The Great Evil Beast vs. The Living Tribunal

Who win?

LT

That image of LT is pretty dope.

@omgomgwtfwtf The Living Tribunal should be a model, not a judge. Lol.

GEB is said to be as strong as the Presence, who why i doubt is TOAA level, should at least be stronger than LT

GEB wins, He is an aspect of the Presence.

How?

@jackknight: Better feats

Then according to that logic the Living Tribunal has better feats then the Presence!

GEB is pretty much on par with Thanos with HOTU and we all know how that fight with the Living Tribunal ended.

Well the Presence is basically featless so I guess that's true.

But where was all this GEB = Presence stuff actually stated on panel as fact?

What makes you think the Presence is featless?

Also GEB is not = the Presence but he's not far off but still much above the Living Tribunal.

@sheenlantern: "This being is outside of The Presence's creation.^[1] This is no fallen Angel or Leviathan, this is the soul of darkness itself. A complete absence of divine light.^[2] This being is in every way equal to the power of the Presence, but his opposite who existed before Creation.^[3]"

Wikipedia is the first place I looked. But do we trust it?

@jackknight said:

Based on what facts?

The fact that GEB is an aspect of the Presence.

And?

My fingernail is an aspect of me but it's plenty far off.

Being an aspect of the Presence does not = omnipotence, it's already proven that the Presence is not the true supreme being of DC, he said himself that there exist things above him. He can be tricked, he can be manipulated, there are things he doesn't know.

The Presence is not omnipotent.

LT

Yah, Marvel's super ultra mega top tiers are > DC's

Great Evil Beast is darkness itself. GEB does not have any feats that could even be brought to discussion, just a bunch of folk tale about it. LT wins plainly off feats.

Oh god not is whole "The Presence is not omnipotent" again!

And before you ask yes I know that scan where he says that he was shaped by outside forces, but that was only mentioned in the whole history of DC ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even then a creation and become more powerful then his/her creator, HELL! Yog-Sothoth in Lovecraft's work was actually the supreme being in the Cthulhu Mythos not Azathoth!!!!!!!!!!!!

And not knowing everything doesn't mean that your not omnipotent, it just means that your not omniscient.

When was the Presence manipulated? I've heard that John Constantine tricked him but @darkraiden already storted out what actually happened in the "Who can beat John Constantine" thread.

Oh and don't get me started on the Over-Monitor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@jackknight said:

@sheenlantern said:

@jackknight said:

@sheenlantern said:

@jackknight said:

GEB is not = the Presence but he's not far off

Based on what facts?

The fact that GEB is an aspect of the Presence.

And?

My fingernail is an aspect of me but it's plenty far off.

Being an aspect of the Presence does not = omnipotence, it's already proven that the Presence is not the true supreme being of DC, he said himself that there exist things above him. He can be tricked, he can be manipulated, there are things he doesn't know.

The Presence is not omnipotent.

Oh god not is whole "The Presence is not omnipotent" again!

And before you ask yes I know that scan where he says that he was shaped by outside forces, but that was only mentioned in the whole history of DC ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and even then a creation and become more powerful then his/her creator, HELL! Yog-Sothoth in Lovecraft's work was actually the supreme being in the Cthulhu Mythos not Azathoth!!!!!!!!!!!!

And not knowing everything doesn't mean that your not omnipotent, it just means that your not omniscient.

When was the Presence manipulated? I've heard that John Constantine tricked him but @darkraiden already storted out what actually happened in the "Who can beat John Constantine" thread.

Oh and don't get me started on the Over-Monitor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Omniscience comes with Omnipotence... How could you control everything without knowing everything? To be omnipotent, your power must be infinite, you have to have the ability to do everything and have every ability. Omniscience is an ability

"but that was only mentioned in the whole history of DC ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yes, and GEB has appeared how many times? Once? Twice? guess we should ignore him, too. Meaning LT wins by default.

What the hell does H.P. Lovecraft have to do with this?

"already storted out what actually happened in the "Who can beat John Constantine" thread."

So he threatened him? Guess that proves he's not omnipotent, too.

"Oh and don't get me started on the Over-Monitor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

If you think using an overabundance of exclamation marks is going to make you look smart and clever, you're wrong.

Great Evil Beast

@sheenlantern: That's exactly what i think... Why someone Omnipotent would have a counter part that couldn't be affected? TOAA is a Supreme being therefore he is above everybody, not implying he has someone next to him. Which makes me think TOAA>Presence because if Presence can't affect GEB... Then he is not truly omnipotent... Am i right?

No... The One Above All, appeared in a issue where he clearly shows himself as Jack Kirby... Literally... in front of Reed Richards... His only feat its enough to put him above everybody in those terms.

Exposure has nothing to do with character classification...If Thanos comes and bust a planet, but only appears in 1 issue, while Batman appears in 9000 issues beating street levelers.... That doesn't put Batman above Thanos because the feat itself isn't even near to what Thanos did... Got my point?

@enzeru: Fair enough, so you're saying that in quantity of feats, Living Tribunal is above them 2... Am i right?

@enzeru: Fair enough. You may edit your comment to avoid future misinterpretation :P

@hyper_god: What's that from, and what's context of the scan?

new avengers #8, there is no context to it, just that one scan.

GEB. It was basically the dark side of The Presence so it is just as powerful. Lt is outclassed. And before someone comes with that "LT wins by having more and better feats", LT also has more feats than TOAA so...do with that what you will.

The presence has a superior and his name is the Primal Monitor.

BUT, I still consider the Presence slightly more powerful than the Living Tribunal because he created Michael Demiurgos and Lucifer, who are = LT WHEN they are working together.

And the Great Evil Beast stalemated the presence so:

Primal Monitor = The-One-Above-All >>> Classic Molecule Man = The presence = The Great Evil Beast > Living Tribunal

@sheenlantern: Actually you don't have to be omniscient to be omnipotent take for example Azathoth from Lovecraft's work (There is sometimes a discussions if either Azathoth or Yog-Sothoth is the ture TOAA of the Lovecraft verse though it's usually Azathoth).

Going off of statements, GEB. Off of feats, LT (obviously, since LT is physical and GEB is different and is darkness itself).

GEB easily. Is this even a contest?

Mismatch. GEB stomps and no GEB isnt omnipotent

@alternative_backup: stop making one sided battles

You missed out quite a few heavy hitters. (Beyonder, Thanos HOTU, Scathan, Protege)

My intention never was to rank all celestials in Marvel universe, I just wanted to explain why I think that The Great Evil Beast would win.

Only one of the four I listed is a Celestial. I understand what you're saying though.

You are right, my bad, I meant cosmic entities in Marvel Universe and I know that just Scathan is a celestial.

LT wins

Yes GEB stomp. And Spectre with all potential of logoz and fully backed by the Presence *fans spectre bs* can win too