ACE
The Human torch
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@darkelf35: agreed ace is a little better trained at hand to hand i think if johnny couldnt melt him ace would win
I think he IS vulnerable to fire but i am not sure if Torch's Fire blasts would hurt him that much. I think that ace is a little faster and he has better stamina + his Haki is strong enough to probalby do hand to hand Torch has the advantage that he can fly around and has great AOE flame attacks
I think that Ace mastered his logia fruit pretty damn good and that the fire logia gives the character more power than Human Torch has it. I still think that Human Torch would win. It probably wouldn't be a short fight and Human Torch would have two advantages: 1) his ability to fly and 2) water, which would render Ace helpless. Chances are high that Human Torch would take the fight to a sea to depower them both, when he would realize that he is on the shorter end of the fire fight. I guess he would try to brawl it out then, but the water would defeat Ace instantly.
i was under the impression that Ace not only controls fire but can become it as well... and that puts him at a certain advantage being ethereal and what not. HT takes it with raw energy output....
Giving this to Ace. While it's true that Akainu's magma burned Ace, that's more due to Devil Fruit magic (i.e., when two Devil Fruits of the same element interact, the 'superior' element trumps the lower one, in this case Magma being superior to Fire) Torch won't be able to burn Ace, and Ace can't burn Johnny. So this'll come down to hand to hand. In which case, we've got a relatively in shape mid-to-late twenties male who has just had his one power rendered useless, versus a super strong individual who is not only USED to fighting people his powers don't work on, but actually learned how to fight WITHOUT his powers. So Johnny goes down relatively easily, Ace prepares to walk off, but falls asleep instead.
Hiken No Ace Dies again, Torch's Nova was twice the heat of the sun, it even hurt a Celestial, Ace can't handle heat like that .
It's pretty tough to choose here. Ace could just become Flame, so Johnny's attacks wont do any harm to him, as long as Johnny doesn't get haki And luffy to get in the way somehow :p On the other hand, it's possible for johnny to be physically damaged, right? So giving this to ace.
A punch from a de-powered Ace would one-shot johnny, the concussive force from his fire fist is also pretty ridiculous, I say Ace takes this one
@princearagorn1: base on gaming experience its all of enemies i guess
Ace more often than not. He's just better with his training and overall more knowledgable in combat.
Ace rather easily I'd say. People seem to be forget that OP top tiers are physical beasts too, even without any powers.
@neongamewave: Is that so? I guess that means he can explode a mountain just using raw power? Can he melt a bulldozer before it can reach him after being thrown?
I guess it also means that he can suck the water out of someone using heat? Can he sense heat signatures?
The main highlight of my comment is: HT is completely invulnerable to fire and heat, so Ace couldn't even think about laying a scratch on him. Even if he did get close enough for Ace to do H2H, HT can literally survive an entire building being dropped straight on his head fine, so I hope they have a lot of those in One Piece, or Ace is done for.
Ace injured cuz of temprature of the magma ?! Johhny way way hotter than magma... He has flight and equal speed.. Im gonna go with Johhny..
Ace's fire lost against Akainu's magma because there was a difference in the intensity of their heat. Johnny's heat is much hotter than that of magma, to the point it can rival the heat of the sun. Ace may be stronger, however, Johnny is faster, and can tag him beforehand. Not only that but if Ace tried to punch Johnny, he would burn himself.
Johnny definitely burns brighter as he can go to supernova level too but ace had haki although we never witnessed it. He could have easily killed Johnny.
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