The Military VS Superheroes

Let's face it guys...with few exceptions, our modern military could lay waste to most superheroes. Exceptions are the overpowered ones...don't get me started on those. : (

Here is the battle situation:

4 Fighter jets. 4 Attack Helicopters. 4 Tanks. 4 Nuke armed bombers (last resort)

Infantry: 30 Marines armed with automatic rifles, 10 of them have rocket launchers.

VS

Spiderman

Batman (don't tell me Bat's gonna out prep this, his cannon fodder here, he gets 10 minutes prep, long enough to put on his insider suit if needed; no mega weapon allowed.)

Miss Marvel (i now she's tough, but if punches can take her down from hulk, then what I tell you, will a nuke or missile do? She is not Wonder Woman)

Iron Man (from the movie, I really think he's done for here too, he's never had to face this mess before)

Mr Freeze (he is here as an extra, he will no doubt be cannon fodder)

Poison Ivy (tough lady, but if Bats can put her down, what will the military do?)

Location: Sahara desert.

Fact: Military knows all about what the superheroes can do.

If you even say the heroes take this, you really need to explain how. If you think this is overkill, tell how to even it up. Even then, my point is..there is a reason why super villains rely on exotic weaponry rather than just guns all the time. Because guns and missiles are more lethal. And they would kill off the heroes too early to make any money comic books.

@lorbo said:

Let's face it guys...with few exceptions, our modern military could lay waste to most superheroes. Exceptions are the overpowered ones...don't get me started on those. : (

Here is the battle situation:

4 Fighter jets. 4 Attack Helicopters. 4 Tanks. 4 Nuke armed bombers (last resort)

Infantry: 30 Marines armed with automatic rifles, 10 of them have rocket launchers.

VS

Spiderman

Batman (don't tell me Bat's gonna out prep this, his cannon fodder here, he gets 10 minutes prep, long enough to put on his insider suit if needed; no mega weapon allowed.)

Miss Marvel (i now she's tough, but if punches can take her down from hulk, then what I tell you, will a nuke or missile do? She is not Wonder Woman)

Iron Man (from the movie, I really think he's done for here too, he's never had to face this mess before)

Mr Freeze (he is here as an extra, he will no doubt be cannon fodder)

Poison Ivy (tough lady, but if Bats can put her down, what will the military do?)

Location: Sahara desert.

Fact: Military knows all about what the superheroes can do.

If you even say the heroes take this, you really need to explain how. If you think this is overkill, tell how to even it up. Even then, my point is..there is a reason why super villains rely on exotic weaponry rather than just guns all the time. Because guns and missiles are more lethal. And they would kill off the heroes too early to make any money comic books.

Ms Marvel:

Energy Absorption: Ms. Marvel has the ability to absorb a wide variety of energy and utilize it to further augment her own super-strength, speed, invulnerability, energy projection, and other powers. This ability was not present before Carol became Binary, and could be an after-effect of having once been Binary (as Binary, Carol could absorb and wield energy equivalent to that of a binary star system). Extremely high-energy attacks may eventually overload Carol's absorbing ability, but she has shown that she can absorb and utilize energy up to the magnitude of a nuclear explosion. Carol has also shown an ability to absorb magical energy (though not without consequence), recently demonstrated when she helped Doctor Strange defeat a formidable magic-wielding villain named Warren Traveler.

Batman+prep= he solos.

@Shawnbaby

So you know the military is aware of this right? They will just nuke the area with 8 nukes. Game over. That's assuming bullets won't work, and apparently you'll need more than that for the overpowered Miss Marvel.

@Qpzmg What in the world is he gonna do in ten minutes besides get his Insider Suit? He can't call Supes or the JLA for help her. He's a dead man.

If you remove MM military wins they'll just gone nuke all of them but with her she can solo.

Ironman can solo.

The 30 marines are just whacked here, their bullets cant penetrate his armor or even their rocket launchers (IRON MAN 2).

Those jets are whacked too, he's faster than those (well depending what model) and gets rip by his lasers.

The helicopters aren't that fast to maneuver in the air.

He would catch one of the nuke and drop it to the military ( like what he did inAvengers).

Superheroes.

Do you really think our highly trained military wouldn't have a contingency plan?

They usually do. Don't you think that they can peg Iron man? He is using his suit that he fought the terrorists with in the first movie. He got shot down by a tank for crying out lout! The jets and the nukes would do far worse.

Superheroes

Ha. Fanboys are Superheroes guardian angels. Nuff said.

Extremely high-energy attacks may eventually overload Carol's absorbing ability, but she has shown that she can absorb and utilize energy up to the magnitude of a nuclear explosion.

