Standard Gear and Equipment, pre Viper for The Mountain.
Book and show feats apply
Takes place in Dorne for Tyrion Lannisters Lucky PP.
50 feet apart.
Standard Gear and Equipment, pre Viper for The Mountain.
Book and show feats apply
Takes place in Dorne for Tyrion Lannisters Lucky PP.
50 feet apart.
Jaime and Bronn should win.
Jaime can certainly defeat the Hound or Mountain if book feats apply. It's downright stated in the books and Jaime could defeat either of the Clegane brothers and GRRM has confirmed that Jaime is the top fighter. Bronn can stalemate either of the brothers long enough for Jaime to defeat his opponent and help Bronn finish the other.
I think a more likely scenario is that Gregor and Sandor fight each other while Jaime and Bronn watch.
@cregan_stark: I know right? Lol great input though, which book was it stated in?
Bronn and Jamie would sing the Lannister Song before the battle then, eh?
Team 2, Jamie can take either and Bronn could evade and stall long enough to make the 2 on 1. They'd probably do it handily tbh, hell even Bronn has a small chance of winning his one on one.
@mrhamwallet: id pay to see this match
@iragexcudder: Same though I think I'd rather Jamie v Oberyn
@mrhamwallet: that would be intense, Oberyn has poison too so that would be in his advantage. I don't see how Jamie would be able dismantle someone as quick as he
@iragexcudder: He has the reach advantage too tbh I think he'd win without the poison, overconfidence aside I can't think of anyone who would beat Oberyn.
@mrhamwallet: I think from what I've seen that Bronn could from trickery and swordsmanship alone, he's fought against the Dornish before and knows them well enough to throw his back knife at his face.. But Daario maybe? Khal? Anyone with a Valyrian sword can break his steel
@mrhamwallet: A Dothraki maybe, he discards all the advantages that westorosi's have
@spector_rand: True I suppose.
@iragexcudder: Bronn could but I would give it to Oberyn more often than not, they're best at fighting similar opponents but Oberyn has more advantages over Bronn.
Daario I doubt very much but possibly, Khal has a good chance because of the advantages the Dothraki have against Oberyn. Still I wouldn't necessarily say he'd definitely win.
A valyrian sword would give them an advantage that respect but it doesn't mean they'd beat him. Brienne was given a Valyrian sword and she'd get wrecked against Oberyn.
I feel like Bronn is overrated. Maybe he could outmaneuver Gregor, but Sandor would stomp him IMO.
I'll go with Team 2 though anyway, for better teamwork. They wouldn't be trying to kill each other.
@iragexcudder: I believe it was book 3 but it's been a while. Jaime beats them by reputation, author comments and feats.
@iragexcudder: @mrhamwallet: @fatherchaos:
Mrhamwallet - Oberyn has zero chance to defeat Jaime. People see him on the TV dancing around and believe that he's a great warrior, they ignore that the Mountain had several opportunities to kill him in that fight. The truth is Oberyn's only real feats are beating an old man and fighting the Mountain (both with the help of poison), both of those opponents are statues to people like Jaime or Bronn.
Fatherchaos - heck no Bronn isn't over rated and he would give Sandor hell.
@cregan_stark: I'd disagree, I agree it's perfectly reasonable to give Jamie the majority but they're both fast, skilled fighters and Oberyn has the reach advantage. Oberyn was cocky in his fight with Gregor and wanted to drag it out...otherwise he would've won handily. There's few that could fight Jamie without getting stomped but I'd say Oberyn is one of them. Oberyn outclassed the mountain, the poison wasn't an issue until after the duration of the fight...if anything it was insurance.
Agreed on Bronn, he's not overrated at all.
@rogueshadow: Interesting, as you said that who do you think would win out of Gregor and Sandor in the show?
@mrhamwallet: Sandor, he had the clear edge back in the first season despite the fact he was not trying to kill Gregor.
@rogueshadow: Agreed
@mrhamwallet: in the books if I remember correctly, the poison was affecting Gregor during the fight.
@serpinethegreen: yes he would. If you are willing to make an argument then I'd gladly debate you
@cregan_stark: I don't remember that, but it is possible it was stated. As far as I remember from the show it only really affected him after but it's not easy to show it may have been implied.
