problem I have is Thor questioning the power of the Beyonder. I know it was late change to him being a Cosmic Cube but before he was something greater. Thor states that the Beyonder destroying a galaxy may have been an illusion but the Beyonder easy repelled Galactus and was easy defeating Doom who stole Galactus's power. He was also confronted by the Molecule Man who at the time was considered the mightiest in the Marvel Universe and stood toe to toe with him. "
at that point Beyonder and Molecule man had both been retconned.
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@NeonNemesis said:
"Are we counting just Marvel characters or also DC? Also wasn't the Celestial TOAA the leader of them, but not the strongest? Wasn't that Exitar's "title"? "
Not sure. He was the largest and was used to destroy planets. He would sit for millions of years gathering his energy for these talk. But I'm not sure if that made him strongest. Thor cracked a small hole in his armor once but couldn't begin to damage the OAA. Odin weilding the Destroyer armor with the other skyfathers aand carrying the Odin Sword couldn't not damage him.
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@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha: he doesn't state the Destroyer could destroy Galactus he Questions if Galactus would employ the destroyer if it could destroy Galactus. "
You are right but the question itself causes a problem. He wonder's if Galactus would as if there was still a maybe that the Destroyer could destroy Galactus. And then to question if A fully powered Galactus could defeat Odin. Thor (through the writer) seems to be implying some redundant questions. I think a great testament o the One Above All power is that he was chosen by the Living Tribunal to fight Thanos when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. "
in the past Galactus's prigin hadn't been fully established or the limits of his power tested. and yes that is yrue but who acctually picked who was battleing Thanos? I didn't know it was the LT "
It was either the Living Tribunal or Eternity. I can't remember exactly. And in the past Galactus power was more established then than now. When you examine his early power as described by Richards. When the Sphinx became an galactic threat, it was Galactus that put a end to him. And another problem I have is Thor questioning the power of the Beyonder. I know it was late change to him being a Cosmic Cube but before he was something greater. Thor states that the Beyonder destroying a galaxy may have been an illusion but the Beyonder easy repelled Galactus and was easy defeating Doom who stole Galactus's power. He was also confronted by the Molecule Man who at the time was considered the mightiest in the Marvel Universe and stood toe to toe with him. "
at that point Beyonder and Molecule man had both been retconned. "
yes, but Thor make mention of the galaxy destroying feat. That feat happen at the same time as the Beyonder defeating Galactus easily and then a Galactus empowered Doom.
Thor damages other celestials in his battle with the celestials, and The asgardian powered destrpyer never saw the OAA so we don't know if he could damage him.
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@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha: Thor damages other celestials in his battle with the celestials, and The asgardian powered destrpyer never saw the OAA so we don't know if he could damage him. "
But Thor didn't damage the OAA and the Destroyer didn't damage Celestials that were weaker than the OAA because it was the Fourth Host that it fought and the OAA were over them.
"@Alpha: Thor damages other celestials in his battle with the celestials, and The asgardian powered destrpyer never saw the OAA so we don't know if he could damage him. "
But Thor didn't damage the OAA and the Destroyer didn't damage Celestials that were weaker than the OAA because it was the Fourth Host that it fought and the OAA were over them. "
actually the destroyer damaged the celestials it fought they just regenerated so it could have been able to damage the OAA but he would have regenerated
"Are we counting just Marvel characters or also DC? Also wasn't the Celestial TOAA the leader of them, but not the strongest? Wasn't that Exitar's "title"? "
Not sure. He was the largest and was used to destroy planets. He would sit for millions of years gathering his energy for these talk. But I'm not sure if that made him strongest. Thor cracked a small hole in his armor once but couldn't begin to damage the OAA. Odin weilding the Destroyer armor with the other skyfathers aand carrying the Odin Sword couldn't not damage him. "
I think he only gathered the energy for the battle with the watchers. I don't think Thor ever faced OAA in combat, could be wrong on this, but IIRC when he cracked a small hole in Exitar he used his belt of strenght and a godblast and the result was the hole and both the belt and Mjolnir broken.
@NeonNemesis: Thor did face OAA in combat, he cracked a whole in exitars armor with a strike from his hammer when he was wearing the BOS. He blew open Exitars brain Dome with the Godblast that also shattered Mjolneir.