Overload her and she is going down. She has not been shown to take the force of multiple nukes, just one.

@Ferro Vida

@lorbo said:

@Shawnbaby

So you know the military is aware of this right? They will just nuke the area with 8 nukes. Game over. That's assuming bullets won't work, and apparently you'll need more than that for the overpowered Miss Marvel.

And Captain (she doesn't go by Ms anymore) Marvel can easily clear the area (and all the heroes in it) before the nukes drop...rendering your "Last Resort" strike useless.

@lorbo said:

Do you really think our highly trained military wouldn't have a contingency plan?

They usually do. Don't you think that they can peg Iron man? He is using his suit that he fought the terrorists with in the first movie. He got shot down by a tank for crying out lout! The jets and the nukes would do far worse.

And look how much damage that tank did to him...

oh yeah...none at all...just scratched up the paint a bit. His missile on the other hand...BOOM no more tanky.

@Shawnbaby said:

@lorbo said:

@Shawnbaby

So you know the military is aware of this right? They will just nuke the area with 8 nukes. Game over. That's assuming bullets won't work, and apparently you'll need more than that for the overpowered Miss Marvel.

And Captain (she doesn't go by Ms anymore) Marvel can easily clear the area (and all the heroes in it) before the nukes drop...rendering your "Last Resort" strike useless.

So how in the world do you put Marvel down!? The military wants to know. Do they have anything that can do it? Don't tell me Wolverine's adamantium claws are the only hope (I hope not, because that's just lame).

Are you saying the only way kill Marvel is to create a Hulk to beat her down. All our modern tech is useless? Nothing works? That is sad...

Let's see here...

Batman has his AI/Remote Controlled Bat-Plane, Bat-Boat, Bat-Helicopter, Batmobile, Batmotank, Batmobike; so that's a decent support system. Plus his insider suit which can take the brunt of a missile blast (plus its actual abilities); and his typical gear: projectile explosives, projectile devices that overload electronic devices, cryo capsules, incindiary devices, EMP devices, stun/smoke/incindiary/freeze grenades, etc.

Ironman: Tank missiles, supersonic speed with great mobility, can take tank hits , unibeam, repulser beams, auto-targetting and guns, can tank the explosion of missiles, flares, can take fighter-jet bullets, able to tank hits from Thor, etc.

Those two have the firepower and skills to take the troops, tanks, copters, and planes; especially with Freeze's ice gun setting up a wall of ice to tank the incoming fire. The big threat are the nukes, which pretty much relies on Batman's EMP.

But more importantly you had to use military trained soliders with military grade vehicles and needed nukes as a back up. You also restricted Ironman and Batman, and gave the military knowledge. That's a horrible set up to try and convince people that common villains who have absolutely none of that can do fine with just guns. You'll recall that all of America's dead enemies had guns, and that didn't work out too well for them.

@lorbo: what do you mean "our modern military" USA army? China army? French army? World United army?

Superheroes stomp

@lorbo said:

Ha. Fanboys are Superheroes guardian angels. Nuff said.

Yeah sure...Insult us because we can prove you wrong. Doesn't make you look bad at all...

@Shawnbaby

Not an insult. At least one of you admitted the military has more of chance without MM.

I know realism is not really a part of superheroes, but by realism standards, which apply to my battles, Ironman would be mush in his suit from the first missile to hit him.

It would be like a massive concussion.

@lorbo said:

@Shawnbaby

Not an insult. At least one of you admitted the military has more of chance without MM.

I know realism is not really a part of superheroes, but by realism standards, which apply to my battles, Ironman would be mush in his suit from the first missile to hit him.

It would be like a massive concussion.

Yeah ok...without MM the guys with the nukes can take out Spider-Man and Batman...Really fair fight.

8 nukes to take out 7 heroes...

So my conclusion is, by these standards, with the right prep, the military could do villains in far worse with drones than the heroes who lock them up all the time.

To be more realistic comics should have drones taking out super villains as a matter of course.

That is what would happen if they existed. They would be labeled terrorists and then all of the nations might (USA mostly) would be brought to bear on them. They would regret they ever became super villains.

@lorbo said:

Let's face it guys...with few exceptions, our modern military could lay waste to most superheroes. Exceptions are the overpowered ones...don't get me started on those. : (

Here is the battle situation:

4 Fighter jets. 4 Attack Helicopters. 4 Tanks. 4 Nuke armed bombers (last resort)

Infantry: 30 Marines armed with automatic rifles, 10 of them have rocket launchers.

