The Living Tribunal vs The Spectre at Full Power

I'm just curious who has more abilities and power

at full power, without PIS, spectre still gets beaten, but he is above Thanos with the IG.

though this has been done before. someone get the mods

LT

*snickers*

LT

The spectre Full power vs LT is Like The presence vs LT , he got full back up of the presence , am i right ?

LT, he is omniversal and his power is more absolute than the spectre's

Spectre's only limitation is the power given to him by The Presence.. If the Presence gave him full power its like LT vs Spectre..so I gave this to Spectre.

LT.

@vinomonster: @thebestofthebest: No. The Spectre have his own power set. The presence limits his power if anything.

@baron_von_santa:

• Nigh-Omnipotence/Divine Wrath: As a servant of God, The Spectre is granted limitless power, being capable of nearly any feat within his imagination. The Spectre is said to be the most powerful, being second to only one.
• Reality Alteration: The Spectre is capable of warping and controlling reality. He can use his ability to control reality to simulate any form of superpower or ability from shapeshifting to warping time and space.
• Nigh-Omniscience: As a divine agent, the Spectre has access to virtually all of the knowledge in the universe and is even aware of events that have been altered by distortions in time.
• Immortality

Abilities

• Occultism: The Spectre is knowledgeable of the occult, the history of various occult-related rituals and demonology.
• Intimidation: Less a skill than an application of his powers, the Spectre excels at being able to intimidate and frighten his adversaries. This is usually done through showy spectacles such as assuming a monstrous appearance, growing in size, projecting a loud, booming voice, etc.
• The Logoz: The inner aspect that is the Spectre's direct channel to God.

Strength level

Near-limitless; the Spectre was able to sink Atlantis simply by stepping on it.

Weaknesses

• Sufficiently Powerful Magic: The Spectre can be injured or even slain by sufficient magic force, most notably the Spear of Destiny or a fully empowered Eclipso.
• Divine Limitations: The Presence can impose limits on what the Spectre is able to do, as it did in binding the Spectre to a mortal host.
• Divine Law: There are certain boundaries even the Spectre must not cross. If it does, it faces the punishment of the Presence. When the Spectre killed Nabu, it drew the Presence's attention, and was recalled.

If the presence do not impose any limits on Spectre.. its like LT vs The Presence in a way. That post above is from DC Wiki

I'd say LT, he's not limited to just being the spirit of vengeance or gods right hand, he has a lot more responsibilities and is generally considered second to TOAA

@vinomonster: no. Where did you get that idea?

Anyway, wikis are nigh useless, no one on this site who is experienced enough accepts or uses wikis, which anyone can edit.

And all those 'powers' are useless unless you have feats to back it up.

And even the theoretical full power Spectre is not omnipotent; not even close. He got beat up by Michael demiurgos, who was nice and powerful enough to be able to beat him without using the demurgic power, and imposed the limits on him.

So, in conclusion: wikis are useless, use feats, and do research. Good luck on the vine.

LT.

@sophia89: @pablosl: @vinomonster: @hatemalingsia: @looby_loo: @the_titan_lord: I wonder why no one uses feats because this is getting nowhere.

I can say Spectre wins because he beat Nabu, and killed every lord of order and chaos. Does LT have a feat to top that?

@sophia89: Spectre once held two universes from collapsing.

He once turned as big as a universe

He Defeated the demon lord shathan the lord of lies (higher up than neron) by taking him to the Big Bang.

Am Going With Full Power Spectre

@baron_von_santa: The thing is that, LT is not a character that participates that much, he is just watching over things most of the times, because he is practically omnipotent, there's no point in him facing enemies, cause all he does is snap his fingers and things happen

@pablosl: So you say he is practically omnipotent, and can snap his fingers and things happen.

Well, there must be something that made you think that way, tell us where he was, when he snapped his fingers, and what happened. Basically means, feats to back up his supposed 'practically omnipotent' status?

Because there are people like that in DC, Michael demiurgos being one. And people used to think Michael is half LTs power instead of much more powerful than LT. Maybe, just maybe it's because there used to be a lot of marvel fanboys who question DC characters status but blindly accepts Marvels.

I know LT should win, but just because everyone else who says he win does not give ANY feats, I will back Spectre, and say he wins.

@baron_von_santa:

Well yea LT is mostly statements and little action, but thats logical considering what he supposed to be capable of, I mean any plot would lose it's appeal if he just participates and ends whatever issue there was in an instant, unless the enemy is Thanos w/HotU or something.

And about Michael idk, maybe they based their argument on the fact that he and Lucifer sort of complement themselves and they depend on each other in order to use their powers to their full extent, while LT doesn't, but that's just a theory.

If you are only talking about pure feats then LT stomps. If we are talking about power and all then they should be equal as they have the same roles in their respective universes. Isn't it obvious?

@hatemalingsia: well, no. Having roughly the same role does not make you equal. If there is anyone close to LT in role, then it is nix uotan the judge of all evils. If there's anyone close to the avenging killing ghost, then it is ghost rider.

And what do you mean pure feats? What feats put LT above Spectre?

@pablosl: That's an interesting way of looking at it. Let's do a CaV about it.

@baron_von_santa:

Let me open your eyes "bro"

@hatemalingsia: Nice, a newbie used feats while the old viners use opinions.

