The Human torch vs Ace (from one piece)

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#1  Edited By kryptosaiyan

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thoughts ?

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#2  Edited By darkelf35

human torch is very "squishy" and lacks training but he probably burns a little hotter. It all depends on who gets the first strike

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#3  Edited By kryptosaiyan

@darkelf35: agreed ace is a little better trained at hand to hand i think if johnny couldnt melt him ace would win

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#4  Edited By Deadcool

Question: Is Ace vulnerable to fire?

If the answer is "no" then Ace wins due training, if the answer is yes then Jonny.

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#5  Edited By kryptosaiyan

@Deadcool: varibles gotta love em

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#6  Edited By darkelf35

I think he IS vulnerable to fire but i am not sure if Torch's Fire blasts would hurt him that much. I think that ace is a little faster and he has better stamina + his Haki is strong enough to probalby do hand to hand Torch has the advantage that he can fly around and has great AOE flame attacks

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#7  Edited By Chibio

I think that Ace mastered his logia fruit pretty damn good and that the fire logia gives the character more power than Human Torch has it. I still think that Human Torch would win. It probably wouldn't be a short fight and Human Torch would have two advantages: 1) his ability to fly and 2) water, which would render Ace helpless. Chances are high that Human Torch would take the fight to a sea to depower them both, when he would realize that he is on the shorter end of the fire fight. I guess he would try to brawl it out then, but the water would defeat Ace instantly.

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#8  Edited By jeanroygrant

Torch.

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#9  Edited By Hyperlight

i was under the impression that Ace not only controls fire but can become it as well... and that puts him at a certain advantage being ethereal and what not. HT takes it with raw energy output....

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#10  Edited By BlackWind

Yes, Ace does become fire, all Logias do with their element. However Ace's fire has more feats for concussive force than heat. Torch can possibly burn Ace out like Akainu did with his magma since Torch's fire is waaaaaaaay hotter.

But if Ace's fist touches Johnny, its over.

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#11  Edited By NeonGameWave

Ace should win due to his versatility within the element of fire and also his H2H skills.

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#12  Edited By JonSmith

Giving this to Ace. While it's true that Akainu's magma burned Ace, that's more due to Devil Fruit magic (i.e., when two Devil Fruits of the same element interact, the 'superior' element trumps the lower one, in this case Magma being superior to Fire) Torch won't be able to burn Ace, and Ace can't burn Johnny. So this'll come down to hand to hand. In which case, we've got a relatively in shape mid-to-late twenties male who has just had his one power rendered useless, versus a super strong individual who is not only USED to fighting people his powers don't work on, but actually learned how to fight WITHOUT his powers. So Johnny goes down relatively easily, Ace prepares to walk off, but falls asleep instead.

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#13  Edited By Simon_the_digger

Hiken No Ace Dies again, Torch's Nova was twice the heat of the sun, it even hurt a Celestial, Ace can't handle heat like that .

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#14  Edited By dondave

Torch ftw

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#15  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

@darkelf35: AOE flame attacks??? what are those?

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#16  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

It's pretty tough to choose here. Ace could just become Flame, so Johnny's attacks wont do any harm to him, as long as Johnny doesn't get haki And luffy to get in the way somehow :p On the other hand, it's possible for johnny to be physically damaged, right? So giving this to ace.

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#17  Edited By Deadcool

@kryptosaiyan said:

@Deadcool: varibles gotta love em

Huh... Sorry what?

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#18  Edited By Mortein

Honestly, I think Ace could win this even without his DF powers

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#19  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator

Draw.

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#20  Edited By 18hunt

Ace, he can turn into fire, and he destroyed several 1-200 meter ships in a row with a simple blast, later he incinerates a whole village.

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#21  Edited By YoungChief

A punch from a de-powered Ace would one-shot johnny, the concussive force from his fire fist is also pretty ridiculous, I say Ace takes this one

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The Human Torch.

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Ace wins.

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I'd say ace

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Ace more often than not. He's just better with his training and overall more knowledgable in combat.

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Ace

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Ace rather easily I'd say. People seem to be forget that OP top tiers are physical beasts too, even without any powers.

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torch baby shakes if he's not playing around

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Ace probably wins. One punch would blow Johnny's head-off, but if he does a high-heat attack from the start, Ace is screwed. His durability isn't exactly all that.....

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i say ace

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#32  Edited By NOVA_Akuma

@neongamewave: Is that so? I guess that means he can explode a mountain just using raw power? Can he melt a bulldozer before it can reach him after being thrown?

I guess it also means that he can suck the water out of someone using heat? Can he sense heat signatures?

The main highlight of my comment is: HT is completely invulnerable to fire and heat, so Ace couldn't even think about laying a scratch on him. Even if he did get close enough for Ace to do H2H, HT can literally survive an entire building being dropped straight on his head fine, so I hope they have a lot of those in One Piece, or Ace is done for.

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Ace due to not being able to be hurt by fire and having better physicals.

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If HT starts with a Supernova , Ace is done for

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#35  Edited By utkanflash

Ace injured cuz of temprature of the magma ?! Johhny way way hotter than magma... He has flight and equal speed.. Im gonna go with Johhny..

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Ace's fire lost against Akainu's magma because there was a difference in the intensity of their heat. Johnny's heat is much hotter than that of magma, to the point it can rival the heat of the sun. Ace may be stronger, however, Johnny is faster, and can tag him beforehand. Not only that but if Ace tried to punch Johnny, he would burn himself.

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Johnny definitely burns brighter as he can go to supernova level too but ace had haki although we never witnessed it. He could have easily killed Johnny.

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Human torch stomps

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#39  Edited By Ob1Toe
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Johhny stomps. far better hax when it comes to his abilites. Ace still needs to breath and if oxygen and the water in his body is cut out hes going to die. Johhny's flames burn far hotter then ace's