VS

Spiderman

Batman

Miss Marvel

Iron Man (from the movie)

Mr Freeze

Poison Ivy

most super heroes and villains can defeat your team, you just chose some weak superheroes to fight against them

My debate is over Knightrise

You did see that I said you could give suggestions on how to make the battle more fair. Some already have. But the nukes win the day it seems. Bat's seems to require nothing short of a nuke to end his CIS shielded self.

@KnightRise

Tony Stark fires one Jericho Missile

Heroes Win

Miss Marvel would be the last one standing obviously.

If the 8 nukes go off simultaneously on her, she would likely overload.

The military gets owned

Here's the thing about battles like this, the military is smart enough to avoid a toe to toe battle with these guys. They would use special forces to target them when they can get the advantage against them, and if need be, use their loved ones against them.

@lorbo said:

So my conclusion is, by these standards, with the right prep, the military could do villains in far worse with drones than the heroes who lock them up all the time.

To be more realistic comics should have drones taking out super villains as a matter of course.

That is what would happen if they existed. They would be labeled terrorists and then all of the nations might (USA mostly) would be brought to bear on them. They would regret they ever became super villains.

Yes; killing citizens with military drones is more effective than locking them up. Of course that's completely unrealistic, idiotic, and illegal.

That's not what would happen in real life. Gary Ridgway, Ted Bundy, and John Wayne Gacy are the U.S.'s top 3 serial killers by body count. Not a single one of them was taken out by the military or police; they were caught.

@lorbo: Your plan is only successful (if you call using nukes against Street Levelers a Success) if you can trap all the heroes in the Sahara...how do you deal with them in the Cities? Gonna Nuke NYC?

The citizens would kill the military if their heroes are killed.

Military via nuke. Armed forces are not restrained by Morality/collateral damage like the Super guys.

@turoksonofstone said:

Military via nuke. Armed forces are not restrained by Morality/collateral damage like the Super guys.

They are restrained by the laws that make such things completely and utterly illegal...

@lorbo: spiderman poison ivy and mr freeze would stomp 30 marines really badly. ivy and freeze have shown enough power to take out groups in one shot time and time again. spiderman can sense bullets and dodge effortlessly and move faster than they can react. also pretty sure insta freezing the vehicles would take them out to but lets leave the marines to the street levelers and im sure it an obvious stomp there.

you definitely shoulda disallowed the insider suit cause at flash speed and gl finger bang blasts and superman heat vision those tanks are done for. btw he could fly and take the helicopters too, but ironmans gotta do something so he downs the choppers. ms marvel shoots the jets down no problem. and the four nuke or eight nuke end game is avoided via ironman and marvel catching and redirecting them mid air or shooting the planes out of the sky before they release the payload. also stark marvel and bats with the suit would be able to dodge the blast if somehow it went off so the others may die but the most powerful ones would be pissed off and coming for you. superheroes smash the military in this scenario.

Tony and ms.marvel could survive a nuke,,and both could solo

Iron Man solos

Heroes.

Captain Marvel's a major player.

@rpottage said:

Let's see here...

Batman has his AI/Remote Controlled Bat-Plane, Bat-Boat, Bat-Helicopter, Batmobile, Batmotank, Batmobike; so that's a decent support system. Plus his insider suit which can take the brunt of a missile blast (plus its actual abilities); and his typical gear: projectile explosives, projectile devices that overload electronic devices, cryo capsules, incindiary devices, EMP devices, stun/smoke/incindiary/freeze grenades, etc.

Ironman: Tank missiles, supersonic speed with great mobility, can take tank hits , unibeam, repulser beams, auto-targetting and guns, can tank the explosion of missiles, flares, can take fighter-jet bullets, able to tank hits from Thor, etc.

Those two have the firepower and skills to take the troops, tanks, copters, and planes; especially with Freeze's ice gun setting up a wall of ice to tank the incoming fire. The big threat are the nukes, which pretty much relies on Batman's EMP.

But more importantly you had to use military trained soliders with military grade vehicles and needed nukes as a back up. You also restricted Ironman and Batman, and gave the military knowledge. That's a horrible set up to try and convince people that common villains who have absolutely none of that can do fine with just guns. You'll recall that all of America's dead enemies had guns, and that didn't work out too well for them.

YUP!. And why the hell is he picturing the military spamming nukes in people that's just wrong. I'm thinking he hates these heroes but it's just an assumption. And nukes have enough radiation to last a long time. Look at hiroshima. Think of what 8 nukes would do.

@King-Stranglehold da first:

I thought the same thing.

Carol and Tony could both solo. The Marines have no chance, Helicopters don't have the maneuverability to last long, the nukes are the Military's only chance and that's a last resort, Tony could target multiple jets at a time, Carol could absorb most anything the army has. The military isn't going to have time to use nukes.