I'll counter when I have access to a computer today.

And last thing, there is no need for unprovoked sarcasm.

So basically what I just read is "I honestly have no proof but I can't admit that so I'll just act like a condescending and self-righteous air hole to feed my nerdish ego, even though all we're debating about is fictional characters in a forum that is supposed to be fun. "

A quote from someone else. I'm leaving I have a feeling where is this "debate" going.

@hatemalingsia: why all this unprovoked aggressiveness? I know your new here, but this is over the top. I don't want to flag you because I can counter all that I less than one hour, but don't push it.

@baron_von_santa: tbh honest I'm not knowledgedable enough on this guys to make a CaV lol

@hatemalingsia: Chill man

@pablosl: No pro. Hate is here.

this guy started off knowledgable, but suddenly got all aggressive.

We haven't seen any counter yet....

@citizensentry: Why so impatient? I'm in class. I'm already skipping lunch to go use a computer to prevent impatient guys asking that question.

edit. there. class is over. was that so hard?

@citizensentry: @hatemalingsia: okay.

to analyze:

now, lets analyze the context of the scans. (in case people dont want to scroll up and down, the scans are all here)

Gallery

1) a true, and proven, statement. shows LT can destroy universes. his existing in every universe feat is done by his beings who do that for a living (lol), their leader is anthropomorpho. here:

Gallery

but the spectre can do that too.

Gallery

• shows he exists in all universes
• shows even in one universe, he exists across all galaxies.
• shows there are many aspects of him on just one planet.

2) defeated classic strange? so? classic strange is hardly on multi universal level without prep. PC darkseid can give him a good fight. yeah, the darkseid that defeated PC mordru who collects the power of galaxies in one blast.

3) good feat.

4) and 5) you say he recreated the aspects when the scan which shows warlock destroying them, no one was shown to be killed, most were hurled back, the rubble looks like it once was a being, but thats it. LT gestured, and brought back everyone when they were hurled back, and receated maybe one or two guys like galactus who is below universal, the stranger.

6) omnicience does not mean knowing about someones origin, it means able to know everything, and nothing suggests he can back up, or has backed up, that statement.

the rest of the scans show one teleportation feat, one bossing around a universal or multi universal 'feat', and one statement.

to conclude:

the feats you have shown, summarized;

• exists in all universes because of someone else
• defeated classic strange who is PC darkseid level
• stopped the multiversal infinity gauntlet from working (good feat)
• recreated a few low level cosmic beings
• teleportation

to counter:

the spectre can exist in all universes, across the universe, and all over planets. he is literally eveywhere. i should have showed this here.

the spectre

will finish after school

Huh? This has been debated over the years. People most likely agreed that LT is far more powerful than Spectre. Besides LT had destroyed a million of universes before. Spectre has never done anything close to that. Also Spectre's power level is dependent upon The Presence mood if he feels vengeful Spectre gets more juice if memory serves me right. I don't remember Spectre being anywhere near Multiversal.

If you have any proofs to the contrary do prove it. This tune has been played over the years in the web. Don't be surprise by the peoples choice.

@the_titan_lord: Actually, it has, six years ago. Over the years, people only give opinions, just like they did here. Time to renew it. And six years ago, people actually thought differently.

The presence does not power Spectre; this is a misconception that originated six or seven years ago, and even though it has been disapproved (he limits the Spectre, he does not empower him) many times by atphantom back then, and me and sithlantern, and that magic specialist in current times, people sometimes till think that way.

The Living Tribunal.

Spectre

What feat does spectre have that is more impressive than turning off the original gauntlet?

No, they don't, not even close. Spectre is the spirit of vengeance for the presence, LT is the overseer of the multiverse (or is it omniverse). They are not comparable in their roles, quite different, actually, not to mention power/authority. Spectre is about vengeance, seeking out those that do wrong and punishing them, though he has the power and can do much more and generally does, he is also limited by his role as shown during events like Blackest Night and Final Crisis. LT also doesn't have a spear of destiny that can hurt or affect him. He doesn't have any kryptonite (so to speak) of his own.

@looby_loo: blackness night and final crisis was PIS. For example, Spectre can't hurt anyone who does not have a soul? That is bullsh!t.

The spear of destiny is not his kryptonite; it is just an extremely powerful artifact that can hurt high level beings because it has the blood of Jesus on it.

Anyway, welcome to the vine!

Living Tribunal.

LT wins.

This battle would pointless and a mismatch by your logic. Since it would be omnipotent vs. nigh omnipotent.

However, I can just as easily say that LT would win because he gets his power from TOAA.

Regardless, neither are truly omnipotent or infinitely powerful. Even though their power comes from the All-Mighty, both can and have been defeated.

@mysticmedivh: Couldn't have put it better myself.

Spectre is God's natural agent of Revenge and more magically than an Being of Existence....Also a heavily flawed psych'd

LivingTribunal is directly God's Judge and protector of all universes the Multiverse...No other being/Abstract can equal his power or challenge him..Only God(OneAboveAll) or HOTU..

LT vast power has never been challenged successfully or can it be trumped..Spectre on the other hand Has been challenged over and over to success I'm not entirely sure but he can be challenged unlike the Living TRIBUNAL who cannot be contested again.

In adddition TOAA/HOTU: Scathan, Protégé, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man.