#1 Posted by rd2race (289 posts) - - Show Bio

First round

Lizard has no TP

Batman has no prep and basic arsenal

They fight in gotham

Second Round

Batman has 10 min prep

Lizard has TP

They fight in the florida swamp

#2 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

With prep time, Batman could most definately come up with a cure and shove it down Connors' throat. But without, he loses BAD.

And he'll need more than 10 minutes, so round 2 is a loss as well.

End scenario: Lizard gets a tasty snack.

#3 Posted by k4tzm4n (40826 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, Lizard should be too much for Batman.

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#4 Posted by NEEK_03 (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

how when he fights killer croc on the regular basis?

#5 Posted by k4tzm4n (40826 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03 said:

how when he fights killer croc on the regular basis?

Killer Croc is weaker, slower and less durable than Lizard. Lizard by all rights would stomp Killer Croc.

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#6 Posted by Alurvelve (3642 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

Honestly, Lizard should be too much for Batman.

#7 Posted by where4artthoucarlos (246 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

Honestly, Lizard should be too much for Batman.

#8 Posted by Nefarious (19785 posts) - - Show Bio

The Lizard tail whips Batman.

#9 Edited by Kinasin_ (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman has dealt with metas that would wipe the floor with lizard. Going with Bruce. Utility belt is the deciding factor.

Edit--

Prep is a no brainer in bruce's favor.

#10 Posted by Shawnbaby (10649 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 Batman loses because he has no prep 
Round 2 Batman has prep but still loses because the Lizard has TP. 

#11 Edited by k4tzm4n (40826 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

Batman has dealt with metas that would wipe the floor with lizard. Going with Bruce. Utility belt is the deciding factor.

Edit--

Prep is a no brainer in bruce's favor.

So has Spider-Man, yet Lizard always provides a great challenge for the wall-crawler.

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#12 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14595 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

#13 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

#14 Posted by Killemall (18556 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03 said:

how when he fights killer croc on the regular basis?

From what i have seen Batman almost always has huge problem with killer croc

#15 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14595 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

That's one. what about multiple at the same time.

#16 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03 said:

how when he fights killer croc on the regular basis?

He needs prep to beat Croc.

Like I said, he can also beat Lizard with prep, but in the given scenarios he gets whooped.

#17 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

That's one. what about multiple at the same time.

How many does Batman have at one time? Lizard is a few DOZEN times more powerful than a thug, it'll take a crap load to slow him down.

Not to mention, Batman will be lucky to even hit Lizard with one. dat machine gun dodging speed.

#18 Posted by Strider92 (16290 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Lizard wins he's just far superior in every physical aspect.

Round 2: Lizard Stomps

#19 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14595 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

That's one. what about multiple at the same time.

How many does Batman have at one time? Lizard is a few DOZEN times more powerful than a thug, it'll take a crap load to slow him down.

Not to mention, Batman will be lucky to even hit Lizard with one. dat machine gun dodging speed.

well he does have a utility belt doesn't he?

#20 Posted by k4tzm4n (40826 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@NEEK_03 said:

how when he fights killer croc on the regular basis?

From what i have seen Batman almost always has huge problem with killer croc

It fluctuates. There are times where Croc can get dropped with mere regular strikes, but plenty of times where he's been a pain, too. In the sewer Batman needed to place explosives on Croc's chest, in Knightfall JPV and Robin couldn't harm him, in The Dark Knight he needed to drop a big sign on him, and in Hush he also needed to use the environment. Needless to say, even at his best Killer Croc still pales in comparison to Lizard. That alone should speak volumes.

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#21 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

That's one. what about multiple at the same time.

How many does Batman have at one time? Lizard is a few DOZEN times more powerful than a thug, it'll take a crap load to slow him down.

Not to mention, Batman will be lucky to even hit Lizard with one. dat machine gun dodging speed.

well he does have a utility belt doesn't he?

Batman's belt isn't a wormhole generator, it can only hold so many gadgets. With everything he has on him at all times, and the belts actual size, I'll say he has less than 10 nitrogen batarangs, unless you can prove otherwise.

#22 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14595 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

That's one. what about multiple at the same time.

How many does Batman have at one time? Lizard is a few DOZEN times more powerful than a thug, it'll take a crap load to slow him down.

Not to mention, Batman will be lucky to even hit Lizard with one. dat machine gun dodging speed.

well he does have a utility belt doesn't he?

Batman's belt isn't a wormhole generator, it can only hold so many gadgets. With everything he has on him at all times, and the belts actual size, I'll say he has less than 10 nitrogen batarangs, unless you can prove otherwise.

But arguing with ten minute prep time.

#23 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

That's one. what about multiple at the same time.