You're joking right? If you truly think than then....well...then you clearly havent heard of a little thing called fencing.
@cregan_stark:
Bronns a smart fighter, no doubt But sandor is arguably one of the best h2h fighters in GOT
Bronn states that he wouldn't want to fight the mountain because he's scared he would almost definitely lose
however in series one sandor and gregor fought and sandor was showing to have the clear advantage
But if that is t enough to convince then how about the fact bronn has next to no feats compered to sandor
@serpinethegreen: Bronn is significantly smarter as a fighter, more skilled and significantly faster than Sandor. H2H????
IN THE SHOW Bronn states that he's scared to fight The Mountain (which makes no sense considering Bronn's history), in the books Bronn states that he could probably beat The Mountain but that he was being paid by Cersei not to fight.
Sandor is definitely more skilled than Gregor, who is much better on the battle field than in single combat. However Sandor has show to struggle with smaller, quicker and more skilled combatants in single combat; Beric, Polliver, etc. Bronn is more skilled and quicker than either of the other two that were named.
How does Bronn have no feats next to Sandor? Bronn impressed not only Tyrion but Catelyn while killing Mountain Clansmen, he fought on the Blackwater, he fought in the Battle of the Green Fork and hes killed 2 Knights in single combat.
Jaime is a weak link here if we're talking about current Jaimie. Bronn could take either one with a knife throw or just outsmarting them.
I'll just be that guy and say Bronn carries :3
@eisenfauste: definitely not talking about current 1 handed Jaime. If we were then team Clegane would take it.
@cregan_stark: OP didn't specify so I went with current versions.
Wait which version of them are we using?
Well...whatever the case I'll make a small argument first, the majority of Bronns enemies have been far far lower than sandor, who is very capable of shredding whole groups of people, like in the tavern, and when saved sansa
He defeated a skilled fighter with a flaming sword, which we both know sandor is scared of, if this is the series then he when severely weakened state fought a far greater fighter than bronn evenly, and if not for her superior weaponry and his injury he almost certainly would have taken it
Now this may seem like a double edge sword but Sandors armour can take a blow, in fact it's sturdy as hell, like when she tried stabbing him with needle and he just sort of found it funny, like I said it's a double edged sword because of Bronns speed and freedom to move however bronn is a tactical fighter, a clever fighter, which is great in general, but due to sandors greater reach stronger attacks, and greater training I don't see how bronn would think of a way around that
Like I said Bronn has feats
Just sandors are comparably more impressive
@eisenfauste: i dont see a knife throw getting Gregor. he is essentailly a 'stat guy', everything special about him is based around his immense strength, and being able to wear armor that is so heavy no other person could even move in it, let alone fight. its never stated that he is an exceptionally skilled fightter, iirc (though he is faster than expected for his size).
if they can avoid Sandor's body cleaving swings long enough to take out Sandor, team two takes it.
as bronn stated though,"one mistake *snaps fingers* and its over."
i honestly think this is a toss up, either team 5/10 lol.
@serpinethegreen: the OP says either book or TV feats apply
Sandor struggles heavily in fighting with Gregor's men both in the show and in the books. Hell Polliver (IIRC) gave him a good one on one fight in the books. Sandor's opponents have also been well below Bronn's level.
Beric has no feats as a swordsman. In fact all of Beric'a feats involve him getting killed by one character or another. As for the Brienne fight, it never happened in the books and Sandor was injured so I don't count that fight. And hell no she's not a better fighter than Bronn, she's no on his level at all.
Bronn would be able to avoid the majority of Sandor's attacks without having to block many, Sandor is a great fighter but he gets sloppy at times and relies oh strength and aggression too often.
I don't really get how Sandor's feats are more impressive. Even if you go purely by the show, Bronn has some good feats that can match anything Sandor has done.
Don't get me wrong, Sandor is one of the best fighters and Westeros and I do believe he probably takes 6/10 against Bronn. But due to Bronn's style, he could give Sandor hell.
@eisenfauste: if we are going by currently versions the both Clegane brothers are either "dead" or significantly wounded/crippled.........
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