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@NeonNemesis said:
"@Alpha said:
"@NeonNemesis said:
"Are we counting just Marvel characters or also DC? Also wasn't the Celestial TOAA the leader of them, but not the strongest? Wasn't that Exitar's "title"? "
Not sure. He was the largest and was used to destroy planets. He would sit for millions of years gathering his energy for these talk. But I'm not sure if that made him strongest. Thor cracked a small hole in his armor once but couldn't begin to damage the OAA. Odin weilding the Destroyer armor with the other skyfathers aand carrying the Odin Sword couldn't not damage him. "
I think he only gathered the energy for the battle with the watchers. I don't think Thor ever faced OAA in combat, could be wrong on this, but IIRC when he cracked a small hole in Exitar he used his belt of strenght and a godblast and the result was the hole and both the belt and Mjolnir broken. "
Tho rfaced the OAA after he defeated the Forgotten one who was his herald. See Thor #285-87
@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha said:
"@Thor's hammmer said:
"@Alpha: Thor damages other celestials in his battle with the celestials, and The asgardian powered destrpyer never saw the OAA so we don't know if he could damage him. "
But Thor didn't damage the OAA and the Destroyer didn't damage Celestials that were weaker than the OAA because it was the Fourth Host that it fought and the OAA were over them. "
actually the destroyer damaged the celestials it fought they just regenerated so it could have been able to damage the OAA but he would have regenerated "
There was no seen damage that I remember. It has been a while but I recall he stabbed one who withdrew the sword. What do you remember?
actually the destroyer damaged the celestials it fought they just regenerated so it could have been able to damage the OAA but he would have regenerated " There was no seen damage that I remember. It has been a while but I recall he stabbed one who withdrew the sword. What do you remember? "
he cut one of there arms off, although it regenerated. Thor picked up the Odinsword after the destroyer fell and through it through arsheim.
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"I dont think you guys understand the concept of TOAA, its just the comic book author manifested into ink. meaning NOTHING is about him. "
You are talking about the THE ONE ABOVE ALL who is the creator of the Marvel Universe and suppose to be Stan Lee. The Living Tribunal works for him. We are talking about the Celestial One Above All. They are not the same character.
" It has been suggested that this Celestial is the most powerful If so, how powerful is he when considering the other powerful Celestials? And who could defeat him (other than Eternity, Death and the Living Tribunal)? Is there another Celestial more powerful? Could Galactus or the Phoenix Force defeat him?
He is the leader of the celestials, not the most powerful one. Scathan the Approver and Tiamut the Communicator/Renegade Celestial are both more powerful than he is. Maybe Exitar the Exterminator as well, but that one is completely baseless.
" It has been suggested that this Celestial is the most powerful If so, how powerful is he when considering the other powerful Celestials? And who could defeat him (other than Eternity, Death and the Living Tribunal)? Is there another Celestial more powerful? Could Galactus or the Phoenix Force defeat him?
He is the leader of the celestials, not the most powerful one. Scathan the Approver and Tiamut the Communicator/Renegade Celestial are both more powerful than he is. Maybe Exitar the Exterminator as well, but that one is completely baseless. "
Im still not sure how people find Scathan powerful, he dosnet have feats for being strong just feats for being a good desicion maker. The Protege arc was complete PIS also. Exitar is in the running for top? I never knew he was strong.
" @daak1212: He defeated the Protege who was more powerful than the Living Tribunal. That's proof enough for me. "
No he said that LT now had the go ahead to take out Protege. At first Protege dominated LT but as soon as Scathan gave the thumbs up LT stomped Protege who was supposed to be the next in line for TOAA
The Protege said something which was not approved by Scathan, so he gave him the thumbs down. Then he put a muzzle on him (off-panel) which negated his powers. T'was then that the LT absorbed his ass.
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@RiseofApocalypse:
That is the worst form of writting to me. No one would have power over the Living Tribunal but TOAA. Any writer who puts down anything else is clearly not going with the way things are. I hate when they make changes just for a story that doesn't matter.
@Alpha: It's even more stupid when you consider that Scathan's role is to approve or disapprove, but Living Tribunal already has the role of judging things, effectively making Scathan's purpose completely redundant. They basically pulled a new absurdly powerful character from out of nowhere to do what the Tribunal should be doing anyway. Terrible, terrible writing.
" @Alpha: It's even more stupid when you consider that Scathan's role is to approve or disapprove, but Living Tribunal already has the role of judging things, effectively making Scathan's purpose completely redundant. They basically pulled a new absurdly powerful character from out of nowhere to do what the Tribunal should be doing anyway. Terrible, terrible writing. "
Im with you both on this The Living Tribunal's role is judge He is the right hand man of The One Above All He enforces his will His will stopped the Infinity Gauntlet from working What power would be greater the LT's other than the power behind him
@StrongestOneThereIs: Theres one guy thats called one above all (Celestial) And one thats called The One above all and also know as the god of marvel but the
Celestial isnt god so galactus and phoenix can kill the Celestial ok?
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