How many does Batman have at one time? Lizard is a few DOZEN times more powerful than a thug, it'll take a crap load to slow him down.

Not to mention, Batman will be lucky to even hit Lizard with one. dat machine gun dodging speed.

well he does have a utility belt doesn't he?

Batman's belt isn't a wormhole generator, it can only hold so many gadgets. With everything he has on him at all times, and the belts actual size, I'll say he has less than 10 nitrogen batarangs, unless you can prove otherwise.

But arguing with ten minute prep time.

Still, like I said, Spider-Man weaves through machine gun fire, and Lizard is faster than him. How do you expect Batman to even land a hit?

#24 Posted by k4tzm4n (40826 posts) - - Show Bio

@rd2race: What is the starting distance?

Because even with prep, if Batman manages to create a TP blocker of some sort (no idea if he could seeing as the Lizard's power really just puts a huge emphasis on the predator/prey part of one's brain), he still has to deal with the raw speed Lizard brings to the table. A short starting distance means Batman could potentially be taken down before he has the option to use other resources use as a cyro pellet.

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#25 Posted by Shawnbaby (10649 posts) - - Show Bio
@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

That's one. what about multiple at the same time.

How many does Batman have at one time? Lizard is a few DOZEN times more powerful than a thug, it'll take a crap load to slow him down.

Not to mention, Batman will be lucky to even hit Lizard with one. dat machine gun dodging speed.

well he does have a utility belt doesn't he?

Oh thank you, you just gave me the perfect opening to drop this: 
 
  
#26 Posted by NEEK_03 (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@NEEK_03 said:

how when he fights killer croc on the regular basis?

He needs prep to beat Croc.

Like I said, he can also beat Lizard with prep, but in the given scenarios he gets whooped.

well im just sayin its not like he hasnt dealt with metas similar and superior then lizard.

#27 Posted by Strider92 (16290 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03 said:

well im just sayin its not like he hasnt dealt with metas similar and superior then lizard.

Lizard isn't a meta. Anyone who is strong enough, fast enough and agile enough to manhandle Spider-man i'm pretty sure is a superhuman(or Lizard in this case).

#28 Posted by k4tzm4n (40826 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: Yes, Lizard has superhuman strength (12 tons), superhuman durability (bullet-proof), and superhuman speed.

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#29 Posted by Shawnbaby (10649 posts) - - Show Bio
@NEEK_03 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@NEEK_03 said:

how when he fights killer croc on the regular basis?

He needs prep to beat Croc.

Like I said, he can also beat Lizard with prep, but in the given scenarios he gets whooped.

well im just sayin its not like he hasnt dealt with metas similar and superior then lizard.

Awfully vague retort. Name one. 
#30 Posted by Skyfire (726 posts) - - Show Bio

Lizard wins. He's just to much for Batman.

#31 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

Honestly, Lizard should be too much for Batman.

#32 Posted by rd2race (289 posts) - - Show Bio

Lets say the start time in gotham is 3 blocks and 1 mile in the swamp (to help bats out). What if Batman gets an hour of prep in the swamp but only has access to what he can get in the swamp?

#33 Edited by Strider92 (16290 posts) - - Show Bio

@rd2race: Lizard still wins. He's beaten Spider-man when Pete has had access to a lab before. While the terrain helps Bats slightly its not going to help him sneak on up someone who can most likely smell, hear and see him before he gets withing 700meters.

#34 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14595 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

That's one. what about multiple at the same time.

How many does Batman have at one time? Lizard is a few DOZEN times more powerful than a thug, it'll take a crap load to slow him down.

Not to mention, Batman will be lucky to even hit Lizard with one. dat machine gun dodging speed.

well he does have a utility belt doesn't he?

Batman's belt isn't a wormhole generator, it can only hold so many gadgets. With everything he has on him at all times, and the belts actual size, I'll say he has less than 10 nitrogen batarangs, unless you can prove otherwise.

But arguing with ten minute prep time.

Still, like I said, Spider-Man weaves through machine gun fire, and Lizard is faster than him. How do you expect Batman to even land a hit?

:) because he's Batman.

#35 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

@rd2race said:

Lets say the start time in gotham is 3 blocks and 1 mile in the swamp (to help bats out). What if Batman gets an hour of prep in the swamp but only has access to what he can get in the swamp?

That would actually give him less of a chance than 10 minutes in the Batcave.

#36 Posted by k4tzm4n (40826 posts) - - Show Bio

@rd2race said:

Lets say the start time in gotham is 3 blocks and 1 mile in the swamp (to help bats out). What if Batman gets an hour of prep in the swamp but only has access to what he can get in the swamp?

Unless there's a weapons factory or some high tech armory in this swamp, Batman isn't going to find anything that'll aid him in this struggle.

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#37 Edited by Kinasin_ (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@rd2race: What is the starting distance?

Because even with prep, if Batman manages to create a TP blocker of some sort (no idea if he could seeing as the Lizard's power really just puts a huge emphasis on the predator/prey part of one's brain), he still has to deal with the raw speed Lizard brings to the table. A short starting distance means Batman could potentially be taken down before he has the option to use other resources use as a cyro pellet.

Batman would throw on his insider suit and speed blitz lizard into the ground and crush his head with a construct. He soloed the outsiders in his insider suit. Lizard won't be a problem.

#38 Posted by jashro44 (20845 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@rd2race: What is the starting distance?

Because even with prep, if Batman manages to create a TP blocker of some sort (no idea if he could seeing as the Lizard's power really just puts a huge emphasis on the predator/prey part of one's brain), he still has to deal with the raw speed Lizard brings to the table. A short starting distance means Batman could potentially be taken down before he has the option to use other resources use as a cyro pellet.

Batman would throw on his insider suit and speed blitz lizard into the ground and crush his head with a construct. He soloed the outsiders in his insider suit. Lizard won't be a problem.

@rd2race said:

Lets say the start time in gotham is 3 blocks and 1 mile in the swamp (to help bats out). What if Batman gets an hour of prep in the swamp but only has access to what he can get in the swamp?

The op said he only gets what he can find in a swamp.

#39 Posted by k4tzm4n (40826 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@rd2race: What is the starting distance?

Because even with prep, if Batman manages to create a TP blocker of some sort (no idea if he could seeing as the Lizard's power really just puts a huge emphasis on the predator/prey part of one's brain), he still has to deal with the raw speed Lizard brings to the table. A short starting distance means Batman could potentially be taken down before he has the option to use other resources use as a cyro pellet.

Batman would throw on his insider suit and speed blitz lizard into the ground and crush his head with a construct. He soloed the outsiders in his insider suit. Lizard won't be a problem.

Pretty sure it's fair to assume he's not using that.

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#40 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto said:

@DarkKnightDetective said:

@nickzambuto: What does he need a cure for? he just need a nitrogen batarang/bomb to beat him.

A standard nitrogen batarang is weak enough to not kill thugs; with Lizard's strength and durability he should be capable of breaking out of it.

That's one. what about multiple at the same time.

How many does Batman have at one time? Lizard is a few DOZEN times more powerful than a thug, it'll take a crap load to slow him down.

Not to mention, Batman will be lucky to even hit Lizard with one. dat machine gun dodging speed.

well he does have a utility belt doesn't he?

Batman's belt isn't a wormhole generator, it can only hold so many gadgets. With everything he has on him at all times, and the belts actual size, I'll say he has less than 10 nitrogen batarangs, unless you can prove otherwise.

But arguing with ten minute prep time.

Still, like I said, Spider-Man weaves through machine gun fire, and Lizard is faster than him. How do you expect Batman to even land a hit?

:) because he's Batman.

Yeah but... well he, uhh...

****

#41 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@rd2race: What is the starting distance?

Because even with prep, if Batman manages to create a TP blocker of some sort (no idea if he could seeing as the Lizard's power really just puts a huge emphasis on the predator/prey part of one's brain), he still has to deal with the raw speed Lizard brings to the table. A short starting distance means Batman could potentially be taken down before he has the option to use other resources use as a cyro pellet.

Batman would throw on his insider suit and speed blitz lizard into the ground and crush his head with a construct. He soloed the outsiders in his insider suit. Lizard won't be a problem.

The Insider Suit appeared in like, an issue. Why do people keep bringing it up?

#42 Posted by troller (911 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't Batman just sit in his Batmobile and shoot the little creep

#43 Posted by rd2race (289 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@rd2race: What is the starting distance?

Because even with prep, if Batman manages to create a TP blocker of some sort (no idea if he could seeing as the Lizard's power really just puts a huge emphasis on the predator/prey part of one's brain), he still has to deal with the raw speed Lizard brings to the table. A short starting distance means Batman could potentially be taken down before he has the option to use other resources use as a cyro pellet.

Batman would throw on his insider suit and speed blitz lizard into the ground and crush his head with a construct. He soloed the outsiders in his insider suit. Lizard won't be a problem.

Thats why i only gave him what he could get in the swamp i figured he could pull a arnold vs predator type deal where he could at least set up some elaborate booby trap to help him. I mean he is batman lol

#44 Posted by cassiuss (44 posts) - - Show Bio

Im sorry ppl but i have batman winning both rounds. Round one shouldnt be no contest because first batman has the home field advantage. Although batman isnt as fast as spiderman i do think he could lead the lizard to somewhere in gotham where the advantage is all his,Batman is strategist when he fights the lizard goes on pure instinct. Round two would probably be tougher but all in all is batman is in a swamp he most likely has some remoted controlled vehicle that we all know he wont mind sacrificing to deal the final blow.

#45 Posted by Shawnbaby (10649 posts) - - Show Bio
@cassiuss said:

Im sorry ppl but i have batman winning both rounds. Round one shouldnt be no contest because first batman has the home field advantage. Although batman isnt as fast as spiderman i do think he could lead the lizard to somewhere in gotham where the advantage is all his,Batman is strategist when he fights the lizard goes on pure instinct. Round two would probably be tougher but all in all is batman is in a swamp he most likely has some remoted controlled vehicle that we all know he wont mind sacrificing to deal the final blow.

Ah yes "Bat Ex Machina" 
#46 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@cassiuss: What scenario in Gotham will Batman have an advantage? Batman simply can't hurt the Lizard very easily. If 10 ton punches from Spiderman wont put him down easily then Bats has no chance in the first round. Bats probably would have a hard time tagging Lizard as well. Strategy alone doesn't win a fight. I can understand round 2 though, if he has access to things in the swamp alone Bats has less of a chance, with BatCave tech maybe. Again what exact scenario were you thinking of that Bats would be able to win?

#47 Posted by Kinasin_ (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@rd2race: What is the starting distance?

Because even with prep, if Batman manages to create a TP blocker of some sort (no idea if he could seeing as the Lizard's power really just puts a huge emphasis on the predator/prey part of one's brain), he still has to deal with the raw speed Lizard brings to the table. A short starting distance means Batman could potentially be taken down before he has the option to use other resources use as a cyro pellet.

Batman would throw on his insider suit and speed blitz lizard into the ground and crush his head with a construct. He soloed the outsiders in his insider suit. Lizard won't be a problem.

The Insider Suit appeared in like, an issue. Why do people keep bringing it up?

It appeared in numerous issues actually. Suggest you read Bruce Wayne:The Road Home.

#48 Posted by Shawnbaby (10649 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kinasin_ said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@rd2race: What is the starting distance?

Because even with prep, if Batman manages to create a TP blocker of some sort (no idea if he could seeing as the Lizard's power really just puts a huge emphasis on the predator/prey part of one's brain), he still has to deal with the raw speed Lizard brings to the table. A short starting distance means Batman could potentially be taken down before he has the option to use other resources use as a cyro pellet.

Batman would throw on his insider suit and speed blitz lizard into the ground and crush his head with a construct. He soloed the outsiders in his insider suit. Lizard won't be a problem.

The Insider Suit appeared in like, an issue. Why do people keep bringing it up?

It appeared in numerous issues actually. Suggest you read Bruce Wayne:The Road Home.

And how often has it appeared since then?
 
Its always the same song and dance with you people. First it's "Batman beats X" which is easily countered with "Y is greater than X" Then its "Batman whips out his (auto-win fights against Y) gadget from his utility belt" which is again countered (usually with "Batman typically doesn't carry that on his belt"). Sooner or later it always coems down to "Batman gets his Insider Suit" which he never actually uses. It's so predictable its pathetic. Time to grow up and realize Batman doesn't win every fight.
#49 Posted by nickzambuto (13420 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@rd2race: What is the starting distance?

Because even with prep, if Batman manages to create a TP blocker of some sort (no idea if he could seeing as the Lizard's power really just puts a huge emphasis on the predator/prey part of one's brain), he still has to deal with the raw speed Lizard brings to the table. A short starting distance means Batman could potentially be taken down before he has the option to use other resources use as a cyro pellet.

Batman would throw on his insider suit and speed blitz lizard into the ground and crush his head with a construct. He soloed the outsiders in his insider suit. Lizard won't be a problem.

The Insider Suit appeared in like, an issue. Why do people keep bringing it up?

It appeared in numerous issues actually. Suggest you read Bruce Wayne:The Road Home.

And how often has it appeared since then? Its always the same song and dance with you people. First it's "Batman beats X" which is easily countered with "Y is greater than X" Then its "Batman whips out his (auto-win fights against Y) gadget from his utility belt" which is again countered (usually with "Batman typically doesn't carry that on his belt"). Sooner or later it always coems down to "Batman gets his Insider Suit" which he never actually uses. It's so predictable its pathetic. Time to grow up and realize Batman doesn't win every fight.

But-but-but-but... b-but he's B-Batman!!!

#50 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2819 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

Honestly, Lizard should be too much for Batman.